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# Breaking down the lotto by groups! 6/49!!

Topic closed. 28 replies. Last post 13 years ago by hypersoniq.

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 01 thru 09 [ 2 ] [22.22%] 10 thru 19 [ 1 ] [11.11%] 20 thru 29 [ 3 ] [33.33%] 30 thru 39 [ 1 ] [11.11%] 40 thru 49 [ 2 ] [22.22%] Total Valid Votes [ 9 ] Discarded Votes [ 11 ]
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When I tracked Pick 6 Lotto in Texas, from the very beginning (10 years ago) I used DECADES as one of the methods for tracking!  We had Pick 6 a year before Pick 3 (what I spend all my time on right now) and when I started keeping records I noticed a few things.

At that time we had a 6/50 and I found I could divide the 50 numbers into 5 decates.....Singles, Teens, Twenties, Thirites and Forties.  After I had acquired enough information for a database I noticed that the majority of the time only 4 denominations were used per game.  If I could eliminate 1 denomination I could reduce the over-all field down to 40 number.

I even used the Game Card to "group" numbers by "Rows".....10 rows....only 6 numbers?  Eliminate digits on 4 rows!  Then I noticed that most of the time the digits came from only 5 rows! There are 4 row games, 5 row games and 6 row games....with a rare 3 row game.

There are ways to reduce numbers in the P6 games to 20 or less to wheel.  You just have to formulate your plan of action.  When Pick 3 came along and I found it a whole lot easier to track 10 digits then 50, I started tracking Pick 3.  I was able to incorporate some of the techniques I used in tracking P6 in my P3 tracking.

I've developed software for my P3 tracking and have since figured out how to use it to even track P6.  Just dont have the time to do them both and without separate software for P6 I would have to take 6 copies of my P3 software to track it :(

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 Posted: January 4, 2004, 2:23 pm - IP Logged

I am definately in the right place.I use number ranges in some of my CAD designs ( Base10 ) I never thought of lottery.Mind if I get to work on this one?

Laurajean

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The idea using base of 10 does not make any sense in my opinion. When my countryman Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibnitz in 1679 perfected the binary system, used to this day as the basis forcomputer systems, he realized that the reason behind the system defines what numeric system is used.

My approach for the 6 out of 49 would be dissection is 14!

• Position 1: 1 - 14

• Position 2: 8 - 21

• Position 3: 15 - 28

• Position 4: 22 - 35

• Position 5: 29 - 42

• Position 6: 36 - 49

Food for thought?

Good Luck!

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 Posted: January 5, 2004, 11:29 am - IP Logged

You may not want to use your number-picking skills in the soon-to-begin PA Match-6. While it will be a 6/49 game, and you'll get three plays, each ticket will cost \$2, and two of the three games are automatically QPed.

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And what might your point be?

San Angelo, Texas
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I use alpha-numeric substitution to generate alphabetical sequences, e.g. ABCCD, ABBDD, in a Pick 5/37 lottery.  The default is A=any number 1-9, B=any number 10-19, C=any number 20-29, D=any number from 30-37. I then divide the letter sequence into 4 columns of pairs by position, 1-2, 2-3, 3.4, 4.5. Over time pairs its became clear that AA and AB comes up more often in Psn 1-2, and CD and DD in positions 4/5. I then use several others charts that suggest possible numbers. Mainly, I use X-Y charts for pairs, without regard to position. 10 charts stead of 40! If Im going to play ABCCD, I usually refer to X-Y charts and play combinations that have come up more frequently, or lest frequently, or not at all.  Has produce many 3/5 wins!

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 Posted: January 17, 2004, 10:20 am - IP Logged

bobby:

What do you do in a 30-40 number game (letterwise?)

Pennsylvania
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back in the day, there were 3 states in a computer... ON ,OFF and WAIT... As core voltages dropped and IS's became increasingly packed the old buzz word was "Zero Wait State". Base 2 works best for the electronics, but is a bit much when coding, so they adopted octal (base 8) then Hexadecimal (Base 16) as "shorthand".

I also keep decade data for the powerball, but find that even in this over-simplified form, the drawings still defy prediction, as do ODD/EVEN, Last Digit, SUMS, SUM ROOTS and any others.

In the big picture, all we are doing is profiling the draws based on generalizations that are easy to convert to but impossible to switch back to when going for a precise pick. I believe that is the current state of the systems, break it down into something that may make more sense to us and then guess your way based on that information. There must be some other level to take it to...

