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Quote: Originally posted by Lostson on Jul 5, 2018
Does it seem like forever since you have won anything over say...$10.00? Seriously it's been a year since I have won anything over $10.00 and that was only once in the last year...
"Inquiring minds wanna know Ya KNOW!"
Lostson
If you are a novice to gambling(lottery is gambling, pure and simple !), then you have two options of approach for predictions: You subscript to premise of the game been RANDOM or not.
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Okay, let me clarify a little better what I mean about math being essential for lottery games...Pick3/4 mainly. The reason I stress these games is because, believe it or not, the player does have control over what needs to happen and when. I'll use Texas as the example in all my illustrations here. If a player has been spending say $20/day and hasn't hit anything in just (2) days, this means that the player has $40 floating around waiting to be recuperated BEFORE they can break even and turn a profit. Still with me? This means that on the 3rd day, this particular player must hit at least a $.50 3-way boxed deal for a $40 payout to break even or match two like numbers in any order for the same $.50 play. The focus here, though, is (2) days to recover $40 and you can cut that $20 cost in half to $10 and the the same principle still applies. In this regard, math is essential as it alerts the player to what's at stake with their money and what to do to hopefully get it back. Some could care less while others make it a priority and I'll leave it at that.
It seems that pre-tests have worked their way back into yet another thread which began with something slightly different while relevant. I think it's fair to say that most players use the last official draw(s) as ways to organize their next round of picks which is pretty standard in terms of system fundamentals. Then, as a basic observation, players look to repeating digits as a way of either adding to or removing from their overall picks which is sensible. My personal opinion here is that pre-tests tend to 'digit launder' the next so called official draw result and it's an intended consequence due to their procedures. Anyone that can go to their computer, type in the word random, can see exactly what the definition of random is, okay. There's absolutely no pretext to random, folks...it just 'happens.' With this in mind, let's have a look at the most recent results from Texas' Pick 4 official results versus its' pre-test results. Shall we? Mind you, this example isn't to be accepted as an all the time broad-brushed deal but, it happens more than often enough to validate a good argument.
7/6/2018 Night Official Result - 8237
7/7/2018 Morning Pre-Test #1 - 2538
" " #2 - 2255
" " #3 - 1870
" " #4 - 1735
7/7/2018 Morning Off. Result - 1905
Beginning with the very last draw taking place on 7/6, we can see the laundering at work. You have to start with the last official draw, or last known draw if possible, and factor in everything that happens after that up to the next official draw. Why? Because, it's all stats just like in sports except they label the tests as dummy draws. Dummy or not, it all still occurred and directly affects the chances/odds overall. If we take the average player's approach of looking for repeat digits, we can see how it helps one way while hurting another way. Beginning with the 7/6 night results, we must begin with the very next draw which is the first pre-test draw on 7/7 because it is, in fact, the very next 'clean draw.' In that draw, the player matches (3) of (4) numbers right off the bat with (2), (3), and (8) if playing back the same numbers. The digit (3) returning in its' same position. But, it's a pre-test. In the 2nd pre-test, the player would've possibly matched (2) numbers and maybe (3) but, it's a pre-test. In the third pre-test, the player matched two numbers from the 7/6 night official results with digits (8) and (7). Then, on the last pre-test, the player again matched (2) numbers from the 7/6 night official results with (3) and (7) However, (1) and (7) from pre-test #3 are also present. Finally, we have the 7/7 official morning draw where the player matched absolutely nothing from the last official draw results but, (2) numbers from the very last pre-test are present as (1) and (5).
It's very possible that the player could've played enough numbers to cover the deficit of non-returning digits from the 7/6 night draw but, just look at what the player matched if playing from one clean draw to the next one. Only one time did the player miss which was between pre-tests #2 and #3 when playing on the actual last draw. Similar scenarios can be seen with Pick3 as well. Let me add that I've seen where the same exact pairs of digits have also returned in their same positions during the next official draw results...which is after they've already conducted their five or so pre-tests. In my very honest opinion, the only randomness taking place here is the (4) consecutive pre-tests which I'd be very happy with. I'd become wealthier much faster. I believe that the pre-tests matter.
Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....
There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.
#lotto-4-a-living
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Quote: Originally posted by Lucky Loser on Jul 9, 2018
Okay, let me clarify a little better what I mean about math being essential for lottery games...Pick3/4 mainly. The reason I stress these games is because, believe it or not, the player does have control over what needs to happen and when. I'll use Texas as the example in all my illustrations here. If a player has been spending say $20/day and hasn't hit anything in just (2) days, this means that the player has $40 floating around waiting to be recuperated BEFORE they can break even and turn a profit. Still with me? This means that on the 3rd day, this particular player must hit at least a $.50 3-way boxed deal for a $40 payout to break even or match two like numbers in any order for the same $.50 play. The focus here, though, is (2) days to recover $40 and you can cut that $20 cost in half to $10 and the the same principle still applies. In this regard, math is essential as it alerts the player to what's at stake with their money and what to do to hopefully get it back. Some could care less while others make it a priority and I'll leave it at that.
It seems that pre-tests have worked their way back into yet another thread which began with something slightly different while relevant. I think it's fair to say that most players use the last official draw(s) as ways to organize their next round of picks which is pretty standard in terms of system fundamentals. Then, as a basic observation, players look to repeating digits as a way of either adding to or removing from their overall picks which is sensible. My personal opinion here is that pre-tests tend to 'digit launder' the next so called official draw result and it's an intended consequence due to their procedures. Anyone that can go to their computer, type in the word random, can see exactly what the definition of random is, okay. There's absolutely no pretext to random, folks...it just 'happens.' With this in mind, let's have a look at the most recent results from Texas' Pick 4 official results versus its' pre-test results. Shall we? Mind you, this example isn't to be accepted as an all the time broad-brushed deal but, it happens more than often enough to validate a good argument.
7/6/2018 Night Official Result - 8237
7/7/2018 Morning Pre-Test #1 - 2538
" " #2 - 2255
" " #3 - 1870
" " #4 - 1735
7/7/2018 Morning Off. Result - 1905
Beginning with the very last draw taking place on 7/6, we can see the laundering at work. You have to start with the last official draw, or last known draw if possible, and factor in everything that happens after that up to the next official draw. Why? Because, it's all stats just like in sports except they label the tests as dummy draws. Dummy or not, it all still occurred and directly affects the chances/odds overall. If we take the average player's approach of looking for repeat digits, we can see how it helps one way while hurting another way. Beginning with the 7/6 night results, we must begin with the very next draw which is the first pre-test draw on 7/7 because it is, in fact, the very next 'clean draw.' In that draw, the player matches (3) of (4) numbers right off the bat with (2), (3), and (8) if playing back the same numbers. The digit (3) returning in its' same position. But, it's a pre-test. In the 2nd pre-test, the player would've possibly matched (2) numbers and maybe (3) but, it's a pre-test. In the third pre-test, the player matched two numbers from the 7/6 night official results with digits (8) and (7). Then, on the last pre-test, the player again matched (2) numbers from the 7/6 night official results with (3) and (7) However, (1) and (7) from pre-test #3 are also present. Finally, we have the 7/7 official morning draw where the player matched absolutely nothing from the last official draw results but, (2) numbers from the very last pre-test are present as (1) and (5).
It's very possible that the player could've played enough numbers to cover the deficit of non-returning digits from the 7/6 night draw but, just look at what the player matched if playing from one clean draw to the next one. Only one time did the player miss which was between pre-tests #2 and #3 when playing on the actual last draw. Similar scenarios can be seen with Pick3 as well. Let me add that I've seen where the same exact pairs of digits have also returned in their same positions during the next official draw results...which is after they've already conducted their five or so pre-tests. In my very honest opinion, the only randomness taking place here is the (4) consecutive pre-tests which I'd be very happy with. I'd become wealthier much faster. I believe that the pre-tests matter.
