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How ironic, I just heard this same information today and was stunned. I didn't believe it. I think it is under the guise of imminent domain. The discussion was paying off your house and having no mortgage the government can take it. They wouldn't consider if you owed taxes and your have a mortgage. Something to consider if you ever become a lottery winner. I have always felt, never, never have a mortgage.

Have you heard now what's going on in PA. You may own the land that was sold to you, but you have no claim or rights to the resources beneath the land; i.e. fracking rights. There are some lawsuits going on right now. Person says he sold the land , but only what's above the land not underground. It's very interesting legally speaking.

That's nothing new, Soledad; mineral rights can be separate from property ownership and are in most of the energy producing states. Google "Mineral rights by state" to get a breakdown and learn for yourself, because it's obvious to me from my past interactions you won't listen to someone who actually knows something about the subject.

(Before I continue, I will say that I think this separation of mineral rights from the land was a bad idea, but the horse is already out of the barn and is long gone, there's no turning back. It's not just that the landowner can sell the rights to any oil or gas or even coal under their land, but that they can also sell the water)

Also, your ignorance about fracking (hydraulic fracturing) is massive. There is no such thing as "fracking rights". Hydraulic fracturing is often part of the well completion process and consists of water, sand and a few chemicals (most of which are harmless and can be found in many food products and most of the ones that can be considered dangerous can also be found under most kitchen sinks.) being pumped down the well bore to fracture the formation as so to facilitate the flow of oil and/or natural gas; the sand is mixed with the fracking fluid so that it will lodge in the minute cracks and crevices and keep them open.

Hydraulic fracturing has been used in hundreds of thousands of wells since the late 40's and there have only been a handful of cases where the procedure has caused any significant pollution and those were due to being used where it shouldn't have been, i.e. in shallow wells where the water table was separated from the producing formation by only a few feet or in formations that weren't suitable for the process to be used. A few more were from casing failure or well operator errors in cementing the casing, which allowed hydrocarbons to migrate to water zones along the outside of the pipe. Any other groundwater pollution was from surface spills and even those have been a small number.

Plus, most of the water and chemicals don't remain in the well; it's either recaptured and re-used (in the completion of another well in the same production field) when the fluid is forced to the surface via gas pressure or is pumped up along with the oil that's being produced. The fluid is then either re-injected into a deep formation via a "disposal well" or trucked to a facility where it's reconditioned and then re-used.

The main controversy now about fracking is those same disposal wells causing earthquakes, namely in Oklahoma, but that's another side-subject and another there's much to-do over nothing. Sure, there seems to be a correlation between disposal wells and small earthquakes, but one of the rules of scientific study is that correlation does not equal causation. (and progressives say we conservatives hate science!)

Still, the facts can be presented time and time again to the "anti-frackers" but they'll never accept them...because it doesn't suit their agenda. A few yrs. back I was going back and forth with someone vehemently opposed to hydraulic fracturing/fracking and they told me it should be banned EVERYWHERE, permanently! When I informed her that would put hundreds of thousands of people out of work, she was still adamantly opposed to it. (of course, SHE wouldn't lose her job...at least she didn't think she would) I told her it was an essential method of completing a well, what would we do for energy...at least until wind and solar became viable...or what we'd do with the million other uses for oil and gas, like fertilizer, medicines, clothing, etc....she said "Well, do like they did before they started fracking." I informed her the issue she was so dead set against was the current method of HYDRAULIC fracturing; before the late 40's, they used nitroglycerine to fracture formations. Oh yeah, that's a LOT safer procedure. - snicker -

It then dawned on me that even faced with the facts and statistics and yes, even science itself, they were still opposed to it, actually AFRAID of it, that it wasn't the method nearly as much as the harsh-sounding word "FRACKING". I suspect if it was called something "cute", like "poofering", then they wouldn't fear it so much.

You know they're snowflakes when they're scared of hard consonants.

Thanks for assuming so much about me "MikeinTecas" wherever in Texas you are. You're a racist <snip> and don't deny it. Go to hell and f yourself while you're at it.

Let me put it in words that will not get snippited, tu eres un cabron "MikeinTexas", un descraciado bugaron. Tuyo

Let me put it in words that will not get snippited, tu eres un cabron "MikeinTexas", un descraciado bugaron. Tuyo

Didn't have to assume anything about you, you've made it quite clear just what you are.   You're a useful idiot and an abjectly ignorant one at that, a progtard IOW. You need to not post about things of which you know nothing.

Me, a racist? You're projecting, cariño.

Sounds like the vapid little lonely girl snowflake Soledad got triggered by me schooling her! (points and laughs) She (is a) Can't Understand Normal Thinking (type of person).

BTW, you only have to hit "Post Comment" once. I understand, though, how your keyboard got wet, what with you spitting with unhinged rage.

I'm not a girl you idiot. I don't go looking for trouble but if trouble comes looking for me I don't back away from it. "Useful little idiot". "Massive"? The way you talk is just plain ridiculous. Im not sure what you understand and I don't really care one bit about "MikeinTexas" Go take you're stupid sense of superiority and wipe your ass with it. Oh wow "MikeinTexas" had something to say, wow we're all so lucky. Rage? Boy you must be the idiot. I just don't like you and you're wasting my time trying to have a conversation with me. So the sooner the better "MikeinTexas". We all can't be "MikeinTexas" Sorry "MikeinTexas" and good luck preaching "MikeinTexas" a*****e

I just figured you were a girl because you're certainly not much of a man and apparently your daddy wasn't much of one, either. You have the emotional depth of a 13 yr. old girl, that's for sure. So, yeah, I was wrong, you're NOT a PR drag queen, you're an Internet tough guy wannabe. You got me shakin' in my boots. -snicker-

If you think the way I talk is ridiculous, it's because you're not bright enough to understand. Of course you don't like me; people like you don't respect their betters.

Ok I'll take it to the next level because you started this with youre "I already know how you are " stuff in the beginning. It is normal for a person to argue with themself that they are right with their own reasons for their own sake. Only a wise person will fight for and admit that it is their own fault to start an argument with others. You have this way of chronically blaming others and pointing the finger saying everyone is at fault instead of yourself. In your mind you are always right. There is no point to talk to you. Do you even play the lotto? Why are you here? Besides to do what I just said. Goodbye

You make no sense whatsoever; pretty early in the day to be drinkin', ain't it?

I never blamed anyone for anything, at least not here in L.P., politicians notwithstanding. Not sure where that's coming from unless it's another one of your alcohol-induced delusions.

I merely pointed out - correctly - that you know nothing about fracking. "Fracking rights." LMAO I've already forgotten more about the oil field than you'll ever know.

You can take it to whatever level you want, hombre. I can handle you easy enough, you're low-hanging fruit, just a warmup for more intelligent debates (hard to find in here, though). Discussing anything with you is akin to pulling wings off flies...I should be ashamed, but am not because flies are lowly creatures. About the most you can ever do is buzz around and bother people. Now, go on back to the mierda that is your life and where you live.