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• demdev1

  

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  Seems like something fishy is going on with MO Lottery Pick 4.  Over the last severaL moths there have been almost no double/double (2424) combinations drawn. Additionally we've seen an increase in repeat number combinations (same numbers drawn in different order).  The most alarming thing was 2/3 eveing draw came in 4693.  This combo came the exactly same order the next day 2/4 (mid-day) 4693.  Also the ability to check prior years numbers has been reduced to on a 180 day search.  The only way to see addition history is to download a massive file that only allows a 1--2--3--4 search format.  This makes it VERY hard to check for number combinations that have not been drawn.  How do you request an investigation of their systems?  Has anyone else seen this happen or is my lottery club being paranoid?
• cottoneyedjoe

  

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  Quote: Originally posted by demdev1 on Feb 5, 2023

  Seems like something fishy is going on with MO Lottery Pick 4.  Over the last severaL moths there have been almost no double/double (2424) combinations drawn. Additionally we've seen an increase in repeat number combinations (same numbers drawn in different order).  The most alarming thing was 2/3 eveing draw came in 4693.  This combo came the exactly same order the next day 2/4 (mid-day) 4693.  Also the ability to check prior years numbers has been reduced to on a 180 day search.  The only way to see addition history is to download a massive file that only allows a 1--2--3--4 search format.  This makes it VERY hard to check for number combinations that have not been drawn.  How do you request an investigation of their systems?  Has anyone else seen this happen or is my lottery club being paranoid?

  Out of all the 10000 possible Pick 4 combinations, only 270 are double-doubles, that's 2.7%. Missouri does two daily drawings, so in a typical month there are 60 drawings. 2.7% of 60 is 1.62. That is the expected number of double-doubles to occur in a month. Nothing out of the ordinary for there to be 0 within a month. On Dec 2, 2022 the double-double '3003' was drawn, and that was just a little more than two months ago. I don't think you need to worry about any double-double sconspiracy.

  As far as the back-to-back repeat with all the digits in the same order, the chances of that happening are 1/10000.

  If you really feel the games are rigged, the best strategy is to not play them.

  Best of luck to you.
• Todd

  

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  Sorry, I moved this topic to the Pick 4 forum, but then moved it back to the general discussion forum.  It's more of a "rigged game" topic, and not just a Pick 4 topic.  You put it in the right place to start with.

   

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• demdev1

  

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  This is very helpful.  Thanks for the response.  We are just used to seeing way more double/doubles in the month and never an exact repeat.  I still find it hard to believe they are not somehow tracking the numbers of plays and managing the draws to minimize payouts.  Something like slot machines and how they are set to which machines will hit and the average payout per per day.  As far as playing we don't play very often but provide hit data.  Thanks again for your quick response.
• grwurston

  

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  Same #'s. Different games.

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  Are you sure about the Dbl-Dbls? I just looked on the combinations analysis for MO.  and there were 17 of them in 2022.

  
• MzDuffleBaglady

  

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  Yes, Missouri is notorious for this type of play!

  Reason I am taking a break.

  Each draw has a chance at the same set of numbers!

  Midday and Evening.

   

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  Games:Pick 3Pick 4

  February 2023

  Drawing Date	Pick 4
  	Midday	Evening
  Sun, Feb 5, 2023	4-6-9-3
  Sat, Feb 4, 2023	1-5-7-9	4-6-9-3
  Fri, Feb 3, 2023	5-2-2-1	5-9-1-4
  Thu, Feb 2, 2023	5-6-3-2	3-6-5-1
  Wed, Feb 1, 2023	3-4-6-8	9-7-5-1
  Tue, Jan 31, 2023	9-3-9-0	6-2-2-8
  Mon, Jan 30, 2023	9-6-4-5	6-2-0-1
  Sun, Jan 29, 2023	3-7-9-5	2-1-4-5
  Sat, Jan 28, 2023	1-9-7-4	7-9-7-6
  Fri, Jan 27, 2023	8-4-3-1	9-0-1-6
  Thu, Jan 26, 2023	2-1-6-5	1-7-2-8
  Wed, Jan 25, 2023	9-3-2-7	9-4-1-5
  Tue, Jan 24, 2023	8-7-9-8	7-2-0-1
  Mon, Jan 23, 2023	7-9-7-7	9-1-2-9
  Sun, Jan 22, 2023	8-5-5-1	3-4-1-5
  Sat, Jan 21, 2023	7-7-8-7	3-0-7-1
  Fri, Jan 20, 2023	7-6-9-6	1-0-5-1
  Thu, Jan 19, 2023	8-4-5-6	7-4-7-9
  Wed, Jan 18, 2023	2-4-2-8	5-6-0-0
  Tue, Jan 17, 2023	3-7-6-3	8-7-2-1
  Mon, Jan 16, 2023	4-1-4-8	7-4-2-9
  Sun, Jan 15, 2023	7-6-6-9	4-8-6-0
  Sat, Jan 14, 2023	7-5-4-5	6-8-4-3
  Fri, Jan 13, 2023	0-1-8-4	4-4-5-1
  Thu, Jan 12, 2023	1-2-0-4	7-1-2-1
  Wed, Jan 11, 2023	4-7-1-0	5-7-7-1
  Tue, Jan 10, 2023	4-4-3-6	6-0-3-9
  Mon, Jan 9, 2023	8-2-1-1	7-0-4-1
  Sun, Jan 8, 2023	4-4-9-6	0-9-5-9
  Sat, Jan 7, 2023	7-9-8-9	1-8-1-6
  Fri, Jan 6, 2023	9-7-8-4	9-9-7-5
  Thu, Jan 5, 2023	6-1-8-5	2-4-4-5
  Wed, Jan 4, 2023	1-0-7-7	6-3-9-5
  Tue, Jan 3, 2023	5-9-2-7	0-3-0-2
  Mon, Jan 2, 2023	1-7-1-5	5-3-5-5
  Sun, Jan 1, 2023	5-2-1-4	5-2-6-2
• grwurston

  

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  It happens. 

  Sat, Nov 19, 2016	Maryland	Pick 4 Evening	7-4-5-6
  Tue, Nov 15, 2016	Maryland	Pick 4 Evening	7-5-4-6
  Mon, Nov 14, 2016	Maryland	Pick 4 Evening	5-7-4-6
  Wed, Nov 9, 2016	Maryland	Pick 4 Evening	6-4-7-5

  
• Oscargrouch05$

  

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  Anyone know how many numbers besides 4000.  Single digits and Dbl-Dbls. Wonder if we used Front Pair/Back Pair chart for each month.          Slot machines and how they are set Tip: Find the missing bingo card that the winning card.
• MzDuffleBaglady

  

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  Quote: Originally posted by grwurston on Feb 5, 2023

  It happens. 

  Sat, Nov 19, 2016	Maryland	Pick 4 Evening	7-4-5-6
  Tue, Nov 15, 2016	Maryland	Pick 4 Evening	7-5-4-6
  Mon, Nov 14, 2016	Maryland	Pick 4 Evening	5-7-4-6
  Wed, Nov 9, 2016	Maryland	Pick 4 Evening	6-4-7-5

  That is brutal!