Some say the game is Ran-Dumb say it is not.
after seeing this is it just plain old Manipulated/coercion radnumb?
Hah what, back to
Strategies Timing Luck
It's all Guess-Work
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Quote: Originally posted by Lucky Loser on Jul 9, 2018
Okay, let me clarify a little better what I mean about math being essential for lottery games...Pick3/4 mainly. The reason I stress these games is because, believe it or not, the player does have control over what needs to happen and when. I'll use Texas as the example in all my illustrations here. If a player has been spending say $20/day and hasn't hit anything in just (2) days, this means that the player has $40 floating around waiting to be recuperated BEFORE they can break even and turn a profit. Still with me? This means that on the 3rd day, this particular player must hit at least a $.50 3-way boxed deal for a $40 payout to break even or match two like numbers in any order for the same $.50 play. The focus here, though, is (2) days to recover $40 and you can cut that $20 cost in half to $10 and the the same principle still applies. In this regard, math is essential as it alerts the player to what's at stake with their money and what to do to hopefully get it back. Some could care less while others make it a priority and I'll leave it at that.
It seems that pre-tests have worked their way back into yet another thread which began with something slightly different while relevant. I think it's fair to say that most players use the last official draw(s) as ways to organize their next round of picks which is pretty standard in terms of system fundamentals. Then, as a basic observation, players look to repeating digits as a way of either adding to or removing from their overall picks which is sensible. My personal opinion here is that pre-tests tend to 'digit launder' the next so called official draw result and it's an intended consequence due to their procedures. Anyone that can go to their computer, type in the word random, can see exactly what the definition of random is, okay. There's absolutely no pretext to random, folks...it just 'happens.' With this in mind, let's have a look at the most recent results from Texas' Pick 4 official results versus its' pre-test results. Shall we? Mind you, this example isn't to be accepted as an all the time broad-brushed deal but, it happens more than often enough to validate a good argument.
7/6/2018 Night Official Result - 8237
7/7/2018 Morning Pre-Test #1 - 2538
" " #2 - 2255
" " #3 - 1870
" " #4 - 1735
7/7/2018 Morning Off. Result - 1905
Beginning with the very last draw taking place on 7/6, we can see the laundering at work. You have to start with the last official draw, or last known draw if possible, and factor in everything that happens after that up to the next official draw. Why? Because, it's all stats just like in sports except they label the tests as dummy draws. Dummy or not, it all still occurred and directly affects the chances/odds overall. If we take the average player's approach of looking for repeat digits, we can see how it helps one way while hurting another way. Beginning with the 7/6 night results, we must begin with the very next draw which is the first pre-test draw on 7/7 because it is, in fact, the very next 'clean draw.' In that draw, the player matches (3) of (4) numbers right off the bat with (2), (3), and (8) if playing back the same numbers. The digit (3) returning in its' same position. But, it's a pre-test. In the 2nd pre-test, the player would've possibly matched (2) numbers and maybe (3) but, it's a pre-test. In the third pre-test, the player matched two numbers from the 7/6 night official results with digits (8) and (7). Then, on the last pre-test, the player again matched (2) numbers from the 7/6 night official results with (3) and (7) However, (1) and (7) from pre-test #3 are also present. Finally, we have the 7/7 official morning draw where the player matched absolutely nothing from the last official draw results but, (2) numbers from the very last pre-test are present as (1) and (5).
It's very possible that the player could've played enough numbers to cover the deficit of non-returning digits from the 7/6 night draw but, just look at what the player matched if playing from one clean draw to the next one. Only one time did the player miss which was between pre-tests #2 and #3 when playing on the actual last draw. Similar scenarios can be seen with Pick3 as well. Let me add that I've seen where the same exact pairs of digits have also returned in their same positions during the next official draw results...which is after they've already conducted their five or so pre-tests. In my very honest opinion, the only randomness taking place here is the (4) consecutive pre-tests which I'd be very happy with. I'd become wealthier much faster. I believe that the pre-tests matter.
