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• BfloTG

  

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  Hi Folks

  Guess you may be looking for some new blood here to maybe contribute some ideas.  Maybe I can share some of the observations I have made.

  I live in New York, so the game I play is the Take 5 (3/39) drawing.  I have been keeping track of this game for the last 10 years.  My database of winning combinations is just short of 1500 winners.

  RJOH, I was looking at your 10/28/02 post with the list of 269 combinations, concentrating on non repeat of a 3 number duplication.  Your rate of return was no better than the expected odds for the game.  You made the statement that playing more combinations does not increase your odds.  This is very true, but I have the opinion that playing more combinations REDUCES your odds.

  Of course it is unreasonable to play 269 combinations each day, I first use a better way.  In the NY lottery the same winning combination has only duplicated 2 times in almost 1500 draws. (last one by the way was 11/11 by the way)  Therefore any combination I select is checked against this database to ensure it is not a duplicate from the past.  This is the same as playing 1500 combinations that I exclude.

  Glad to be on board, hope I can give you guys some ideas and I can get some.

   

  BfloTG
• curt777

  

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  I've been following the pos
• RJOh

  

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  Like BfloTG I have tracked Ohio Buckeye5 (5/37) for almost 10 years and have over 2100 drawings in my database.  There have been 5 duplications in that time, the last one was 10/18/99.  Like wise when I play, I compare my picks to make sure I don't play any combinations of 5 or 4 that have been drawn before since they seldom repeat.  It's unlikey that I would pick a duplicate even with a QP, but it nice to know if I did and for me that part of the fun of playing the lottery.  So far all the checks and comparisons haven't produced a winner, so I can't say it any better than any other way of picking numbers.  Like my earlier posts showed, picking a few numbers or picking a lot of numbers, picking a winner is not easy.

  Good luck to you pick5 players
  RJOh
• retxx

  

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  well here is 2 cents more for what it is worth. Here in Mass.we play the 5/35 mass cash. This silly idea was given to me by a player who has hit 5/5 twice for a payoff of 100,000 in 2 yrs time. All he does is take the previous number and steps up down each digits. ex; say the number is 2 6 9 17 27. his next play would be step up to 3,down to 5,up to 10,down to 16,up to 28. I guess it is as good as a quick pick. Whatever works more power to him. Maybe this might just work in some other states too. Good luck to anyone that it helps.
• RJOh

  

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  That is an interesting idea, so I checked my Buckeye5 file for the last two years and this is what I found:
  05/12/95 -- 04 | 08 | 09 | 23 | 33 -- minus 1 =  04/20/02 -- 03 | 07 | 08 | 22 | 32
  04/20/98 -- 09 | 10 | 12 | 28 | 36 -- plus    1 = 11/27/01 -- 10 | 11 | 13 | 29 | 37
  02/16/93 -- 08 | 30 | 31 | 32 | 33 -- plus    1 = 11/19/01 -- 09 | 31 | 32 | 33 | 34
  As you can see those occurrances don't happen very close together.  I also checked thet file for an update and found the following:
  11/09/02 -- 01-17-22-32-37 matched 4 (1 time) matched 2 (27 times) for $277
  11/07/02 -- 06-10-23-26-33 matched 4 (1 time) matched 2 (37 times) for $287
  Those two additional obeservations make the pay off look a little better for a large group of numbers.  Thanks for the input, I can alway run a simulation and see if it will work for Buckeye5.

  RJOh 
• retxx

  

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  rjoh,let me correct you. you ran each digit either up 1 on each number where I had said to run first digit up 1 second digit down 1 etc. try searching your database doing it this way and see what happens. thanks. P.S if there is a duplicate number then insert one of your own and if if the last number cannot be changed then insert one of your own there also. let us know how this turns out.
• Teufellj

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  RETXX,

  I like the input and am in process of putting this info to the test.What is the data base amount of past numbers that your firend used or did he/she say? I knowthat you indicated in a way, daily digits but is what was done?

                        Thank you,

   

                          Teufellj
• RJOh

  

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  To Retxx,
  Sorry I could not run that simulation.  The program I have takes a file and writes a new file shifting all the numbers any amount (+ or -) or exchange numbers and then I compare the new file to the old file for matches.  All the changes should be the same for every combinations or else the results have no value when picking numbers for the future which have no history.  My program does look at  each number position and count the times each number appeared in that position, for example pos. 1 = 1-29, pos.2 = 2-33 and etc.  If I could compare the file to itself and count the combinations that have a different no greater than +1 or -1 for each postion then I could check your theory.  Sound like Teufellj is checking that theory, so I will watch for his results.  If that theory worked for your friend then it should work for you too.

