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reikihealer's avatar - chi

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I have started testing using both systems. Results have been great and consistent. I play in Georgia. Anyone here wish to discuss, I would enjoy learning more and would share the few things I have found. I am open to disucssion here on via PM. (Or should I post this under "systems"). Thanking you in advance.


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    Reikihealer........please share publicly your findings....I am sure it will benefit all of us Georgia players....thanks for your post

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      Hello Chouquounette~

      I will gladly post here. I have learned so much by others sharing in the same way.



      I have only been testing for a few days but this is what I have found testing for Georgia.



      I have always treated a Cash 3 game with both midday and evening drawings as separate games. Using the Wild Wheel and Crunch, I have seen better results combing the two games.



      I have gone back for the past year and I am about halfway thru looking at it on a week by week basis. The win results have been consistent. I use the last 6 winning numbers as my input data and enter that into the Wild Wheel. I leave all filters on but select only singles.



      I then take those results and copy into the input data of the Crunch and then add the last 167 winning numbers. I leave all of the HIGH/LOW and ODD/EVEN filters on. I use sum range 5-22 and root sums 0-9. For key numbers I choose only those numbers that were in the last two winning draws. I select only singles.



      The results as we have already seen on this message board

      are ranked by priorities, usually anywhere from 1-5. The priorities relate to how many times the winning number has been drawn. Example, priority 3 meaning that number has been drawn 3 times in some form during the last 167 draws.



      I have found that most of the winning numbers seem to come from the middle priorities, although a good share can be found in the priority 1.



      I have found the winning numbers mostly as a boxed combination but every week's results (to be played the following week) almost always have contained 1 or 2 numbers that won straight.



      There was discussion on this board of using the last 220 draws as input data in the Crunch. I tried both and 167 seems to be the best to use for Georgia.



      I also tried turning off filters HHH/LLL and OOO/EEE but results were best with all turned on. Also tested using all sum range 0-27 and selecting doubles but just ended up with too many results.



      Still trying to narrow down the playing field but haven't done that yet. Hoping someone might have discovered an even better way to narrow it down.



      I did notice that as were told, the results to play are ranked. A lot of the winning numbers do come off the first 10 or 20 numbers in the priority. When looking at priority 1, I have found winners in the first few numbers and some in the last few.



      I found that updating the list once a week would give pretty good results. In fact, I might be wrong but it looked better than trying to update it daily.



      I might not have shared anything more than what others have already known but this is what I have found for Georgia.



      Below are the results for last weeks test and the winning numbers that were there. I used input data thru 7/7 and this list was to be used to play 7/8 thru 7/14. You will see a straight win for 7/15 also. This was before I decided that it was just best to run the systems and produce a list of numbers to play for 1 week.



      Test Results (GA combined) (input draw data last 6 thru 7/7/04 evening)

      Wild Wheel 3

      PICK 3 Box/Straight Master System

      Date: Fri Jul 16 07:11:56 EDT 2004

      Draw entries: 6

      523 151 413 389 878 720

      Filter Settings

      High/Low: HHH HHL HLL LLL

      Odd/Even: OOO OOE OEE EEE

      Num.Type: Singles



      Playing Suggestions: 51

      496 640 690 260 560 642 645 692 695 562         

      490 746 760 796 240 290 436 492 495 540           

      590 630 639 762 765 502 542 592 632 635           

      740 749 790 430 439 705 736 742 745 792           

      795 230 239 432 435 530 539 730 739 732         

      735



      The Crunch PICK 3 Reduction System

      Date: Fri Jul 16 07:29:58 EDT 2004

      Entries: 208

      260 560 642 645 692 695 562 240 290 436 492 495 540 590 630 639 762 765 502 542 592 632 635 430 439 705 736 742 745 792 795 230 239 432 435 530 539 730 739 732 735

      /+L/

      523 151 413 389 878 720 423 587 754 368 084 845 313 030 301 203 331 659 761 253 944 535 882 631 985 996 065 975 381 664 407 578 185 521 526 512 128 553 072 024 589 317 780 261 839 034 364 370 780 717 003 236 224 031 342 550 594 142 580 910 048 140 778 126 429 060 727 547 465 907 562 413 033 101 148 959 908 300 741 307 402 172 698 085 815 264 269 599 467 257 218 334 164 405 959 573 505 667 574 427 000 308 385 003 405 319 387 185 267 563 132 676 645 213 469 236 161 718 233 085 847 567 167 742 088 411 706 012 151 447 737 588 041 498 671 591 854 418 530 027 503 026 851 480 618 385 141 860 248 666 437 099 704 015 906 559 052 675 533 783 200 091 506 032 304 589 499

      Filter Selections:

      High Digits: 3,2,1,0

      Even Digits: 3,2,1,0                                           

      Sum Range : 05,06,07,08,09,10,11,12,13,14,         

                  14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22                                         

      Root Sums : 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9                             

      Key Numbers: 1,2,3,5                                         

      Types      : 1                                                       

      Filter Selections:

