It's Science! Or is it Religion?

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The anti carbon bigots are pounding the table so hard I am wondering if they are simply just zealots.

Does their CO2 analysis vs climate change include everything they don't know and didn't think of?

If they do know everything then the arguments should be calm and simple.

I have yet to see any convincing report or analysis that shows that the zealots do indeed know everything.

Could someone please point me to an analysis or report that truly shows that these scientists know everything?

Thanks

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Avatar Jackyl -
#1
Unfortunately you can not post links on here, there is tons of facts on the web if you wanna research it, the republican party are the only ones in the WORLD that do not believe in climate change, and it is usually for capital gain or political gain, there the first ones to attack the EPA, and promote burning of fossil fuels and reduce going green budgets.
Avatar jarasan -
#2
The climate is always going to change, it has been for 4.5 billion years. But you have libtard talking points repeated in comment#1 out of shear ignorance. Republicans also want to kill babies right?? Yeah I thought so.
Avatar amber123 -
#3
Science does not claim it knows everything, but it grows more insightful as more evidence shows itself.

For me personally, there's two sides. Surely the planet has gone thru heck and back many times over without our interference and still remains intact, but it's ignorant to think that Humanity doesn't have a significant role in speeding up the natural processes, meaning Humans may be influencing the natural cycles on Earth for the worse.

You have to remember that when this planet was going cold and hot many times over, people didn't exist, but now they do, so even the slightest change is noticeable. This should be the crux of the situation, not political influences.

These slight changes may not be significant enough to worry about now, but the future is uncertain. All this data on both sides can't include the Human reaction because Humans were not in the studies since they didn't exist, and inanimate objects didn't care back then, but we Humans do exist now, so it's a whole different ballgame, and that has to be considered.
Avatar konane -
#4
Think, I posted this link in my blog if you care to check it out. The article seems pretty balanced in that CO2 is what plants 'breathe in' to live, just as we humans breathe in oxygen.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/27/academics-global-warming-created-so-many-new-plants-they-made-earth-colder/?utm_campaign=thedcmainpage&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social
Avatar Jackyl -
#5
I thought for some reason I couldn't post links on this site, must have read wrong, Newbie, :)
Avatar jarasan -
#6
Two volcanoes walked into a bar an Alaskan and an Italian super Mario Caldera. They will affect the weather in the next few weeks more than we have over the past 20000.
Avatar Think -
#7
@ Konane, Jarsan

If you google co2 to ethanol, co2 to baking soda, co2 to methanol or co2 to any number of things you will find that SCIENTISTS have found several cheap and easy ways to remove co2 from the atmosphere.

I only noticed this because my electric rates have doubled, for the exact same usage, after Obamas war on coal. There wasn't any reason for them to double except for the ignorance, arrogance and knee-jerk stupidity of the zealots.

I only point this out now because of the unnecessary shackles of the knee-jerk climate agreement.

If anybody wants to send me money for the damages inflicted on me by the war on coal please feel free to do so.

Otherwise end the war on coal and build clean coal plants and Co2 harvesting plants!
Avatar jarasan -
#8
CO2 .041% of atmosphere total that means that 99.959% are other gases like Nitrogen, Oxygen, Argon, CO, Co3 etc.
Avatar Jackyl -
#9
Totally agree with amber123 on this, screw up the slightest thing in an ecosystem, and all things could could just fall apart, Albert Einstein quote : “If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe, then man would have only four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man.” im sure you have heard this before, point being, we just dont know, but really should find out and take appropriate measures to stop any possible disastrous reactions the earth might have because of human interaction.
Avatar jarasan -
#10
@Jackyl that is deep thinking taken to another level!!!!!!! Great post!!!!!!

What if you didn't do that next blunt???    What will happen the next time you flush the toilet? What will happen the next time you exhale all that newly created dangerous extra CO2?? How are you going to give back all that oxygen you've been stealing??? What are the consequences of all that ecosystem molestation YOU have been committing???   Why are you using a computer or any electrical device??????
Avatar Jackyl -
#11
@ jarhead, Your a freakin joke, you just dont have a care in the world of do you... youll probably live forever huh !!! so what frat house are you living in today,? and will there be beer bong tonight ?, or are you some punk kid in the junior high stealing time on the computer, as far i can tell, or about as useful as a bat brick.. hey, here's an idea, wake up... get a job, care about something other then blowing your mouth off in a blog room, and trying to be someone...!!!!
Avatar MADDOG10 -
#12
Well guys I see we have another comedian from the Libtonian university ( Physco ward). He/she couldn't take the heat ( truth), so right away out comes the name calling. Wow, all of that, and NOTHING. I wonder if it's wearing yellow shoes (twinkies) for the DNC party?.
Avatar jarasan -
#13
@jackawfawlthetime, critical thinking, knowledge, history, science, and deep internet research are not something you are familiar with. Are they?

jackawfawlthetime you are just another lemming, dipsh1t, gullible, kool-aid drinking libtarded tool.
Avatar mikeintexas -
#14
I could go on about scientists getting caught fudging the data or that many of their predictions haven't come true, but won't, at least not unless someone wants me to elaborate. You SHOULD know this if you're going to be objective about climate change and have not only read articles that support your views, but those that don't.

