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Saliu believes the odds in the games that we know and play can be beaten consistently, enough to profit. (Being a professional gambler is not impossible)

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    Quote: Originally posted by QWEST46 on May 25, 2004


    Saliu believes the odds in the games that we know and play can be beaten consistently, enough to profit. (Being a professional gambler is not impossible)



    I didn't realize that. Are there people here in this forum who are such professional gamblers that make a living using Saliu's strategy?

    I have a hard time figuring him out. He must be a very eccentric person, at least judging from his writing.

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      Being a professional gambler is not impossible.

      Are there any?I really want to know about them and I am heading that way.

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        Quote: Originally posted by dragon on May 26, 2004



        Quote: Originally posted by QWEST46 on May 25, 2004


        Saliu believes the odds in the games that we know and play can be beaten consistently, enough to profit. (Being a professional gambler is not impossible)



        I didn't realize that. Are there people here in this forum who are such professional gamblers that make a living using Saliu's strategy?

        I have a hard time figuring him out. He must be a very eccentric person, at least judging from his writing.




        Soon you will know who isable to be a professional gambler.Lottery post Prediction provides you the chance to show your  talent of that.

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          Quote: Originally posted by QWEST46 on May 25, 2004


          Saliu believes the odds in the games that we know and play can be beaten consistently, enough to profit. (Being a professional gambler is not impossible)



          I would like to see that in writing by Saliu. Hype, extravagent claims but underneath all that is a mathematical mind. Having said that you just reminded me to look in on the news group to see how he finished up in the "Wife swapping question". (alt.sci.math.probability)

          I came back to give you a taste of the mathematical arguement from Saliu:

          . What you talkin' about? You talkin' about N=1? What kind of swappin'
          would that be, just one couple? Or, you thinkin' of sex change???

          Colin

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            Quote: Originally posted by dragon on May 26, 2004



            Are there people here in this forum who are such professional gamblers that make a living ........







            I would doubt if any professional gamblers would post their picks of systems at Lottery Post because if such existed, their systems would be too big or complex for the average players.  Some one once said that Steve Player was a professional  gambler and lottery player who sold his systems, but those systems were expensive to buy and play.  Many poster have claimed to know someone that makes a living play the pick3 and pick4 lotteries, but so far no one has posted a system for doing it.

            RJOh

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              Posted: May 30, 2004, 7:41 am - IP Logged

              bobp's predictions on pick3 could help have win more money than invested.If he uses a system,I would not believe its a big one.more simple,more accurate.

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                This seems a bit harsh. I have been tracking hot/warm/cold for months and have liked the results. The key is playing ranges in the 3 groups.

                Tom Dempsey

                Quote: Originally posted by desparado on May 25, 2004











                picking "hot' and "cold" numbers is nonsense-agreed (3)


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                  Desparado aka Goose was sent to study his navel by Todd again.

                  How you going with your system? Let's have an update.

                  Regards
                  Colin

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                    Quote: Originally posted by desparado on May 25, 2004



                    Quote: Originally posted by Bertil on May 23, 2004



                    it is impossible to improve the odds of winning by any formula-disagree/maybe with limits/chances

                    never play numbers suggested by a "guru"-disagree/double that x's 1.000.000

                    picking "hot' and "cold" numbers is nonsense-agreed/4 or5 hot+ 1 cold

                    There is lots of actual statistics for the 6/49 game.-nonsense/more than enough/yes!

                    Bertil




                    Thats all.Only my opinion/me too!



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                      On the professional gablers topic:

                      I once saw a documentary on television about a belgian professional gambler who earns heaps of money with it. The only game he played was Blackjack by counting the cards.

                      The only problem for those wanting to become pro gamblers is that you already have to be rich before you begin. If you are not, you are gonna need a lot lot lot lot of luck to survive. 

                      This guy I'm talking about already had a big fortune before becoming a pro gambler.

                      I believe that's reality

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                        Professional gambler?  That's an oxymoron if I ever heard of one.

                        About formulas.  Formulas, by their very nature, don't work well because each draw, though admittedly interconnected, is still an individual dvent. 

                        The mystics believe there is a kernel of truth in every experience.  The trick is to collect these kernels and make sense of them.

                        Formulas, professional gamblers, easy short-cuts . . . these are the lures that take your money and drive you crazy.

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                          Quote: Originally posted by MrSteel01 on June 21, 2004



                           picking "hot' and "cold" numbers is nonsense-agreed/4 or5 hot+ 1 cold




                          What is the defenition of hot and cold numbers?

                          Are cold numbers, numbers that have skipped 7 or more draws?

                          Are hot numbers the ones that reoccur on a regular basis?

                          What are people talking about when they say these numbers are hot and those number are cold?

                          Are they talking about the hit/skip rate of the numbers?

                          Are they talking about how many times the numbers have been drawn in all of the drawings to date? 

                          There are three levels to how many times the numbers have been drawn in all of the drawings to date, Above Average, Average, and Below Average. The average being how many times each number is expected to be drawn in a given number of drawings.

                          The hit/skip rate of the numbers are different, if a number is Above Average based on how many times each number is expected to be drawn in a given number of drawings but, it has skipped say 10 drawings since it last hit. Is this number considered cold?

                          If a number is Below Average based on how many times each number is expected to be drawn in a given number of drawings but, it has hit, say every 3 to 5 drawings since it skipped 10 or more drawings. Is this number considered hot, even though this number is Below Average based on how many times each number is expected to be drawn in a given number of drawings?

                          With the numbers being in three different catagories, (Above Avg., Avg., and Below Avg.) most drawings you will find that the numbers drawn will come from all three.

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                            Quote: Originally posted by UCI1 on July 09, 2004



                            With the numbers being in three different catagories, (Above Avg., Avg., and Below Avg.) most drawings you will find that the numbers drawn will come from all three.




                            it almost seems ideally suited to some sort of fuzzy logic...

                            Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.


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                              UCI1

                              This is what works for me:-

                              In a 6/49 Lotto it is possible in 8 Draws for all numbers bar 1 to have appeared once. They don't of course but you use this figure to decide on your short term occurrences. About 10 is the goer for this Lotto game.

                              Within say the 10 Draws occurrences of 3 or more are Hot, 2 Warm and 1 Luke (no, not the Bible Luke but as in Lukewarm.) In the previous Draw is Prior and Outside the 10 Draws is Cold.

                              Combined with this you have your long term Occurrences. (In 49 Draws it is possible for each number to have appeared 6 times.) Whatever works best for you, say from 30 to 50 Draws. You then have hit/miss/cluster patterns to factor in as well as Last Occurrence.

                              What you end up with is virtual or hypothetical scenarios as far as the next draw is concerned because of the independence of the draw dvents. You should be able to do better than what the published odds say but you may not achieve this on you're first go. 

                              If you're real serious allow a couple of years, at least a couple of thousand hours and at least 500 pages of Code and you may feel as though you're coming to grips with it provided along the way you have used you're imagination to do some creative programming.

                              And away you go! Best of British Luck.

                              Colin