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Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Feb 22, 2024
I had this cute little jumping spider, and I usually kill them on sight, but this one was a cutie pie. He jumped right into a hot cup of coffee and died, ahhhh I felt bad. I was on Lottery Post at the time, so I guess this counts as lottery related.

that means the lame jokes i post on lp are also lottery related.
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Quote: Originally posted by Brock Lee on Feb 22, 2024
that means the lame jokes i post on lp are also lottery related.

Yes I do believe you are correct. Just hide from the forum police and for the love of all that is Holy,never jump in hot coffee.
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Quote: Originally posted by thamizhpayan on Feb 22, 2024
Hi Gary

Already they are weighing the "balls" and making sure they are not off or only off by a negligible degree...

In that way we don't need bias for balls themselves. One less bias factor or weight factor...

Texas had the allowable +/- amount not on their website at one time.

Players wouldn't have that information nor would they need it. You weight and being as your horses with frequency, hot and cold and/or whatever other data you want to use. Gail Howard's software has a smart pick, or smart play function built in for people who don't want to do analysis. So we're talking something similar.

It's not a new idea. People have mentioned it before but as far as I know, no one here has produced a working model, or if they did, I haven't heard or seen it.

A simulator could use as little or as much data as you choose. A good simulator, one that mimics the game you play, would require IMO quite a bit of data with AI.

It would require periodic updates too.

The GH software shows it can be done. It's all down to what data to use, how much to use and deriving the necessary statistics.

Same thing with the ants really. You have to give each ant an identity that corresponds to the actions a digit or number or set, or pattern.

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Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Feb 22, 2024
Texas had the allowable +/- amount not on their website at one time.

Players wouldn't have that information nor would they need it. You weight and being as your horses with frequency, hot and cold and/or whatever other data you want to use. Gail Howard's software has a smart pick, or smart play function built in for people who don't want to do analysis. So we're talking something similar.

It's not a new idea. People have mentioned it before but as far as I know, no one here has produced a working model, or if they did, I haven't heard or seen it.

A simulator could use as little or as much data as you choose. A good simulator, one that mimics the game you play, would require IMO quite a bit of data with AI.

It would require periodic updates too.

The GH software shows it can be done. It's all down to what data to use, how much to use and deriving the necessary statistics.

Same thing with the ants really. You have to give each ant an identity that corresponds to the actions a digit or number or set, or pattern.

G

Agreed

GH books and softwares help choose numbers. I find mix matching RL's softwares and filtering out numbers helps more.

All over forums lot of ideas are scattered. Many tools or softwares for lottery provide chart, data and let users choose numbers and wheel +filter.

The thing with softwares or ideas from books or tools, one has to spend time and learn.

Good Luck
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Quote: Originally posted by thamizhpayan on Feb 22, 2024
Agreed

GH books and softwares help choose numbers. I find mix matching RL's softwares and filtering out numbers helps more.

All over forums lot of ideas are scattered. Many tools or softwares for lottery provide chart, data and let users choose numbers and wheel +filter.

The thing with softwares or ideas from books or tools, one has to spend time and learn.

Good Luck

Had to look at the manual. In GH software it's chart W....Smart Picks.

The software will pick an amount of number, then after the draw, check to see if and how many were right.

I don't have the software on the laptop. And still have the laser connected to the desktop. So I'm speaking from the manual.

Got rid of RLs programs years ago. Haven't seen them since. No hard feelings, just don't have any need for them. He wrote some good programs. (I get tired of being messaged about a copy).

Like I said you have to give the ants, earthworms, crickets, horses, or whatever an identity and allow the AI to take over.

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Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Feb 22, 2024
Had to look at the manual. In GH software it's chart W....Smart Picks.

The software will pick an amount of number, then after the draw, check to see if and how many were right.

I don't have the software on the laptop. And still have the laser connected to the desktop. So I'm speaking from the manual.

Got rid of RLs programs years ago. Haven't seen them since. No hard feelings, just don't have any need for them. He wrote some good programs. (I get tired of being messaged about a copy).

Like I said you have to give the ants, earthworms, crickets, horses, or whatever an identity and allow the AI to take over.

G

I read the book and manuals.

Along with AI one could write own rule based prediction.

If one has analyzed data and has something that they derived from the data they could write rules and project upcoming drawing play data.

I have collected RL programs and make use of the programs. The UI layout and consistency across applications makes it a breeze usability wise.

When I am off from my desktop, I will bet on using RL's programs to provide my picks.

I play and track very few games. I have scripts and programs to pull official data from state website.

I am writing some UI apart from the backend code that I missed to write for a long time. I moved to Java Swing based apps from HTML/JS to make use of more computing power and multithreading.

A tool is complete only if it has analysis tools to comeup with filters and wheel data. And then clean filters and wheel input to put the filters and get combos. RL' tools do have this.
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Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Feb 22, 2024
Had to look at the manual. In GH software it's chart W....Smart Picks.

The software will pick an amount of number, then after the draw, check to see if and how many were right.

I don't have the software on the laptop. And still have the laser connected to the desktop. So I'm speaking from the manual.

Got rid of RLs programs years ago. Haven't seen them since. No hard feelings, just don't have any need for them. He wrote some good programs. (I get tired of being messaged about a copy).

Like I said you have to give the ants, earthworms, crickets, horses, or whatever an identity and allow the AI to take over.