      High Digits: 3,2,1,0

      Even Digits: 3,2,1,0                                           

      Sum Range : 05,06,07,08,09,10,11,12,13,14,         

                  14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22                                         

      Root Sums : 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9                             

      Key Numbers: 1,2,3,5                                         

      Types      : 1                                                       

      Priority : 4

      745(754,547,574) 185(815,185,851)

      Priority : 3

      432(423,342) 562(526,562) 240(024,402) 730(370,307) 720(072,027) 645(465,645) 632(236,236) 560(065,506) 230(203,032) 540(405,405) 985(589,589) 430(034,304) 742(427,742) 580(085,085) 761(167,671) 765(567,675) 530(530,503)

      Priority : 2

      523(253) 695(659) 587(578) 389(839) 436(364) 795(975) 495(594) 521(512) 413(413) 492(429) 642(264) 692(269) 261(126) 762(267) 128(218) 635(563) 735(573) 260(026) 845(854) 502(052) 140(041) 148(418) 910(091) 132(213) 385(385) 387(783)

      Priority : 1

      290 368 590 630 639 542 592 631 439 705 736 381 792 239 435 539 739 732 317 142 741 172 257 164 308 319 718 591 618 248 437 015



      Forgive me for not understanding how to make the winners that resulted from this list show up in BOLD or RED. I tried the buttons above my message but that did not seem to work. Anyway, this is what happened last week:



      518 drawn 7/8 midday

      753 drawn 7/8 evening

      029 drawn 7/11 evening

      923 drawn 7/12 midday

      243 drawn 7/14 midday

      645 drawn 7/14 evening STRAIGHT

      430 drawn 7/15 midday STRAIGHT



      I will follow this message with this week's results.



      Thank you all and if anyone has any way to narrow this field, I would enjoy reading about it. I know that I have more homework to do regarding sums, roots, etc. .

                                                                   

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        Following are the results of using the Wild Wheel and the Crunch for Georgia for a list of numbers to play 7/15 thru 7/21.



        Test Results (GA combined) (input draw data last 6 thru 7/14/04 eve)

        Wild Wheel 3

        PICK 3 Box/Straight Master System

        Date: Fri Jul 16 13:35:30 EDT 2004

        Draw entries: 6

        645 243 086 682 244 923

        Filter Settings

        High/Low: HHH HHL HLL LLL

        Odd/Even: OOO OOE OEE EEE

        Num.Type: Singles

        Playing Suggestions: 80

        751 701 971 501 705 951 975 731 871 901         

        907 531 753 761 851 875 905 561 765 031           

        703 801 807 891 897 931 973 061 067 503           

        714 805 895 953 961 967 065 514 754 965           

        831 873 903 908 104 163 704 763 853 861

        867 914 974 504 563 865 954 803 893 063

        134 734 814 874 904 963 968 164 534 764

        854 034 804 863 894 934 064 964 834 864



        The Crunch PICK 3 Reduction System

        Date: Fri Jul 16 13:54:42 EDT 2004

        Entries: 235

        751 501 705 951 975 731 531 753 761 851 875 905 561 765 703 931 973 061 067 503 714 805 895 953 961 967 065 514 754 965 831 873 903 104 163 704 763 853 861 867 914 974 504 563 865 954 803 893 063 134 734 814 874 904 963 164 534 764 854 034 804 863 894 934 064 964 834 864

        /+L/

        243 645 682 086 923 244 029 238 225 131 966 518 753 523 151 413 389 878 720 423 587 754 368 084 845 313 030 301 203 331 659 761 253 944 535 882 631 985 996 065 975 381 664 407 578 185 521 526 512 128 553 072 024 589 317 780 261 839 034 364 370 780 717 003 236 224 031 342 550 594 142 580 910 048 140 778 126 429 060 727 547 465 907 562 413 033 101 148 959 908 300 741 307 402 172 698 085 815 264 269 599 467 257 218 334 164 405 959 573 505 667 574 427 000 308 385 003 405 319 387 185 267 563 132 676 645 213 469 236 161 718 233 085 847 567 167 742 088 411 706 012 151 447 737 588 041 498 671 591 854 418 530 027 503 026 851 480 618 385 141 860 248 666 437 099 704 015

        Filter Selections:

        High Digits: 3,2,1,0     

        Even Digits: 3,2,1,0

        Sum Range : 05,06,07,08,09,10,11,12,13,14,         

                    14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22                       

        Root Sums : 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9

        Key Numbers: 2,3,4,5,6

        Types      : 1

        Results: 96

        Priority : 6

        851(518,185,815,185,851)

        Priority : 4

        754(754,547,574) 804(084,048,480) 805(580,085,085) 761(761,167,671)

        Priority : 3

        875(587,578) 243(423,342) 895(985,589) 893(389,839) 753(753,573) 134(413,413) 703(370,307) 645(465,645) 720(072,027) 854(845,854) 704(407,704) 104(140,041) 504(405,405) 814(148,418) 853(385,385) 503(530,503)

