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Should we Separate the 2 games

Yes

[ 17 ]

[ 68.0% ]

[ 3 ]

[ 12.0% ]

Not if you play both games daily

[ 4 ]

[ 16.0% ]

If you dont mind spending a lot

[ 1 ]

[ 4.0% ]

Total valid votes

[ 25 ]

Discarded votes

[ 3 ]

WIN D

Stone Mountain*Georgia
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Jun 28, 2004, 2:19 pm

They are two different games. If you don't mind playing both games everyday then I guess it's ok. If you don't mind playing and spending twice as much money on a Trap it's OK.

I still say..."The best FILTER anyone can use is to Separate the two games"

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
rrr661

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Jun 28, 2004, 4:38 pm

in my opini&
UCI1

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Jun 28, 2004, 4:55 pm

I think it depends on the analysis that your using. If you want to consider that the midday and evening drawings are coming from the same 3 machines and/or ball sets. If I understand the TomCat forum http://www.winthelotto.net , Tom uses the pick3 and pick4 combined as well as seperate in his analysis.
WIN D

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Jun 28, 2004, 9:33 pm

uc11,
That is an interesting site. I know of one other person who mixes the pick-4 and 3 data. He does better than most. It has to do with Touch and No touch of the number combinations. I think there are 54 touch combinations alone. No human can crunch that much. He was one of the first to use a computer for that type of system. I do not get it myself. I do know that it does force you to play both games...... or you could miss.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
orangeman

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Jun 28, 2004, 10:42 pm

My studies have shown that the midday and evening drawings interact. It is instructive to stack them together and see what is revealed. The skip number is also valuable. These things interact.
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WIN D

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Jun 29, 2004, 1:00 am

I agree with you Orangeman.......but you can inter splice as many games as you like. We could include Florida and Texas and their Pick 4 games as well ..... and they would interact too. I also think that you could play every other game draw with any another state and it would interact. Really. The laws of probability would still apply as long as you were consistent.
I sincerely believe that you could stack every U.S. p-3 game.... one on top of the other.... and we could make that work too. It's just that it's extra work that we don't need. Not to mention the expense. Sure there are times that I have wished I had spliced the 2 draws together..... and there have been many more times that I have trapped straights flat footed..... because I did separate the 2 draws. The method a person uses is key to this question and the money and time he is willing to invest. For me and my lazy pocket book and brain .....one game at a time is all I can track statistically, and expect to win a little above the expected average.
I have done it both ways. By separating draws....I have found that I can play traps with more confidence, and focus my bets for much bigger wins. I haven't missed that many profitable interactions this way. If they're that obvious..... I usually can see em and play em too.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
LANTERN

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Jun 29, 2004, 2:29 am

It all depends in what system you are using.
With some methods it's best to separate and with others together, it has happened to be both ways, depending on the particular system, if it works best together then together, if separate then separate, do it by trial and error, test and find out for sure.
The systems that I use now require separate draws to work.
But some things that I tried before worked best with the 2 draws together, but the new (not so new) methods work better than the old ones.
Whatever works for you best, use that.

TomCat

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Jun 29, 2004, 8:24 am

Here is some proof to why I like to treat it as one game... This is just one of the postings I made on 6/27 around the country to attract people to my website.... 747 fell last night in Michigan, one day after I posted it would fall....

The MAIN REASON you need to treat the games as just ONE game, that I call "Combo" is because in Michigan, and most other states, it is a mechanical device that draws the numbers. Each "popcorn ball" machine is unique, and rotated daily to create more randomness. Most people "fear" they do this. I encourage it. It just strenghtens over time the LAW OF AVERAGES which is entirely what I base all my systems on....

Everyone of my customers will attest that the COMBO data wins the most.... Alls you had to do is buy last weeks newsletter to see that... One 4 digit and 2 3 digit hits on the FRONT PAGE were all in the COMBO data... none of the numbers fell from my individual game data...

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Here is some free advice for those who do understand the daily games. Today the winning 3 digit should either be a 17X or a 77X

That is 1 & 7 should fall together or 7 & 7. To "cover" all 10 combinations of either pair, at a minimum costs 5.00. The LEAST you win is $41.00. So to spend 10.00 to win 41.00 is a gamble I take daily....

Those who understand "straight" bets I recommend you play 715 774 714

I should mention I wheel my bets which is why you will see me thousands on the wheel....

LANTERN

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Jun 29, 2004, 8:48 am

As I said, whatever works for you best it all has to do with your particular system, they say that there is more than one way to skin a cat (Sorry TomCat)
TomCat

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Jun 29, 2004, 8:51 am

Ouch! Needless to say I hate that saying....
LANTERN

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Jun 29, 2004, 9:18 am

TOMCat
I was wanted to bring some humor to this.
I am glad that you have a winning system for the pick 3 also.
Some people just cry that "Can't be done can't be done" And never learn or anything.
But they do keep on crying that they can never win.
But never do anything about it.
As you well know "Can do, works better than can't do"
That is why you can win the pick 3 and can't do people don't.
Good job TomCat.
TomCat

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Jun 29, 2004, 12:23 pm

I do need to clarify my position on this thread though.

I treat the games seperate AND combined. Thus I could not vote in the poll because it makes you chose one or the other. I think it is equally important to track the 3 digit as a single game, the 4 digit as a single game AND then combine them as one game. More often then not I win on the combination data, but there are days the individual game data gave me the winner and not the combo data....
TomCat

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Jun 29, 2004, 1:44 pm

Oh, did I mention that my customers and I hit the 4 digit STRAIGHT in the midday? If you want to have access to see the actual worksheet I provide my customers it is online still till tonight... In our forums I told people to prepare for a triple and double double in the 4 digit - they are way behind....
You can see the actual tickets I won on at http://www.winthelotto.net/mostrecent.html (tonight I will scan the check from the State of Michigan so you can stare at that as well!!)
I did promise the webmaster here I would only come by once a month to give some sound advice and my goal is not to STEAL CUSTOMERS, just to borrow some....
WIN D

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Jun 29, 2004, 1:59 pm

Here is a good example on the pro side of combining draws.Like I noted before, I do look over my shoulder at the other draw. Below is combined Midday and Evening Draws for Ga. until today.
882
631 starting with the middle position digit 3 follow the unbroken "zig zag" line of six odd digits all the way down to first position 7 in 761. Six odds in a row !
944
535
253
659
761
203 Notice the "zig zag" line ended with the expected even digit zero. Now notice the unbroken straight line of unbroken odd digits in 3rd. position for next day consideration. This zz pattern was not visiable from 1 draw data only. This is one of the big examples I will take note of .....even though my draws are separated.
Also note that we were also looking at 4 consecutive draws of at least 2 odd and one even digits today ......before the 2 even and one odd hit as 203
Neither one of these patterns would have been obvious to separated data.
P.S. * Also note: I consider the digit Zero as High. In certain cases I will consider the Zero as a low digit. What ever suits the purpose. It does confuse at some times... but the rewards of finding otherwise hidden pattern strings is worth it.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
joyjoy8

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Jun 29, 2004, 4:43 pm

In Texas the TLC uses the same balls and the same machines for both draws, changing machines and balls on the first day of each month. That would "seem" that it would be one continous draw. They also do 4 sets of pre-test before each draw, (which I consider {cheating} lol. What that means to me is that I am never doing a rundown or using a system on the last number drawn. Out of the thousands and thousand of dollars collected each day by the TLC. Average payout is usually less than 400 winners EXACT plays! .............................................Joy

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