  Good luck
  RJOh
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  To Retxx,
  (FYI) I read somewhere that Ken Silvers lottery system (a paper and pencil system) shifed numbers to come up with numbers to play, but I've never seen any post on it's success except at his website where he sells it.

  RJOh
• retxx

  

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  ok lets watch for teufflj results. May help us all. The gentleman did not have any past info to share. Keep fingers crossed. Maybe all will put another piece of the puzzle together to help all make some moolah. lol.
• Teufellj

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  Retxx and Rjoh,

  sorry for the delay but Mother Nature interfeared with my schedule somewhat. I was called in to do Red Cross relief work, much death and destruction and little help at the time.

  The one up and one down method does work, however, too much time evolves to get any good hasty returns. I tried Jazzy Jaspers method of bar #s with modifications and could only get a $10.00 and five one dollar hits out of 22 bets. I see where the game tends to lead but as Rjoh mentioned,"Ken Silver does a similar program." I bought that  program and have managed a modicum of success. You can get a good outlay of winners but it appears to take too long and so far the money profile was too low. Will attempt other ways to use the up down method and see what transpires.

                              Teufellj
• retxx

  

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  thanks for your input teufillj. please continue to experiment and get back to us. You never know where it may lead. Sometime applying it in another state has success. Again thank you.
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  To Retxx and Teufellj,

  I wrote a GW-Basic program which changed the numbers in the file the way Retxx suggested.  It added +1 to the first, third and fifth numbers and -1 to the second and fourth numbers.  If the change would cause a duplicate, the next number was not changed.  For example, if  the combination had adjacent numbers 1-2-and etc., the 1 becamed 2 and the 2 becamed 1, but if the combination had adjacent number 1-3 and etc., the 1 becamed 2 and instead of the 3 becoming 2, it remained 3 and etc.  This parameter was applied to all combinations changes.  I checked my Buckeye5 file with the changed file for the last two years and this is what I found:
  06/15/01 = 02-15-22-28-34 - changed matched five on 07/25/02 = 03-14-23-27-35
  I would have had to cover 265 previous draws to have matched  5 in this case.
  For the last 100 draws if I had changed the winning combination this way and played it the next draw, I would have matched only 2 ten times.  If I had change the last 10 combinations and played them the next draw, I would have matched 2 a lot more, matched 3 a few times and would have matched 4 once.  This is  probably close to the results Teufellj found.  It doesn't appear to me that the odds of picking the winning number is improved by picking the numbers this way, however if the file was analized for the most frequent amount of change between numbers and that was used instead of +1 or -1 the odds might improve.

  RJOh 
• lottocheatah

  

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  Here are the (6) most commonly and least commonly picked numbers for a few pick-5 games (based on the last 500 draws)
  Game              Most Common            Least Common
  CA Fantasy 5  2-34-20-11-10-5      32-13-19-35-33-9
  TX Cash 5      21-12-19-36-26-16    30-25-4-35-31-10
  GA Fantasy 5  22-10-37-21-29-24   38-33-32-11-17-23
  FL Fantasy 5  16-12-32-28-35-20     23-14-13-17-29-6
  IL L-Lotto      1-16-2-26-21-14        23-27-20-17-24-10
  IN Lucky 5      5-18-15-9-7-4            30-14-22-32-23-2
  NY Take 5      8-23-3-21-18-1           9-19-34-15-13-10
  NJ Cash 5      19-3-38-22-28-36      37-2-13-11-6-33

  
  

  
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• RJOh

  

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  Don't forget Ohio Buckeye5 for the last 500 draws
        Most Common                            Least Common
  23-03-18-30-16-22                      21-31-08-28-19-15
  
  To Retxx and Teufellj
  That idea of adding of subtracting from the last winner to pick your next numbers might be worth a try.  When I play the Ohio SuperPlus today, I will use the last winning number 08-23-28-35-43-47 as a base and use numerbers  within -6/+4 of  08, -13/+5 of 23, -11/+5 of 28, -5/+9 of 35, -6/+8 of 43 and -4/+4 of 47 and see what happens.
  RJOh

  P.S.  These are the numbers I will play:

   09 | 25 | 29 | 39 | 44 | 49
   01 | 13 | 26 | 42 | 43 | 45
   03 | 16 | 30 | 40 | 46 | 47
   04 | 15 | 23 | 34 | 38 | 48
   06 | 18 | 22 | 36 | 37 | 41
   08 | 12 | 28 | 33 | 40 | 45
   11 | 14 | 32 | 35 | 38 | 43
   07 | 17 | 27 | 31 | 37 | 49
   10 | 19 | 21 | 34 | 41 | 46
   02 | 20 | 24 | 35 | 42 | 47