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Speler

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Mar 29, 2022, 11:53 am

I played both in the past, and not both the same time. I won on both, but that's not true for everyone.

We now have 6+Reserve / 45 for 1.25 euro / 1 combination.
We have 20 / 70 Keno, pick 10 for the highest jackpot of keno, 1 euro / 1 combination, sold by two combinations.

20/70 is daily and cheaper to play.
6+1/45 is drawn twice a week and more expensive.

Chances and costs versus payouts, I'd go for keno because of the costs in the first place.

Other ideas? Did you compare payouts, chances, balance and other?

Last 5/6 paid less than 300 euros for 1.25 euro / play and 6+ / 45;
while I had, many years ago, 5/6 and >1600 euros 6+/42 for 50 eurocents / 1 combination.
That made me think and years ago I calculated chances, costs and payouts. I could play and win, but quit for a long time for the raise of the combination cost. Pick 3 and keno stayed unchanged. Euromillions became more expensive, stars were added and payouts went worse for the player.

Blabla and snip! Making chicon au gratin with mashed potatoes. Eat first, think later. Drink water before thinking to beer or dirty water called coffee from Starbucks etc! Mind your health and budget!
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Mar 29, 2022, 12:00 pm

Forgot to mention that I used VBA Excel and all was in an older xl file or xlt. This and that stopped working, warnings came, upgrade windows 10 and snip. The file was deleted by windblows and I had a backup. Later it worked again after pasting in a new version. I had to wait years until this was possible. I could use my code for years. I even had my data on a hosting server and could load it with VBA. Blabla and snips through fans!

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Mar 29, 2022, 3:15 pm

After my paêlla.

a=round2((combin(20,8)*combin(50,2)/combin(70,10))^-1,2)
=2570.77
b=round2((combin(6,4)*combin(1,1)*combin(45-6-1,1)/combin(45,6))^-1,2)
=14289.58

a pays 200 for -1

b pays 140 for -1.25

Correct calculation?
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Mar 29, 2022, 3:18 pm

That Gran Selecion 2020, Vinas del Rey is fine enough for me. The Vacqeyras was strong. Will try to drink more water and soup next.
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Mar 29, 2022, 3:40 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Speler on Mar 29, 2022
After my paêlla.

a=round2((combin(20,8)*combin(50,2)/combin(70,10))^-1,2)
=2570.77
b=round2((combin(6,4)*combin(1,1)*combin(45-6-1,1)/combin(45,6))^-1,2)
=14289.58

a pays 200 for -1

b pays 140 for -1.25

Correct calculation?

Some donkeys here on lp pretended that 20 / 80 is better.

a=round2((combin(20,8)*combin(60,2)/combin(80,10))^-1,2)
=7384.47

a=round2((combin(20,8)*combin(50,2)/combin(70,10))^-1,2)
=2570.77

I think that donkeys belong in stables.
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Mar 29, 2022, 3:44 pm

Meanwhile the ads turned into racist ads again. Full of blacks.
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Mar 30, 2022, 11:59 am

One of those ads. You can click away and get more of that. No hazard.
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Mar 30, 2022, 12:00 pm

Another:
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Mar 30, 2022, 12:55 pm

hello speler a question for keno 70/20 is how to filter polyndromic pairs or capicuas in 70/20 we have 22 pairs
ex = 01 10 23 32 56 65.... 22 doubles and we have 6 twin pairs = 11,22,33,44,55,66,
how would you create a filter or if you play 23 or 32 numca both together??
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Mar 30, 2022, 4:24 pm

Simple, you go play roulette and announce final schnaps. The other is l'inverse.
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Mar 30, 2022, 4:27 pm

Quote: Originally posted by dr san on Mar 30, 2022
hello speler a question for keno 70/20 is how to filter polyndromic pairs or capicuas in 70/20 we have 22 pairs
ex = 01 10 23 32 56 65.... 22 doubles and we have 6 twin pairs = 11,22,33,44,55,66,
how would you create a filter or if you play 23 or 32 numca both together??

01 is cheval 01.
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Mar 30, 2022, 4:28 pm

Try the grande série.
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Mar 31, 2022, 11:42 am

Quote: Originally posted by Speler on Mar 29, 2022
I played both in the past, and not both the same time. I won on both, but that's not true for everyone.

We now have 6+Reserve / 45 for 1.25 euro / 1 combination.
We have 20 / 70 Keno, pick 10 for the highest jackpot of keno, 1 euro / 1 combination, sold by two combinations.

20/70 is daily and cheaper to play.
6+1/45 is drawn twice a week and more expensive.

Chances and costs versus payouts, I'd go for keno because of the costs in the first place.

Other ideas? Did you compare payouts, chances, balance and other?

Last 5/6 paid less than 300 euros for 1.25 euro / play and 6+ / 45;
while I had, many years ago, 5/6 and >1600 euros 6+/42 for 50 eurocents / 1 combination.
That made me think and years ago I calculated chances, costs and payouts. I could play and win, but quit for a long time for the raise of the combination cost. Pick 3 and keno stayed unchanged. Euromillions became more expensive, stars were added and payouts went worse for the player.

Blabla and snip! Making chicon au gratin with mashed potatoes. Eat first, think later. Drink water before thinking to beer or dirty water called coffee from Starbucks etc! Mind your health and budget!

The simplest mathematical way to compare two or more lottery games is to compute the expected value of the prize and divide that amount by the cost of the ticket for each game you are comparing.

Here's a simple made up example. Game A costs $3 and has two prize levels: Top prize of $250 with chance 1/1000, and lesser prize of $15 with chance 1/12. The expected value of Game A is

((250 x 1/1000) + (15 x 1/12)) ÷ 3 = 0.5

Game B costs $1 per play and has three prize levels: Top prize of $100 with chance 1/500, second prize of $20 with chance 1/100, bottom prize of $5 with chance 1/40. The expected value of Game B is

(100 x 1/500) + (20 x 1/100) + (5 x 1/40)) ÷ 1 = 0.525

In this example Game B is better because on average it pays back a bigger percentage of your original bet.
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Mar 31, 2022, 12:49 pm

Quote: Originally posted by cottoneyedjoe on Mar 31, 2022
The simplest mathematical way to compare two or more lottery games is to compute the expected value of the prize and divide that amount by the cost of the ticket for each game you are comparing.

Here's a simple made up example. Game A costs $3 and has two prize levels: Top prize of $250 with chance 1/1000, and lesser prize of $15 with chance 1/12. The expected value of Game A is

((250 x 1/1000) + (15 x 1/12)) ÷ 3 = 0.5

Game B costs $1 per play and has three prize levels: Top prize of $100 with chance 1/500, second prize of $20 with chance 1/100, bottom prize of $5 with chance 1/40. The expected value of Game B is

(100 x 1/500) + (20 x 1/100) + (5 x 1/40)) ÷ 1 = 0.525

In this example Game B is better because on average it pays back a bigger percentage of your original bet.

Most likely to lest likely. There are two ends at keno and All Or Nothing (TX ...).

You get an expected value or cash value:
p(i)*(payout(i)-cost)
where i = score()

You can add columns "count *" cost or payout, do sums and ratios.

You want to compare similar payouts at the high ends, like 2nd and 3rd price depending of the game. I compared payouts of 100 to 200. The 4+R seems unreachable, the 8/10 seems reachable, both are unlikely to get. I hd 8/10 with keno but couldn't find any local who had more than 7/10.
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Mar 31, 2022, 1:09 pm

Howbout you take the 0.5 million jackpot shared by 2 or more and divide it by 1.25 than divide it by the over 8 million combinations?

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