3/14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncj_Y3POK24

4/14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDGMV4D__4I&feature=related

I watched Joseph Campbell's "Transformation of Myth Through Time" airing in the late '80's on PBS several times. As this movie pointed out, names change a tad but same general message.

So, Pac. Are you saying that people who believe in God believe in a myth? The difference is that science has proven that the sun is a star, but science has never proven that God doesn't exist.   In fact, many doubting scientists become believers after they are humbled by their discoveries.

Justx, just because science hasn't proven that god doesen't exist, doesen't mean that he does. Again, like i said before, why is god always a default system for things not understood?

Science can't disprove the existence of the "Flying Spaghetti monster" that revolves around the sun, but that dosen't mean it exists either.

The human brain is always looking to find patterns and order in a world of chaos and turmoil. It's hard wired in every human brain. People back then didn't have the knowledge we have today, so in order to keep the order, they had to devise some way to create a story that punished the evil doers. Scare tacticts is what it is.

I could literally spend 3 hours writing about organized religion and it's hypocricies, but I'll spare you. However, if you want to really get a good perspective, I suggest watching the movie. In my entire search for the truth, I haven't seen anything that even remotely comes close to the accuracy and detail of this film. These people have definitley done their homework.

I'm not trying to force anyone to change their belief systems in any way. If believing in religion gives you solace then good for you. I Just ask people to look at what's out there and judge for themselves.

I truly wish I was wrong about all of this, but after many years of persuing the truth, I've come to the conclusion that all the religions with their strict guidlelines on how to enter heaven the correct way can't be right simultaneously. Only one can be right. Since they all can't be right, a red flag, among many other red flags goes up.

So to answer your original question, yes, it's a myth. Afterall, when you have a dozen different stories about a dozen gods and deities, to me those are myths.

In the movie, it brilliantly shows how all religions started with Horus, a sun God in Egypt, He was around a thousand years before Christ, and did just about everything christ did. He died on the cross, rose from the dead, fed the people with fish, and on and on. Not only that, but many other major religions had a deity that they worshipped who did the same exact things that both Horus and christ did. Way after both of them. Talk about plagerism.

In the film, they show how the Zodiac was the main crux of how the religions came in to being. Pointing out one by one what each sign's significance was, and made the connection to how the people at that time thought about it relating to gods.

It talks about Dec25th and the equinox. It talks about how Easter was defined by the Zodiac, bringing a new season of growth, based on the Zodiac, and so forth. It is the latest thing on the net. It's actually an explosion on the net.

There was a point when youtube had to stop showing "Zeitgeist The movie 2007", because so many christians flagged it as inappropriate. My God, what galls. It's ok to spoon feed myths to innocent young kids that they will burn in hell for all of eternity, yet when a non for profit group comes out and tries to educate the people, all hell brakes loose. What a shame.

Science can't prove there is no God, but science has overwhelmingly, in my opinion, and many many others who have studied it, who use their brain to make up their minds, know that science has many clear explanations to even the basic questions.

I would estimate that about 70 to 80 percent of christians believe that the universe is only 6 thousand years old. Whenever I have the opportunity to speak with that group over that subject, I ask them how that could possibly be, considering that the light from didtant galaxies has taken billions of years to reach our eyes. So how could the universe be only 6 thousand years old? Years after asking that question, and getting no answer in return, I finally got one a few months ago on the net.

Now, before I tell you what their answer was about the light question, let me first say that the bible thumpers will dig as deep as it takes to come up with an answer, even if it makes them look rediculous. They claim that when God formed the universe 6 thousand years ago, that he allowed light to travel faster than it's top speed of 186,000 miles per second. So that's how we see the light from distant galaxies. Hmmmmm So,,,,LOL....Now they are going to change the laws of physics to accomodate their burning desire to convert people. Not only do they know which god is right, what his regulations are, what his personality is, but now they know that he forced light to go faster than it could. REALLY? I'd really like to know where in the bible it said that. Now, if i did see that in the bible, then my hairs would stand in the back of my head because that would be a very amzing thing to see. "And God sayeth unto the heavens ( I'm guessing it's in Genesis), Let light speed faster than it can, so I can make the universe in 6 days" "And it was so". C'mon man, will people grow up already.

I'm still waiting for them to explain radio carbon dating methods. Carbon dating measures the carbon in materials and looks at the decay rate, which reads like a fingerprint showing how old something is based on the rate of decay. So now the christians are gonna come out of the woodwork and say what. That God speeded up the decaying rate too. When will this lunacy end?

