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# Tools You Could Use?

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Charlotte
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I just found this site.  You might like it.

"The Florida Lotto held its first drawing May 7Th., 1988.  From
that day forward, I have been a student of the lottery.  Over
the years I've acquired over a dozen books by Experts.  Any
number of reports,  hundreds of issues of Lottery magazines,
all sorts of toys, gimmicks and gadgets,  as well as two
different computer systems and over a thousand dollars worth
of Lottery software."

http://www.lotto-logix.com/txthouse/lotteryconcepts.html

OpenMinded

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OpenMinded

I stopped reading after I got to this paragraph -

" ... On  the back of the play slip, it is stated that the odds of 6
of 6 from 49 is 13,983,816.  These are not the odds.  This is
only the number of possible combinations.  You need to
multiply this figure times the number of ballsets (6) and
machines (3). ..."

Regards
Colin

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This Robert Perkis guy definitely was dropped on his head, by his mother, as a child. Talk about some funny reading material!

Chas

Dump Water Florida
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Quote: Originally posted by Colin F on May 21, 2004

OpenMinded

I stopped reading after I got to this paragraph -

" ... On  the back of the play slip, it is stated that the odds of 6
of 6 from 49 is 13,983,816.  These are not the odds.  This is
only the number of possible combinations.  You need to
multiply this figure times the number of ballsets (6) and
machines (3). ..."

Regards
Colin

It was copyrighted 1994, you never made it out of the introduction.  Unless you've got something better for us to read you might at least do a proper review.

btw: Why does the lottery rotate ballsets and machines if not to make it harder to win?  Of course the odds don't really change per draw, but the house does have a greater advantage over a series of draws by rotating machines and ballsets then it does with only one ballset and machine, so how is that advantage over the hunter/trapper player factored in?  BobP
Charlotte
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But excuse me, BobP.

I'll have you know that I did do a proper review and am well aware of the copywrite date.  Geez!  Coffee might help that twitch.  I think it's interesting.  I'm sure we won't all agree on that.

Ancient Chinese secret says,  "If man not too big for britches, might win lottery".  LMAO

OpenMinded

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" ... On  the back of the play slip, it is stated that the odds of 6
of 6 from 49 is 13,983,816.  These are not the odds.
This is only the number of possible combinations.  You need
to multiply this figure times the number of ballsets (6) and
machines (3). ..."

Quote: Originally posted by BobP on May 07, 2004

Let's see now, 6/49 lotto with odds of 1 in 13,983,816

1 = 13,983,816
2 = 6,991,908
4 = 3,495,954
8 = 1,747,977
16 = 873,988.5
32 = 436,994.25
64 = 218,497.125
128 = 109,248.5625
256 = 54,624.28125
512 = 27,312.140625
1024 = 13,656.0703125
2048 = 6,828.03515625
4096 = 3,414.017578125
8192 = 1,707.0087890625
16384 = 853.50439453125
32768 = 426.752197265625
65536 = 213.3760986328125
131072 = 106.68804931640625
262144 = 53.344024658203125
524288 = 26.6720123291015625
1048576 = 13.33600616455078125
2097152 = 6.668003082275390625
4194304 = 3.3340015411376953125
8388608 = 1.66700077056884765625
13983816 = 1.00000000000000000000
16777216 = 0.833500385284423828125

And so we come full round and a little beyond.  BobP

BobP

The Moving Finger writes, and having writ,
Moves on, not all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.

Omar Khayyam.  ------- 1123

In comparing the two I'm at a loss to decide which is the more bunkum!

Rotating the ballsets is in the main a cosmetic thing; the intention and effect if any is to maintain the odds not to move them in any direction. Think before you exercise your keyboard skills.

Colin F

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Dump Water Florida
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Quote: Originally posted by OpenMinded on May 21, 2004

But excuse me, BobP.

I'll have you know that I did do a proper review and am well aware of the copywrite date.  Geez!  Coffee might help that twitch.  I think it's interesting.  I'm sure we won't all agree on that.

Ancient Chinese secret says,  "If man not too big for britches, might win lottery".  LMAO

OpenMinded

Never an offense intended.  The Quote being replied to was from Colin F not you.  I would have Quoted you if I wanted to reply to you, only it wasn't necessary because your post was fine by me.  If I hadn't quoted anyone, then it could apply to anyone or it's the old, "if the shoe fits" kinda thingie.

Anywhoo, these things are well worth a read because you never know where you will turn up a gold nugget of knowledge.  These days if I learn one new thing about the lottery I count myself lucky.  BobP

Dump Water Florida
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 Posted: May 21, 2004, 12:43 pm - IP Logged
Quote: Originally posted by Colin F on May 21, 2004

" ... On  the back of the play slip, it is stated that the odds of 6
of 6 from 49 is 13,983,816.  These are not the odds.
This is only the number of possible combinations.  You need
to multiply this figure times the number of ballsets (6) and
machines (3). ..."