Any time you look at past results, you are going to find a pattern of some type. The larger the matrix, the more past drawings you'll need to look at it, but given a finite numbers of numbers from which to choose (which would be any lottery draw game, of course), you will ALWAYS find a pattern. Guaranteed!
The problem is that these patterns are also random.
FIRST decide on a pattern (e.g. 2nd digit drawn shows up again as the 4th digit in the next drawing). THEN test it. Doing is backwards is no good.
Do a sufficiently large number of tests of consecutive drawings. Let's do 100 (101 drawings total; test 1 is drawings 1 & 2, test 2 is drawings 2 & 3, ... test 100 is drawings 100 & 101). With just one digit, that's enough to be able to use the Law of Large Numbers to get a good estimate how many times it "works".
Here is an example:
drawing digit 1 digit 2 digit 3 digit 4 test successful 1 1 5 0 0 2 3 8 2 3 0 3 4 3 1 7 0 4 9 4 7 7 0 5 0 0 1 1 0 6 8 3 2 2 0 7 7 0 2 8 0 8 1 0 7 1 0 9 0 2 2 0 1 10 8 9 7 6 0 11 0 8 7 4 0 12 4 2 7 7 0 13 8 2 0 2 1 14 2 1 8 7 0 15 9 6 0 1 1 16 1 4 0 8 0 17 6 0 7 6 0 18 3 2 4 6 0 19 9 4 1 5 0 20 2 8 9 1 0 21 1 2 7 7 0 22 2 7 3 0 0 23 7 3 1 1 0 24 4 0 9 1 0 25 2 3 7 4 0 26 9 0 4 2 0 27 8 0 4 2 0 28 1 8 4 7 0 29 0 3 9 0 0 30 0 0 4 8 0 31 2 7 7 8 0 32 8 3 7 8 0 33 3 6 5 7 0 34 1 6 9 4 0 35 8 3 4 0 0 36 0 1 8 0 0 37 1 6 0 5 0 38 3 5 7 6 1 39 9 4 8 9 0 40 2 4 4 1 0 41 3 9 4 5 0 42 1 6 7 0 0 43 2 6 1 6 1 44 6 3 2 3 0 45 5 0 6 2 0 46 1 8 7 9 0 47 2 9 8 5 0 48 1 6 4 0 0 49 6 2 7 8 0 50 9 3 0 9 0 51 8 6 1 7 0 52 8 1 3 4 0 53 6 8 3 7 0 54 0 0 2 1 0 55 0 5 5 0 1 56 7 8 1 4 0 57 7 4 5 0 0 58 7 3 5 4 1 59 3 2 8 8 0 60 8 1 2 6 0 61 5 3 2 4 0 62 4 9 5 2 0 63 3 9 4 9 1 64 0 4 1 5 0 65 9 2 0 1 0 66 8 4 2 1 0 67 3 9 5 5 0 68 6 0 5 5 0 69 6 0 7 8 0 70 7 5 0 5 0 71 4 6 6 6 0 72 4 5 5 7 0 73 7 7 3 1 0 74 8 7 4 7 1 75 7 5 0 9 0 76 8 1 1 8 0 77 4 0 8 0 0 78 0 6 6 9 0 79 0 2 9 3 0 80 1 4 8 1 0 81 7 1 1 2 0 82 2 6 4 6 0 83 7 2 1 9 0 84 4 8 4 7 0 85 3 5 0 8 1 86 0 3 6 3 0 87 7 1 3 1 0 88 9 7 1 1 1 89 3 9 0 1 0 90 0 8 3 3 0 91 4 3 3 8 1 92 1 4 7 6 0 93 9 2 7 3 0 94 5 3 9 3 0 95 2 3 1 2 0 96 2 1 9 1 0 97 2 6 7 0 0 98 0 3 2 3 0 99 7 4 6 5 0 100 4 6 7 0 0 101 5 7 9 5 0 The expected value is 10 (a 1 in 10 chance times 100 = 10). The actual total is 12.
