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I just found this site.  You might like it.

"The Florida Lotto held its first drawing May 7Th., 1988.  From
that day forward, I have been a student of the lottery.  Over
the years I've acquired over a dozen books by Experts.  Any
number of reports,  hundreds of issues of Lottery magazines,
all sorts of toys, gimmicks and gadgets,  as well as two
different computer systems and over a thousand dollars worth
of Lottery software."

 

Read more...

http://www.lotto-logix.com/txthouse/lotteryconcepts.html

 

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    OpenMinded

    I stopped reading after I got to this paragraph -

     

                " ... On  the back of the play slip, it is stated that the odds of 6
                      of 6 from 49 is 13,983,816.  These are not the odds.  This is
                      only the number of possible combinations.  You need to
                      multiply this figure times the number of ballsets (6) and
                      machines (3). ..."

    Regards
    Colin

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      This Robert Perkis guy definitely was dropped on his head, by his mother, as a child. Talk about some funny reading material!

      Chas

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        Quote: Originally posted by Colin F on May 21, 2004



        OpenMinded

        I stopped reading after I got to this paragraph -

         

                    " ... On  the back of the play slip, it is stated that the odds of 6
                          of 6 from 49 is 13,983,816.  These are not the odds.  This is
                          only the number of possible combinations.  You need to
                          multiply this figure times the number of ballsets (6) and
                          machines (3). ..."

        Regards
        Colin




        It was copyrighted 1994, you never made it out of the introduction.  Unless you've got something better for us to read you might at least do a proper review. 

        btw: Why does the lottery rotate ballsets and machines if not to make it harder to win?  Of course the odds don't really change per draw, but the house does have a greater advantage over a series of draws by rotating machines and ballsets then it does with only one ballset and machine, so how is that advantage over the hunter/trapper player factored in?  BobP
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          But excuse me, BobP. 

          I'll have you know that I did do a proper review and am well aware of the copywrite date.  Geez!  Coffee might help that twitch.  I think it's interesting.  I'm sure we won't all agree on that. 

          Ancient Chinese secret says,  "If man not too big for britches, might win lottery".  LMAO

           

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               " ... On  the back of the play slip, it is stated that the odds of 6 
                  of 6 from 49 is 13,983,816.  These are not the odds. 
                  This is only the number of possible combinations.  You need 
                  to multiply this figure times the number of ballsets (6) and 
                  machines (3). ..."






            Quote: Originally posted by BobP on May 07, 2004


            Let's see now, 6/49 lotto with odds of 1 in 13,983,816

            Buying X Unique Tickets
            1 = 13,983,816
            2 = 6,991,908
            4 = 3,495,954
            8 = 1,747,977
            16 = 873,988.5
            32 = 436,994.25
            64 = 218,497.125
            128 = 109,248.5625
            256 = 54,624.28125
            512 = 27,312.140625
            1024 = 13,656.0703125
            2048 = 6,828.03515625
            4096 = 3,414.017578125
            8192 = 1,707.0087890625
            16384 = 853.50439453125
            32768 = 426.752197265625
            65536 = 213.3760986328125
            131072 = 106.68804931640625
            262144 = 53.344024658203125
            524288 = 26.6720123291015625
            1048576 = 13.33600616455078125
            2097152 = 6.668003082275390625
            4194304 = 3.3340015411376953125
            8388608 = 1.66700077056884765625
            13983816 = 1.00000000000000000000
            16777216 = 0.833500385284423828125

            And so we come full round and a little beyond.  BobP
             





            BobP

                      The Moving Finger writes, and having writ,
                       Moves on, not all your Piety nor Wit
                       Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
                      Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.
                       
                       
            Omar Khayyam.  ------- 1123 

            In comparing the two I'm at a loss to decide which is the more bunkum!

            Rotating the ballsets is in the main a cosmetic thing; the intention and effect if any is to maintain the odds not to move them in any direction. Think before you exercise your keyboard skills.

            Colin F


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                Quote: Originally posted by OpenMinded on May 21, 2004



                But excuse me, BobP. 

                I'll have you know that I did do a proper review and am well aware of the copywrite date.  Geez!  Coffee might help that twitch.  I think it's interesting.  I'm sure we won't all agree on that. 

                Ancient Chinese secret says,  "If man not too big for britches, might win lottery".  LMAO

                 

                OpenMinded




                Never an offense intended.  The Quote being replied to was from Colin F not you.  I would have Quoted you if I wanted to reply to you, only it wasn't necessary because your post was fine by me.  If I hadn't quoted anyone, then it could apply to anyone or it's the old, "if the shoe fits" kinda thingie.

                Anywhoo, these things are well worth a read because you never know where you will turn up a gold nugget of knowledge.  These days if I learn one new thing about the lottery I count myself lucky.  BobP
                 
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                  Quote: Originally posted by Colin F on May 21, 2004









                     " ... On  the back of the play slip, it is stated that the odds of 6 
                        of 6 from 49 is 13,983,816.  These are not the odds. 
                        This is only the number of possible combinations.  You need 
                        to multiply this figure times the number of ballsets (6) and 
                        machines (3). ..."