I guess the dinosaur bones are only 6,000 years old too?

It's all about where you were born. If you were born in India, you'll believe in those deities. If you were born during the Viking days, you beleived in Thor as God. If you were born in Persia, you believe Mohamad was the true messenger and the Quran is the right belief system in order to meet 72 virgins. If you were born in Utah, you'll have good shot at being raised a s a mormon and John Smith was visited by an angel as an added version to the bible. If you were born across town, you might believe in christ and only in the bible. If you were born in Greece, you'll believe in Posieden. If you were born somewhere in Africa, you'd grow up being taught about Joo Joo the monster that lived under the sea.

Just watch the movie already....lol    "Zeitgeist the movie 2007". Just copy and paste this in the youtube search box, or on your browser. The youtube has less stopping. But if you can bear the first 10 minutes of this irregularity which they still haven't fixed, it will run smoothly after that.

Your eyes will be opened. And you'll see that everything we humans have been spoonfed all these years were all lies. With all the deception in this world, do you really believe that religion got a free pass, and wasn't corrupted along with all other corruptions?

You be the judge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Wmnsq3yrk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Wmnsq3yrk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Wmnsq3yrk

Sorry for the mess up. I meant to post this onw justx. This part is only about the horus stuff. only about 10 min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Wmnsq3yrk

Tachyons, read about these back in the 80's. Superluminal ever hear that word before?

No Jarasan, please enlighten me.

Man I keep messing up. This is the one Justx...lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRJlVBQkSSI&feature=related

I'm not a religious zealot, Pac. I don't want to proselytize either, since I still have a long way to go with my own inner healing. However, what you need to start seeing is the change in the people who find peace with their Maker. Don't look for the negative.

continuation of 2/14

below is 3/14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncj_Y3POK24&feature=related

Ok justx, I lay off the FACTS. If facts are negative, then there is no more wasting my energy for those who don't want to learn. Just keep blindly following whatever is told to you, like sheep.

BTW, if you don't belive in Thor, you're gonna burn in a lake of fire forever and ever. Is this negative too, or is this a convenient exception to the rule?

Here is the down and dirty if you do a search there is plenty on them. My point is that there are even things in physics that are entirely theoretical, yet be proven otherwise. The faster than light issue is important, because black holes exist (they were theory first), I believe one of the things that can pass thru a black hole without changing is a tachyon.

From Wikipedia:

A tachyon (from the Greek ταχυόνιον, takhyónion, from ταχύς, takhýs, i.e. swift, fast) is any hypothetical particle that travels at superluminal speed. The first description of tachyons is attributed to German physicist Arnold Sommerfeld; however, it was George Sudarshan, Olexa-Myron Bilaniuk[1][2], Vijay Deshpande[2] and Gerald Feinberg[3] (who originally coined the term in the 1960s) that advanced a theoretical framework for their study. Tachyonic fields have appeared theoretically in a variety of contexts, such as the Bosonic string theory. In the language of special relativity, a tachyon is a particle with space-like four-momentum and imaginary proper time. A tachyon is constrained to the space-like portion of the energy-momentum graph. Therefore, it cannot slow down to subluminal speeds. Even if tachyons were conventional, localisable particles, they would still preserve the basic tenets of causality in special relativity and not allow transmission of information faster than light[3].

Today, in the framework of quantum field theory, tachyons are best understood as signifying an instability of the system and treated using tachyon condensation, rather than as real faster-than-light particles, and such instabilities are described by tachyonic fields. According to the contemporary and widely accepted understanding of the concept of a particle, tachyon particles are too unstable to be treated as existing[4]. By that theory, faster than light information transmission and causality violation with tachyons are impossible on both grounds: they are non-existent in the first place (by tachyon condensation)[4] and even if they existed (by Feinberg's analysis[3]) they wouldn't be able to transmit information (also by Feinberg's analysis[3]). Despite the theoretical arguments against the existence of tachyon particles, experimental searches have been conducted to test the assumption against their existence; however, no experimental evidence for the existence of tachyon particles has been found. [5]

Jarasan, I think that quantum physics has already shown us that things don't always work the we thought they did. I am an open minded person, and do believe that according to Quantum physics, the outcome of an experiment is based on the observer's involvement or expetcation, thus making us able to actually create our own reality.