So, in this particular case, we bet 50c on the 4th digit of drawings 2-101, total 100 drawings (the first one is not bet on) and total of $50 wagered. With a prize of $2.50 to win a single digit bet at the 50c rate, the total win is $30. That is a loss of $20. The loss is less than average ($25), but it's still a loss. It is difficult to overcome the high house edge in this game (50%), and the more drawings you do, the less likely it is you will be ahead. That is what the Law of Large Numbers does to you. The more drawings you do, the closer your results will be to the expected value.
Summary:
If you look at past drawings and "discover" a pattern, you are just wasting your time. Decide on a pattern FIRST then test it, and with a sufficiently large sample size, you will see the Law of Large Numbers in action.
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Quote: Originally posted by Tucker Black on Jul 9, 2018
Any time you look at past results, you are going to find a pattern of some type. The larger the matrix, the more past drawings you'll need to look at it, but given a finite numbers of numbers from which to choose (which would be any lottery draw game, of course), you will ALWAYS find a pattern. Guaranteed!
The problem is that these patterns are also random.
FIRST decide on a pattern (e.g. 2nd digit drawn shows up again as the 4th digit in the next drawing). THEN test it. Doing is backwards is no good.
Do a sufficiently large number of tests of consecutive drawings. Let's do 100 (101 drawings total; test 1 is drawings 1 & 2, test 2 is drawings 2 & 3, ... test 100 is drawings 100 & 101). With just one digit, that's enough to be able to use the Law of Large Numbers to get a good estimate how many times it "works".
Here is an example:
drawing digit 1 digit 2 digit 3 digit 4 test successful 1 1 5 0 0 2 3 8 2 3 0 3 4 3 1 7 0 4 9 4 7 7 0 5 0 0 1 1 0 6 8 3 2 2 0 7 7 0 2 8 0 8 1 0 7 1 0 9 0 2 2 0 1 10 8 9 7 6 0 11 0 8 7 4 0 12 4 2 7 7 0 13 8 2 0 2 1 14 2 1 8 7 0 15 9 6 0 1 1 16 1 4 0 8 0 17 6 0 7 6 0 18 3 2 4 6 0 19 9 4 1 5 0 20 2 8 9 1 0 21 1 2 7 7 0 22 2 7 3 0 0 23 7 3 1 1 0 24 4 0 9 1 0 25 2 3 7 4 0 26 9 0 4 2 0 27 8 0 4 2 0 28 1 8 4 7 0 29 0 3 9 0 0 30 0 0 4 8 0 31 2 7 7 8 0 32 8 3 7 8 0 33 3 6 5 7 0 34 1 6 9 4 0 35 8 3 4 0 0 36 0 1 8 0 0 37 1 6 0 5 0 38 3 5 7 6 1 39 9 4 8 9 0 40 2 4 4 1 0 41 3 9 4 5 0 42 1 6 7 0 0 43 2 6 1 6 1 44 6 3 2 3 0 45 5 0 6 2 0 46 1 8 7 9 0 47 2 9 8 5 0 48 1 6 4 0 0 49 6 2 7 8 0 50 9 3 0 9 0 51 8 6 1 7 0 52 8 1 3 4 0 53 6 8 3 7 0 54 0 0 2 1 0 55 0 5 5 0 1 56 7 8 1 4 0 57 7 4 5 0 0 58 7 3 5 4 1 59 3 2 8 8 0 60 8 1 2 6 0 61 5 3 2 4 0 62 4 9 5 2 0 63 3 9 4 9 1 64 0 4 1 5 0 65 9 2 0 1 0 66 8 4 2 1 0 67 3 9 5 5 0 68 6 0 5 5 0 69 6 0 7 8 0 70 7 5 0 5 0 71 4 6 6 6 0 72 4 5 5 7 0 73 7 7 3 1 0 74 8 7 4 7 1 75 7 5 0 9 0 76 8 1 1 8 0 77 4 0 8 0 0 78 0 6 6 9 0 79 0 2 9 3 0 80 1 4 8 1 0 81 7 1 1 2 0 82 2 6 4 6 0 83 7 2 1 9 0 84 4 8 4 7 0 85 3 5 0 8 1 86 0 3 6 3 0 87 7 1 3 1 0 88 9 7 1 1 1 89 3 9 0 1 0 90 0 8 3 3 0 91 4 3 3 8 1 92 1 4 7 6 0 93 9 2 7 3 0 94 5 3 9 3 0 95 2 3 1 2 0 96 2 1 9 1 0 97 2 6 7 0 0 98 0 3 2 3 0 99 7 4 6 5 0 100 4 6 7 0 0 101 5 7 9 5 0 The expected value is 10 (a 1 in 10 chance times 100 = 10). The actual total is 12.