I think a better breakdown would be to figure out the layout of the balls before they dump them into the tank... break them down into rows (row 1 would contain all of the numbers in that row, same for row 2) and also keep a "column" study along with it... this would give you an x-y vector.

Remember that the number of the balls is just an identifier and has NO mathematical properties, every draw starts with the numbers in the same position before mixing them up.

Time to look outside the realm of traditional lottery stats... but where?

Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

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 Posted: January 18, 2004, 8:34 am - IP Logged

When I use to track the N.Y. lottery games we were able to know the placement of the balls in their tubes and knew which rotation was for the next draw and track the game by tube rotation . Is this info available for the game you are tracking?

MAGA

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 Posted: January 18, 2004, 8:42 am - IP Logged

The powerball balls start out in the following arrangement

White Balls

Column of 11 - Column of 10 - Column of 11 - Column of 10 - Column of 11  = 53 balls

PowerBalls

Column of 9 - Column of 8 - Column of 8 - Column of 8 - Column of 9 = 42 balls

I can't get a pic of how they are numbered in there tho... still looking...

Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

Pennsylvania
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 Posted: January 18, 2004, 9:22 am - IP Logged

can't find one, most member state's FAQs have limited outdated info on when they used the old Beitel Criterion machines instead of the current SmartPlay Halogen ones.

What better place to ask than the source? I sent an e-mail to the musl, responses usually take 3 days to a week...

FYI if you have a question about the powerball for the MUSL, tou can send it to letters@musl.com ... they seemed to have overlooked a "contact" section on their updated powerball site...

Also, the VIDEOS are updated now to include 11/03 to current.

http://www.musl.com/pbvideos.asp

Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

Pennsylvania
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 Posted: January 18, 2004, 9:43 am - IP Logged
Quote: Originally posted by MikeK on January 04, 2004

The idea using base of 10 does not make any sense in my opinion. When my countryman Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibnitz in 1679 perfected the binary system, used to this day as the basis forcomputer systems, he realized that the reason behind the system defines what numeric system is used.

My approach for the 6 out of 49 would be dissection is 14!

Base 14 would be

Base
10 to 14
--------
1=1
2=2
3=3
4=4
5=5
6=6
7=7
8=8
9=9
10=A
11=B
12=C
13=D
14=10
15=11
16=12
17=13
18=14
19=15
20=16
21=17
22=18
23=19
24=1A
25=1B
26=1C
27=1D
28=20
29=21
30=22
31=23
32=24
33=25
34=26
35=27
36=28
37=29
38=2A
39=2B
40=2C
41=2D
42=30
43=31
44=32
45=33
46=34
47=35
48=36
49=37

Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

South Carolina
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 Posted: January 18, 2004, 9:44 am - IP Logged

In the N.Y. lotto 54 they had 6 rotations for their
drawings. This was back in 1996 info.they placed
their balls in this order. I will give rotation
one and six here.
They were tracked by the amount of hits by ball number
at each rotation cycle. Number of times hit in each
column. And other data.
If you can locate the info it would be something to cipher out.

rotation one
_09_18_27_36_45_54___
_08_17_26_35_44_53___
_07_16_25_34_43_52___
_06_15_24_33_42_51___
_05_14_23_32_41_50___
_04_13_22_31_40_49___
_03_12_21_30_39_48___
_02_11_20_29_38_47___
_01_10_19_28_37_46___

rotation six
_54_09_18_27_36_45_
_53_08_17_26_35_44_
_52_07_16_25_34_43_
_51_06_15_24_33_42_
_50_05_14_23_32_41_
_49_04_13_22_31_40_
_48_03_12_21_30_39_
_47_02_11_20_29_38_
_46_01_10_19_28_37_

MAGA

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 Posted: January 18, 2004, 1:30 pm - IP Logged

powerball doesn't have ballset info available, just to say they have several sets.

If they vary the order of the balls in the columns before each drawing,they probably won't share that either.

I can't believe that there is zero info on this on the net anywhere... not even 1 pic with high enough resolution to zoom in...

If I were to guess, I would think they go

01|__|22|__|43      01|__|__|__|34
02|12|23|33|44      02|10|18|26|35
03|13|24|34|45      03|11|19|27|36
04|14|25|35|46      04|12|20|28|37
05|15|26|36|47      05|13|21|29|38
06|16|27|37|48      06|14|22|30|39
07|17|28|38|49      07|15|23|31|40
08|18|29|39|50      08|16|24|32|41
09|19|30|40|51      09|17|25|33|42
10|20|31|41|52
11|21|32|42|53

Does anyone happen to know?

Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

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