G

Interesting Notion, Makes me Think.

It begins with what One thinks AI is. Depends on what you want it to do, I guess.

Ask Chappie the Following Questions.

"Look for Indicators in My Data that Predicted Past Winners. Apply those Indicators to the Next Draw.?"

Select the Indicator and then Select its Value (if required).

Explain the Reasoning behind your Selections.

And Optional: "Hey Chappie, You Suck at this about as bad as I do."
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Quote: Originally posted by AllenB on Feb 22, 2024
Interesting Notion, Makes me Think.

It begins with what One thinks AI is. Depends on what you want it to do, I guess.

Ask Chappie the Following Questions.

"Look for Indicators in My Data that Predicted Past Winners. Apply those Indicators to the Next Draw.?"

Select the Indicator and then Select its Value (if required).

Explain the Reasoning behind your Selections.

And Optional: "Hey Chappie, You Suck at this about as bad as I do."

It's an old idea so I can't take credit. It goes back to the 60s with the Strat-a-matic baseball game where the players had stats cards. Later there was Earl Weaver (computer based) where players chose a team and the game was computer controlled.

Now we have Madden (NFL), futball (soccer), cricket, plus baseball, basketball, say, almost any sport.

That would be my blueprint. I play poker in RDR2 where the computer controls from 4 to 6 other players who have their own personalities and characteristics. More like I study that concept.

So we have the means to do it and the data needed to derive the tables is readily available.

Just a matter of sweating through the process of putting it all together.

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Quote: Originally posted by thamizhpayan on Feb 22, 2024
I read the book and manuals.

Along with AI one could write own rule based prediction.

If one has analyzed data and has something that they derived from the data they could write rules and project upcoming drawing play data.

I have collected RL programs and make use of the programs. The UI layout and consistency across applications makes it a breeze usability wise.

When I am off from my desktop, I will bet on using RL's programs to provide my picks.

I play and track very few games. I have scripts and programs to pull official data from state website.

I am writing some UI apart from the backend code that I missed to write for a long time. I moved to Java Swing based apps from HTML/JS to make use of more computing power and multithreading.

A tool is complete only if it has analysis tools to comeup with filters and wheel data. And then clean filters and wheel input to put the filters and get combos. RL' tools do have this.

Like I said sweating through the process could make it a reality. I'm looking at some code that might help with the idea.

It's great you have something you like and use

When RL and me had our falling out I told him I wwas removing everything he had given me. I did and that was that.

We don't need to start it up again. Those who don't know what happened don't need to know. Those who do, understand.

And that's all that needs to be said about that

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Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Feb 22, 2024
It's an old idea so I can't take credit. It goes back to the 60s with the Strat-a-matic baseball game where the players had stats cards. Later there was Earl Weaver (computer based) where players chose a team and the game was computer controlled.

Now we have Madden (NFL), futball (soccer), cricket, plus baseball, basketball, say, almost any sport.

That would be my blueprint. I play poker in RDR2 where the computer controls from 4 to 6 other players who have their own personalities and characteristics. More like I study that concept.

So we have the means to do it and the data needed to derive the tables is readily available.

Just a matter of sweating through the process of putting it all together.

G

How about the Football Game with the Offense and Defence Cards with The Spring Loaded Flipper on the side?

Now that took some skill.
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Quote: Originally posted by AllenB on Feb 22, 2024
How about the Football Game with the Offense and Defence Cards with The Spring Loaded Flipper on the side?

Now that took some skill.

We wore that game when I was stationed in DC. Had stats for all the defenses and the ball position....red ..blue...black.

Those were good days!

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Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Feb 22, 2024
We wore that game when I was stationed in DC. Had stats for all the defenses and the ball position....red ..blue...black.

Those were good days!

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Judging by the zeros some ants have been crushed by the idea of optimizing their colony. Maybe they don't want to be optimized?

It's understandable. The last vestige of human existence is the ability of one to make choices. And when we're talking about removing/altering that ability, it's going to upset some folks.

Take heart. No one can force another to change what they are content with. You still have a choice of how you pick your numbers, the program(s) you use; the ones you like and dislike, and the ideas we've discussed.

I look at things like this: three generations ago people were still coming west in covered wagons, cars were a luxury items (gas stations, McDonalds, Stuckeys, and Walmarts weren't part of the landscape).

People believed man would never fly, it was impossible to go to the moon, and train rides were detrimental to women's delicate body parts.

If we survive another century, there will be things accomplished that we thought were impossible.

It's going to happen whether we agree with it or not, whether we believe it or not, and the best we can do is watch it, if not accept it.

Talk about optimizing ant colonies is way down on the list of things to get upset over.

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This thread has been quite entertaining. Got more laughs than most other threads. Annnnd, we have evolved? from crickets to....ants....?

CAN'T WIN IF YOU'RE NOT IN

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Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Feb 23, 2024
This thread has been quite entertaining. Got more laughs than most other threads. Annnnd, we have evolved? from crickets to....ants....?

Ive got three Crickets in the Infirmary and I can't count how many are limping.

It's completely quiet.

They went crazy when you said Ants are Better than Crickets.

After I told them that "evolved" did not mean better, they calmed down.

The three in the infirmary had 2nd degree burns from rubbing so hard.

I think we will be OK until the Next Ant Incident.

Anotherone like this and we are going to have them isolate to slow the spread.

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