So, in this particular case, we bet 50c on the 4th digit of drawings 2-101, total 100 drawings (the first one is not bet on) and total of $50 wagered. With a prize of $2.50 to win a single digit bet at the 50c rate, the total win is $30. That is a loss of $20. The loss is less than average ($25), but it's still a loss. It is difficult to overcome the high house edge in this game (50%), and the more drawings you do, the less likely it is you will be ahead. That is what the Law of Large Numbers does to you. The more drawings you do, the closer your results will be to the expected value.
Summary:
If you look at past drawings and "discover" a pattern, you are just wasting your time. Decide on a pattern FIRST then test it, and with a sufficiently large sample size, you will see the Law of Large Numbers in action.
Outside of the chart you provided, I do get your overall point(s) and they're well taken while being consistent with my own understanding. Still, though, these patterns and digits are directly affected by the madness of pre-testing. In my last post, I covered how the same pairs will return in their same positions from one official draw to the next with the pre-tests factored in. Well, lo and behold, I called it exactly the way I've been studying it...and it showed its' face between Texas' Morning Official Result and the Day Official Result.
7/09/2018 Morning - 9074
7/09/2018 Day - 5070
For reference's sake, here are the pre-tests conducted between the two so-called official draws:
2438
8116
4738
1640
Sure, I'm well aware that this particular pair of digits is still in the mix and can be drawn BUT, I've yet to see this happen from one clean draw to the very next. I wonder how many players actually considered or even played these digits back in the same form...if at all. This is the reason I enjoy studying the behavior of numbers in these games relative to the lottery draw procedures. Be back later.
Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....
There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.
#lotto-4-a-living
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Quote: Originally posted by Lucky Loser on Jul 9, 2018
Outside of the chart you provided, I do get your overall point(s) and they're well taken while being consistent with my own understanding. Still, though, these patterns and digits are directly affected by the madness of pre-testing. In my last post, I covered how the same pairs will return in their same positions from one official draw to the next with the pre-tests factored in. Well, lo and behold, I called it exactly the way I've been studying it...and it showed its' face between Texas' Morning Official Result and the Day Official Result.
7/09/2018 Morning - 9074
7/09/2018 Day - 5070
For reference's sake, here are the pre-tests conducted between the two so-called official draws:
2438
8116
4738
1640
Sure, I'm well aware that this particular pair of digits is still in the mix and can be drawn BUT, I've yet to see this happen from one clean draw to the very next. I wonder how many players actually considered or even played these digits back in the same form...if at all. This is the reason I enjoy studying the behavior of numbers in these games relative to the lottery draw procedures. Be back later.
You are not doing enough trials to make any useful conclusions. With two digits, you need to do 1,000 trials. A good rule of thumb is 10 times the number of possibilities (so, two digits is 100 possibilities, times 10 is 1,000 trials, and you can always do more to get better quality results).
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OnlineQuote: Originally posted by Lostson on Jul 5, 2018
Does it seem like forever since you have won anything over say...$10.00? Seriously it's been a year since I have won anything over $10.00 and that was only once in the last year...
"Inquiring minds wanna know Ya KNOW!"
Lostson
I have a cartoon character who regularly plays the lottery but is fated never to win anything. I am sure that this is not your fate.
Today's winning 3-ball is going to be a number between 000 and 999.
In a lot of states, lotteries benefit education. That makes the REAL winners the only people who can't play!