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States Using RNGs.

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Posted: August 3, 2004, 8:22 pm - IP Logged

Which states use RNGs to select their winning numbers?

 

I know IN, CA, DE, DC, WI, MO, PA (Mid-day only), LA, NM, NE, and KS use RNGs (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), but what other states use RNGs or are about to use RNGs to select winning numbers?

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    I figure this way, we'll have a list of states that we shouldn't play in too often.

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      Posted: August 4, 2004, 12:02 am - IP Logged

      MN as well.

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        Doc, I agree. I feel that, with the use of mechanical devices, at least there are factors that can be localized, at times, to at least give the player an edge. Even if only in our own minds. Using a RNG takes away any advantage the player may or may not have totally and as far as I'm concerned it takes away the fun of trying to beat the "System".

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          that's why i started this topic.

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            Posted: August 7, 2004, 12:25 am - IP Logged

            Oregon as well (I think).

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              Ok.  Here's a list of the states that use RNGs so far.  Once again, corrcet me if I am wrong.

              IN, CA, DE, DC, WI, MO, PA (Mid-day only), LA, NM, NE, KS, MN, and OR.

              If you know of any other states that use RNGs to draw winning numbers, please add to this forum.

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                While it is possible for a Program to produce Random Numbers to be started at precisely the same System Timer point as done previously on an identical Computer using the same Program to produce the same numbers as before the logistics in doing something like this unoticed are almost impossible.

                It would require the introduction of a substitute program and in these days of very sophisticated viruses with people that specialise in there detection to do something like that in an area under intense scrutiny is well nigh impossible.

                Regarding whether Computer Produced Random Numbers are somehow overall different to those from Mechanical Devices -  if this was the case it would show up when I did say a 10,000 Draw Run and compared one against the other. Any hint of bias can be detected. Why is the assumption always made if there is bias (and I don't believe there is) that it goes the Lotto Operators way?

                From my recent work on Pick 4 and creating a RNG to emulate that from the Mechanical Devices I can tell you talk about using some unsophisticated algorithm obtained from the internet is rubbish. In my own case I had to modify my RNG that worked perfectly well for Pick 6 and PowerBall Games to get the results I was looking for.

                I would agree with Todd and others that it is more transparent to use Mechanical Devices but talk about the Randomness being somehow inferior is nonsense. Show me one statistical difference between them?

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                  Posted: August 7, 2004, 11:08 am - IP Logged

                  Colin,

                  Check yesterday's Oregon Pick 4 results for an example of poor randomness.

                   

                  Check the State Lottery Report Card
                  What grade did your lottery earn?

                   

                  Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
                  Help eliminate computerized drawings!

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                    todd:

                    that was a mistake.  i checked the OR website, and they corrected it.

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                      Posted: August 7, 2004, 1:46 pm - IP Logged

                      Maybe it's a good example of a

                       

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                        Quote: Originally posted by Colin F on August 07, 2004



                        From my recent work on Pick 4 and creating a RNG to emulate that from the Mechanical Devices I can tell you talk about using some unsophisticated algorithm obtained from the internet is rubbish.

                        Colin





                        While I'm happy you've taken such a scientific approach to disprove theories put forth on this forum, I can assure you that Indiana using an RNG they downloaded from a public site on the internet is not conjecture, butfact. That's exactly how they've been able to get away with this for so long - people dismissing the situation out-of-hand as "rubbish," rather than looking at the truth. It took a considerable amount of time and trouble to obtain the information I've gathered on this issue, and I will challenge anyone who says they disagree with or refute that information as being untrue. Everything I've posted on the Hoosier Lottery, and their crooked operation, can be verified through independent sources, since the bulk of my data is freely available to the public. 

                        If you have evidence to the contrary, the proper thing to do would be to present it here. Don't attack and minimize the results of my efforts by stating they're untrue or, worse, that they're not even worth hearing. 

                        You want to see a non-random draw? Look at Indiana's daily games draw histories since 1999. Then compare their daily game payouts to those of states such as Virginia, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Iowa or any other state with a lesser population than Indiana.

                        To correct your obvious misinformation, I recommend calling Janna Shisler. She's the Hoosier Lottery's legal counsel, or Joe Pfister, their CPA. You can reach either of them at: (317) 264-4650. Ask what brand of RNG they use. Tell them you want to know the name of the manufacturer. Then ask them why they don't conduct live drawings as required by state law. Tell them you'd also like to know exactly what their liability limits are.

                        Your "work on Pick 4 and creating a RNG to emulate that..." doesn't prove squat, except maybe that you've learned how to write a "randomize" statement. What I don't get, and what you don't say, is how you go from there directly to the definite conclusion you reach at the end of your sentence, but with nothing in between to explain how you've come to that result. It's like saying, " Since I drove my car 26 miles yesterday, I can tell you my supper will be ready at 6:38." One element of the statement does not support the other, so what is it, exactly, about your work on the Pick-4, or "creating" an RNG that emulates mechanical drawing devices (a statement which requires its own proof), that leads you to conclude that the facts I spent a year uncovering are "rubbish?"

                        In the future, get your facts straight before declaring to the world that mine are worthless.

                         


                         

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                          ok.  this is starting to become off the topic.  the only reason i started this topic was so we could have a list of the states that use RNGs to help everyone out when deciding whether or not to play too much on numbers while in the state.

                          I've redone my website.  Go to www.dr-ew.com.  I kept a lot of the old stuff, and I've added some new stuff.  Look for more new stuff in the coming weeks.


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                            I'm not fazed too much by tirades. I have my flippant side and my serious side. You're encroaching on the latter.

                            I have perused some of your Posts regarding your beef with Indiana Lotteries and they fall very much into the category of tirades too. Previously I had done nothing on Pick 3 or Pick 4 so I was not in a position to dispute what you were saying.

                            I say categorically to you that a simple algorithm downloaded from the Web would not produce a satisfactory History for Pick 3 or Pick 4.

                            I have tested Indianna Pick 3 and Pick 4 and found nothing too be concerned about as far as randomness is concerned; in other words they are producing Histories that are not at variance with other Lotto operators.

                            Now, if you want me to produce a report page and upload it to my website I can do that in due course.

                            I am only interested in the truth not ranting and ravings.

                            Colin


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                              Jim695

                              At the time I posted I had looked at the Percentage of 24W, 12W, 6W, 4W and repeats and had done 3x500 Runs of 10 Selections and there was nothing much there to get me excited. However, subsequent runs with extremely poor results are making me look at things a little askance.

                              We'll see I'm still getting too know the extremes for Pick 3 and Pick 4 and what a somewhat over or above result can give in the long term. I can tell you in pick 6 it is not unusual to have identical results for lower prize totals in a reasonable run.

                              My intention is not to undermine your efforts but simply to go where the truth and facts lead me. Now I don't know if you've got any Irish in you but there's a bit in me from my mother's side (blessings in abundance be upon her) and it doesn't take much to get it up; I swear Todd's got a bit of Irish in him too.

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                              I'll keep you informed.
                              Colin