Quote: Originally posted by BobP on May 07, 2004

Let's see now, 6/49 lotto with odds of 1 in 13,983,816

1 = 13,983,816
2 = 6,991,908
4 = 3,495,954
8 = 1,747,977
16 = 873,988.5
32 = 436,994.25
64 = 218,497.125
128 = 109,248.5625
256 = 54,624.28125
512 = 27,312.140625
1024 = 13,656.0703125
2048 = 6,828.03515625
4096 = 3,414.017578125
8192 = 1,707.0087890625
16384 = 853.50439453125
32768 = 426.752197265625
65536 = 213.3760986328125
131072 = 106.68804931640625
262144 = 53.344024658203125
524288 = 26.6720123291015625
1048576 = 13.33600616455078125
2097152 = 6.668003082275390625
4194304 = 3.3340015411376953125
8388608 = 1.66700077056884765625
13983816 = 1.00000000000000000000
16777216 = 0.833500385284423828125

And so we come full round and a little beyond.  BobP

BobP

The Moving Finger writes, and having writ,
Moves on, not all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.

Omar Khayyam.  ------- 1123

In comparing the two I'm at a loss to decide which is the more bunkum!

Rotating the ballsets is in the main a cosmetic thing; the intention and effect if any is to maintain the odds not to move them in any direction. Think before you exercise your keyboard skills.

Colin F

Cosmetic!?!  Ask a Blackjack player if adding more decks and shuffles is merely Cosmetic or if it makes the game harder to win even if the odds remain the same for people not trying to win by counting.

We lottery hunters and trapers are going outside the game parameters trying to find an edge the lottery is working hard to make sure says hidden.

A degree of difficulity not measurable or applicable to the general birthday and quick pick player, yet very real for people like us. BobP

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Changing the ballset does not change the odds of winning.  It only minimizes the possibility that someone could improve the odds by taking advantage of the peculiarities of a particular ballset.

Check the State Lottery Report Card

Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
Help eliminate computerized drawings!

Dump Water Florida
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Quote: Originally posted by Todd on May 21, 2004

Changing the ballset does not change the odds of winning.  It only minimizes the possibility that someone could improve the odds by taking advantage of the peculiarities of a particular ballset.

Ok, I agree that business about the odds times 3 times 6 is wrong, even if all the ballsets were dumped in one machine and duplicates excluded if drawn, the odds would remain the same.

Even so, I think it should be explored as to whether the lottery's only purpose is a level playing field or would like to make it harder to win with lottery software and systems?

A sizable portion of the people here hope to find bias or something in the entire lottery environment that will provide a leg up on the other people on line buying tickets.  True there are others who feel there is nothing to be found in past draws and such, I wish them well as we're not in a race to win.

The report is interesting and well worth a read even if dated, good primer for newbies.  BobP

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Wheaton
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Quote: Originally posted by OpenMinded on May 20, 2004

I just found this site.  You might like it.

"The Florida Lotto held its first drawing May 7Th., 1988.  From
that day forward, I have been a student of the lottery.  Over
the years I've acquired over a dozen books by Experts.  Any
number of reports,  hundreds of issues of Lottery magazines,
all sorts of toys, gimmicks and gadgets,  as well as two
different computer systems and over a thousand dollars worth
of Lottery software."

http://www.lotto-logix.com/txthouse/lotteryconcepts.html

OpenMinded

Maybe you would have had better luck spending your money on the lottery because the number of ball sets only canges the odd if they are all used at the same time.

If im playing cards with 1 deck the fact that  another deck exists has no influence on the odds of my getting a royal flush with the one im playing with.

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Quote: Originally posted by BobP on May 21, 2004

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I think it should be explored as to whether the lottery's only purpose is a level playing field or would like to make it harder to win with lottery software and systems

A sizable portion of the people here hope to find bias or something in the entire lottery environment that will provide a leg up on the other people on line buying tickets.  ... BobP

That's a nice side-effect of it... if the balls are rotated on an irregular schedule, any particular bias exhibited by any ballset would be of no use to the systems... Of course it doesn't always mean that knowing would help... look at florida... they even tell you the ball sets used... (wish the MUSL would do that)

Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

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Wheaton
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Ok I have to admit after looking back at the posts  i may have spoke out of turn i get lost with all the inserted quotes I have to rethink who said what so if my comment about your lottery knowledge was misdirected i apoligise. I also apoligise because if there is misinformation i should try to correct rather then ridicule.

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Wheaton
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Once upon a time roulette wheels were made of wood and gamblers would watch the spins. after a while due to the warping in the wood of the wheel. they would see a bias.  Replace the wheel and the bias is different.

Dont forget there is a level of standardazation that they are tring to maintain also. and in a way lucky for us they do because if we could find the bias in the lottery ball sets and they didnt change them. We would have no more lottery. It wasnt started as a charity org.  its a business

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