                  Quote: Originally posted by BobP on May 07, 2004


                  Let's see now, 6/49 lotto with odds of 1 in 13,983,816

                  Buying X Unique Tickets
                  1 = 13,983,816
                  2 = 6,991,908
                  4 = 3,495,954
                  8 = 1,747,977
                  16 = 873,988.5
                  32 = 436,994.25
                  64 = 218,497.125
                  128 = 109,248.5625
                  256 = 54,624.28125
                  512 = 27,312.140625
                  1024 = 13,656.0703125
                  2048 = 6,828.03515625
                  4096 = 3,414.017578125
                  8192 = 1,707.0087890625
                  16384 = 853.50439453125
                  32768 = 426.752197265625
                  65536 = 213.3760986328125
                  131072 = 106.68804931640625
                  262144 = 53.344024658203125
                  524288 = 26.6720123291015625
                  1048576 = 13.33600616455078125
                  2097152 = 6.668003082275390625
                  4194304 = 3.3340015411376953125
                  8388608 = 1.66700077056884765625
                  13983816 = 1.00000000000000000000
                  16777216 = 0.833500385284423828125

                  And so we come full round and a little beyond.  BobP
                   





                  BobP

                            The Moving Finger writes, and having writ,
                             Moves on, not all your Piety nor Wit
                             Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
                            Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.
                             
                             
                  Omar Khayyam.  ------- 1123 

                  In comparing the two I'm at a loss to decide which is the more bunkum!

                  Rotating the ballsets is in the main a cosmetic thing; the intention and effect if any is to maintain the odds not to move them in any direction. Think before you exercise your keyboard skills.

                  Colin F





                  Cosmetic!?!  Ask a Blackjack player if adding more decks and shuffles is merely Cosmetic or if it makes the game harder to win even if the odds remain the same for people not trying to win by counting. 

                  We lottery hunters and trapers are going outside the game parameters trying to find an edge the lottery is working hard to make sure says hidden.

                  A degree of difficulity not measurable or applicable to the general birthday and quick pick player, yet very real for people like us. BobP


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                    Changing the ballset does not change the odds of winning.  It only minimizes the possibility that someone could improve the odds by taking advantage of the peculiarities of a particular ballset.

                     

                    Check the State Lottery Report Card
                    What grade did your lottery earn?

                     

                    Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
                    Help eliminate computerized drawings!

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                      Quote: Originally posted by Todd on May 21, 2004


                      Changing the ballset does not change the odds of winning.  It only minimizes the possibility that someone could improve the odds by taking advantage of the peculiarities of a particular ballset.



                      Ok, I agree that business about the odds times 3 times 6 is wrong, even if all the ballsets were dumped in one machine and duplicates excluded if drawn, the odds would remain the same.

                      Even so, I think it should be explored as to whether the lottery's only purpose is a level playing field or would like to make it harder to win with lottery software and systems? 

                      A sizable portion of the people here hope to find bias or something in the entire lottery environment that will provide a leg up on the other people on line buying tickets.  True there are others who feel there is nothing to be found in past draws and such, I wish them well as we're not in a race to win.

                      The report is interesting and well worth a read even if dated, good primer for newbies.  BobP

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                        Quote: Originally posted by OpenMinded on May 20, 2004



                        I just found this site.  You might like it.

                        "The Florida Lotto held its first drawing May 7Th., 1988.  From
                        that day forward, I have been a student of the lottery.  Over
                        the years I've acquired over a dozen books by Experts.  Any
                        number of reports,  hundreds of issues of Lottery magazines,
                        all sorts of toys, gimmicks and gadgets,  as well as two
                        different computer systems and over a thousand dollars worth
                        of Lottery software."

                         

                        Read more...

                        http://www.lotto-logix.com/txthouse/lotteryconcepts.html

                         

                        OpenMinded





                        Maybe you would have had better luck spending your money on the lottery because the number of ball sets only canges the odd if they are all used at the same time.

                        If im playing cards with 1 deck the fact that  another deck exists has no influence on the odds of my getting a royal flush with the one im playing with.

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                          ...

                          I think it should be explored as to whether the lottery's only purpose is a level playing field or would like to make it harder to win with lottery software and systems

                          A sizable portion of the people here hope to find bias or something in the entire lottery environment that will provide a leg up on the other people on line buying tickets.  ... BobP




                          That's a nice side-effect of it... if the balls are rotated on an irregular schedule, any particular bias exhibited by any ballset would be of no use to the systems... Of course it doesn't always mean that knowing would help... look at florida... they even tell you the ball sets used... (wish the MUSL would do that)

                          Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

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                            Ok I have to admit after looking back at the posts  i may have spoke out of turn i get lost with all the inserted quotes I have to rethink who said what so if my comment about your lottery knowledge was misdirected i apoligise. I also apoligise because if there is misinformation i should try to correct rather then ridicule.

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                              Once upon a time roulette wheels were made of wood and gamblers would watch the spins. after a while due to the warping in the wood of the wheel. they would see a bias.  Replace the wheel and the bias is different.

                              Dont forget there is a level of standardazation that they are tring to maintain also. and in a way lucky for us they do because if we could find the bias in the lottery ball sets and they didnt change them. We would have no more lottery. It wasnt started as a charity org.  its a business