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paul762's avatar - lion

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Posted: April 3, 2004, 2:14 am - IP Logged

can give you absolute minimality and also multiple prizes? eg. instead of a 4 from 6 wheel how about 4x4 from 6 wheel. anything like this available?

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    Posted: April 3, 2004, 2:26 am - IP Logged

    Lots of wheels at:

    http://www.morethanchance.com/

    Click on the free lotto wheels link and you will find a great page that lets you put in how many numbers you want to play and it will show you the number of games needed for different guarantees.  Then just click on the one you want and you will see all the plays.  I have then put some of them into an Excel spreadsheet so that I can use them any time I want including at work where I do not have internet access.

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      Posted: April 3, 2004, 2:35 am - IP Logged

      thanks, its not really what im looking for , basically im looking for a software version of the bluskov book but with more wheels. thanks though dude.

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        Posted: April 3, 2004, 2:41 am - IP Logged

        No problem.

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          Dear Paul,

          Guru's Lotto Synchronizer incorporates (probably all of) Dr. Illya Bluskov's wheels, as found from the pictures of LottoSync on his website. A couple of his great wheel samples are to be found at: http://www3.telus.net/lotbook/node7.html and http://www3.telus.net/lotbook/node19.html What you can do is: Incorporate them in Windows Lotto Pro by going to >File>New-Wheeling System and fill and save the template therein to get the wheel working from inside Lotto Pro!! If you can afford, here is another one from Germany: http://www.logikus-systems.com/lg/e/lottologikus.htm. Some freebies are at www.lottomasta.com group of sites. Some other lottery fora also discuss wheels. PM me ( I can't post other forum name here, you know).

          As a note: Mathematically minimal systems are something of great interest to wheel designers and professional lottery players alike and are thus mostly commercial/propritary, as they are extremely difficult to design in view of challanges faced in striking the right balance between minimality (i.e., minimal numbers of bets), high payout ratio, symmetry, spread/coverage, and what have you...!

          Hope this info helps in your pursuits. Good luck!

          Just Monkeying Around With Numbers...!

            paul762's avatar - lion

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            Posted: April 3, 2004, 3:12 am - IP Logged

            thanks dream, i already own lottosync and the bluskov book i was just hoping i could do a bit more myself eg. one of the bluskov systems i am using for lotto at the moment guarantees 3x4 if 6 from 10 numbers, i wanted to see how far i could take this wheel, like trying for a 4x4 from 6 or 5x4 from 6 etc. i also have covermaster but im still learning with that at present, i like the bluskov book because of the % possibilities for the wins, it would be great for some software like this.

            thanks for your help guys

            good luck to you !!

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              BTW Paul,

              I see you are from UK. Have you heard of Banned Systems?! Do let me know!

              Thanks!

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                Posted: April 3, 2004, 4:07 am - IP Logged

                yes, i have purchased systems from them for fixed odds football etc. didnt win anything though, and the systems are not banned.

                hope this helps

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                  Go to http://www.ldir.com/ and download the fully functional non-expiring demo of Lottery Director.  The only difference between the demo and the pay version is you can't enter new draws, but you can download the updates if you don't mind being a draw or two behind.  Anyway, the demo comes with over 800 wheels you can use and filters if you want to use them.  You might find some wheels in that Lottery Cracker you have too.

                  The only thing to remember with commercial wheels for tightest cover, is many are split.  Actually two wheels side by side covering the guarantee collectively, but to ever win a jackpot you have to get all the winning numbers on one side of the split or the other, something that happens as often as expected playing the smaller size independently.  If a 24 number wheel is made of two 12 number wheels side by side, your odds of winning higher prizes are based on playing two 12 number wheels, not a 24.  Odds of all 6 winning numbers among 12 is like one in 15,000, among 24 about one in 100 a big difference. BobP

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                    hi bob, ive got the full version of the software you mention but it only lets you filter wheels upto 5000 combinations unless they are split like you said. im thinking about software which gives you the option of how many wins you would like in your set of 10 numbers eg. i really like the bluskov book for the fact that you can have 3x4 number prizes if 6 numbers match instead of just 1x4 number prize and the ticket cost is only £2 extra for me, 1x4=£3, 3x4=£5 ive tried covermaster but dont know if ive got it right, i look at the detailed report you told me to look for and some of it matches the bluskov book when i enter one of the same wheels, but i dont think it can do what im looking for. thanks bob.

                    good luck all!!

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                      Posted: April 4, 2004, 7:13 am - IP Logged

                      Hi paul762

                      Search for program Cover (or Cover32) by Nurmela and Ostergaard. Its old DOS program but you can give any lambda (L) you want.

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                        thanks, but i cant find the software download , all links seem broken or gone. what about lottodesigner xl would this do the same thing?

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                          Nope :(

                          LottoDesignerXL (downloadable version) don't cares
                          about your parameters t,m,l - only tries to find (in given ticket range) most doubles, triplets etc.

                          Sorry for my english.

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                            what about the full version of lottodesignerXL?