The problems I have with this "warming" trend the scientists tout is with comparing current temperature data with that of 50- 100 yrs. ago and is mainly with the quality of the instruments.(bulb-type thermometers back then, digital now)

In the first place, weather monitoring stations that were once a mile outside of an city are now in town or very close to it, thanks to urban sprawl and due to higher temperatures from concrete and blacktop roadways, will of course show increasing temperatures over the course of time in the long term records. ( I worked for the Texas Hwy Dept. for the summer right before I went to college and the air temperature standing on the roadway could be as high as 20 deg. hotter than just standing off it on the dirt/grass right-of-way.)

There is also the matter of parallax error when reading a thermometer; if some short person read the instrument while having to look up at where the alcohol or mercury was on the scale, the temperature will be higher than it actually is. If a taller person reads it, it will look lower. Sure, not a huge difference, but we ARE talking about accuracy in data, right?

Also, it depends upon what type of thermometer was being used. Mercury forms a pronounced meniscus - a "bulge" upwards if you will in a thermometer that can exceed 1 deg. C. and many observers incorrectly observe the temperature as the base of the meniscus rather than its peak. An alcohol thermometer's meniscus creates a small cavity, not a bulge.

Temperature cycles in the glass bulb of a thermometer harden the glass and shrink over time, a 10 yr old -20 to +50c thermometer will give a false high reading of around 0.7C
Over time, repeated high temperature cycles cause alcohol thermometers to evaporate vapor into the vacuum at the top of the thermometer, creating false low temperature readings of up to 5C.

Then there's the glass itself; up until not all that long ago, glass for thermometers was hand blown and even the finest hand blown set of crystal glassware will vary from goblet-to-goblet. Even modern thermometers can differ from one to another; maybe one has some air bubbles near the surface on the inside of the bulb; more friction for the liquid inside to over come and less in one more smooth. I would say with certainty that those older thermometers had even more flaws and variances from one to the other.

There's also human nature at play here. What if you check the temperature at a station in the morning and I do in the afternoon? As I've seen in many instances of other required duties (such as collecting formation samples every ten feet while drilling), you might be conscientious and slog through the snow to get the reading, while if I'm in a hurry to get to my usual after work glass of whisky while sitting in front of the roaring fire at the local pub, then I might just say "Oh, what the heck, it feels about as cold to me as it was yesterday." and put down whatever figure I thought would pass muster...and scamper on down to the bar to get warm. That data is worthless, the same as an incorrect reading.

Then there's the problem of conversion; before 1960, temperature was measured in Fahrenheit but now nearly all scientists use and record temperature reading in Centigrade. Where the data really starts getting out-of-whack is when that old data (which might not have been all that accurate to being with, as I mentioned above. Also, most of the readings were done in even numbers - 60 deg., 62, 64, etc. When that 60F is converted to Centigrade, the scientist comes up with 15.55555556, but for the sake of brevity(and to fit onto the conversion sheet), they shorten that to 15.55 C. What happened to the rest of the numbers? Sure, it's just a fraction of the original number but when dealing with massive amts. of data, don't you think it would eventually add up? (or down)

Lastly, I would want to see a larger data set from modern temperature measuring devices, but they too have their problems. There's the problem of "drift", common to nearly all electrical devices. (sometimes computer problems can be caused by an error in the clock, that's why I make sure mine is synchronized with the NST Time service. Ever wonder why your bedside clock will gain or lose a few minutes? That's drift) A digital temperature measuring device is no better than a glass bulb thermometer if it's not regularly calibrated and if not, the error can be even more pronounced.

BTW, I have a degree in Industrial Instrumentation and the above is in the first course you take for that degree: Instrumentation 101.

Sorry for any grammatical errors; I banged that out very quickly.
Avatar jarasan -
#15
Mike, thank you. Excellent real world, facts and knowledge.
Avatar konane -
#16
Wow Mike just read your post. Was aware of weather station placement. However had no clue about variations in thermometers and conversions.

Follow the $$$ to the desired agenda.

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