If tachyons exist, that's fine, but again, that doesen't prove anything. The light that comes from a star that's 100,000 light years away is photon particles/waves as done with the double slit experiments with light. Not a tachyon. At any rate, even of I believed that Tachyons existed, there are countless other questions that need to be addressed. That was just one of many. If you read what I wrote, there are many things that show the hypocricies, and inconsistencies.

I don't say that I have all the answers, but I have enough, so far, to make me think that it's all about energy and that's it. I can live a spiritual life knowing that I'm made up of energy, and that energy may or may not reform it's self after I'm gone. But to say I know for sure what's gonna happen is rediculous, just as rediculous for anyone with no proof to say that they know for sure what's going to happen. There is just no way anyone can be so sure...no way !

We are all living in an illusion, in my opinion. The human brain can only interpret what it sees hears, smells, tastes, and touches. Those senses are limited, and Quantum physics proves this. We have alot more to learn, and as it trickles in, we will gain more insight into our reality. Until then, I can only go by what I have already learned. I can't fool myself into taking other people's word for it, just because it was written in some book thousands of years ago, by not just one book but by many other books all inconsistent with each other. I just can't force my common sense to flee. It doesen't work that way. It's not like i can hit a switch and dumb myself down. It's too late, I know too much already. Too much information.

What ever keeps 'em off my property (fear of doing wrong or fear of being dirt-napped) works for me.

Quantum physics is for the small stuff it doesn't conclude or disprove anything. You may want to look at GUT theories.

The following is abstracted from Wikipedia and is a good summary.

As of 2005, there is still no hard evidence that nature is described by a Grand Unified Theory. Moreover, since the Higgs particle has not yet been observed, the smaller electroweak unification is still pending. The discovery of neutrino oscillations indicate that the Standard Model is incomplete, and lead to renewed interest toward certain GUT such as SO(10). One of the few possible experimental tests of certain GUT is proton decay and also fermion masses. There are a few more special tests for supersymmetric GUT.

The gauge coupling strengths of QCD, the weak interaction and hypercharge seem to meet at a common length scale called the GUT scale and equal approximately to 10 to the 16 GeV, which is slightly suggestive. This interesting numerical observation is called the gauge coupling unification and it works particularly well if one assumes the existence of superpartners of the Standard Model particles. Still it is possible to achieve the same by postulating, for instance, that ordinary (non supersymmetric) SO(10) models break with an intermediate gauge scale, such as the one of Pati-Salam group.

The ingredients are:

A GUT model basically consists of a gauge group which is a compact Lie group, a connection form for that Lie group, a Yang-Mills action for that connection given by an invariant symmetric bilinear form over its Lie algebra (which is specified by a coupling constant for each factor), a Higgs sector consisting of a number of scalar fields taking on values within real/complex representations of the Lie group and chiral Weyl fermions taking on values within a complex rep of the Lie group. The Lie group contains the Standard Model group and the Higgs fields acquire VEVs leading to a spontaneous symmetry breaking to the Standard Model. The Weyl fermions represent matter.

Here are some of the theories:

Several such theories have been proposed, but none is currently universally accepted. An even more ambitious theory that includes all fundamental forces, including gravitation, is termed a theory of everything. Some common mainstream GUT models are:

minimal left-right model --
Georgi-Glashow model -- SU(5)
SO(10)
Flipped SU(5) --
Pati-Salam model --
flipped SO(10) --
Trinification --
SU(6)
E6
331 model
chiral color
Heim Theory

Again to reiterate, quantum physics is just part of a much bigger picture and is not a catch all or conclusion to many of the unanswered questions in the universe. There are many unanswered questions that remain, no one can ever answer everything or even come close to be all knowing.

I tend to agree with Pac on the religion issue. Religion is a man made concept that came about for the various reasons he describes. (Mostly control of the masses).

We all seek to find answers to our existence and purpose. There is more we don't know about it than what we do. In the meantime we have to base our conclusions on scientific fact. Those who choose to base their conclusions on "faith" are crossing a huge gap in our knowledge.

After this tirade, you better hope there's no God.

Pac - God is more than any man can conceive in his mind. When you look at the universe and can't figure it out - you are beholding his glory. It's too great for human beings. We are just a small part of the universe. It's way way way way beyond us. All you can do is fall on your knees and behold how majestic it is.

You'll find God if you'll just look inside and has nothing to do with religion. It's right there in that big heart of yours. And I hope one day He will be real in your soul.