        Priority : 2

        975(975) 523(253) 731(317) 965(659) 065(065) 163(631) 831(381) 863(368) 521(512) 714(741) 954(594) 034(034) 526(562) 261(126) 931(319) 024(402) 765(567) 873(387) 951(591) 128(218) 067(706) 764(467) 803(308) 164(164) 086(860) 563(563) 501(015) 874(847) 236(236) 964(469) 861(618) 894(498) 734(437) 427(742) 132(213)

        Priority : 1

        751 705 682 923 029 531 238 905 561 973 061 953 961 967 514 203 903 763 867 914 974 865 063 904 963 534 364 934 064 834 864 142 429 172 264 269 257 267 026 248



        Again, forgive me for not being able to figure out how to make the winners in BOLD or RED, but here is how it has turned out so far this week:



        430 drawn 7/15 midday (The results here showed up as 034

        for this week but if you notice in the previous post, it showed up as 430 which would have won straight.....)



        854 drawn 7/17 evening STRAIGHT



        I see that this list has not produced as many winners this week but it's not over yet. This list was for 7/15-7/21.



        I also see that we had 6 priorities this time instead of the usual 5.



        I hope this helps someone and I also hope that others might have something to add to this.



        I would like to say that the guys at WheelWorld have been very helpful.



        Thanks again.

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          thanks from ga.

          love to nibble those micey feet.

           

                                       

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            Reikihealer, you might consider limiting your sums to 9 to 19.  Here is my current count for California.  Should be close for all states:




            00=1


            01=5


            02=4


            03=12


            04=22


            05=24


            06=33


            07=48


            08=45


            09=85


            10=97


            11=75


            12=87


            13=91


            14=87


            15=79


            16=101


            17=75


            18=68


            19=53


            20=39


            21=32


            22=28


            23=19


            24=20


            25=7


            26=2


            27=1




            Notice that the totals drop off significantly below 9 and above 19.  Also, you might track the Highs and Lows.  I just started doing that, but I think it will be a good filter to use when I see a good pattern.  Right now, if the last draw was say HHL, then I look back to see what followed 2 highs and do a count.  I then use that as my filter. 

            I usually try to guess if the draw will be an ODD sum or an EVEN sum.  But, I will warn you that when you start using too many filters, you start missing out.  By the way, just highlight the word(s) you want in bold by dragging your mouse over it and then press the "B" and color (if you want).  I usually type past the word I want to change and go back and do it.  Sometimes, if you stop and do it, then you continue with the bold as you type!  Then you have to highlight that and "unbold" it!!


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              reikihealer,

              I just noticed the topic. It is great to see another Crunch - Wild Wheel 3 discussion started.

              I am currently working on the next CRUNCH version, which is really a complete redesign, rather than an update. It of course has all the current features still implemented, but will have way more selection options available, for evaluation of any kind of data.

              Good Luck!

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                Sounds great, Mike.  I'm looking forward to the new program(s).

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                      Sounds great, Mike.  I'm looking forward to the new program(s). will it work with vtrac  root and sum i hope you can get this in the program

                  GOOD LUCK.

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                    Certainly. Is already implemented in the version I am testing with... I have to show you that shortly, Bill. Pretty wild!

                    Good Luck!

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                      Quote:

                      For key numbers I choose only those numbers that were in the last two winning draws. I select only singles.

                      Unquote

                      I think both (especially the using only numbers from last 2 draws is a mistake).  It does not work in California and it doesn't even work in Georgia.

                      Here are the last 12 draws in Georgia.  I have highlighted in red the draws you would have missed either because you disregarded doubles or only played numbers in the last 2 draws.  The number to the right of the = mark shows how many draws back you would have had to go to get all 3 digits in the number drawn.

                      488 = 1

                      854 = 6

                      313 = 1

                      113 = 3

                      790 = 12

                      810 = 12

                      430 = 2

                      645 = 7

                      243 = 4

                      086 = 4

                      682 =5

                      244 = 12

                      So, in the last 12 draws you have eliminated the winning numbers in 11 of the draws. 


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                        Calif,

                        I think we are talking key numbers here, not "only" numbers. Using the last two drawings as key numbers eliminates at least a few numbers.I used that in the the orinigal CRUNCH examples, and it does work fine.  It emulates a HOT/COLD selection by making sure taht at least a few recent numbers are in teh selection. It is more than likely that the following drawing contains at least one number from the previous 2 drawings.

                        Good Luck!

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                          Oh, yeah..Sorry. I was thinking of another system that a couple of us are working on that uses only a few numbers.  I had that on my mind.  Sorry about the confusion.

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                            Just wanted to say how much I appreciate all of the replies that my post received. It has all been a tremendous help. I still learn every day and it has been great.



                            Wish I were as patient as everyone has been. LOL.

                            Thanks again.

                            LOL


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                              Reikihealer.....do u think you could post a few numbers for midday and evening for GA...and then we can see if this method id really working.....thanks