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It's the law: No sagging pants in Chicago suburb


It's the law: No sagging pants in Chicago suburb

LYNWOOD, Ill. - Be careful if you have saggy pants in the south Chicago suburb of Lynwood. Village leaders have passed an ordinance that would levy $25 fines against anyone showing three inches or more of their underwear in public.

Eugene Williams is the mayor of Lynwood. He says young men walk around town half-dressed, keeping major retailers and economic development away. He calls the new law a hot topic.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the ordinance targets young men of color.

Young adults in the village, like 21-year-old Joe Klomes, say the new law infringes on their personal style. He says leaders should instead spend money on making the area look nicer

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justxploringComment by justxploring - July 20, 2008, 12:25 pm
Good! I had a dear friend who was proud of his ACLU membership. Although we agreed on most things, I sometimes told him the CL in ACLU must stand for Crazy Liberal. ;-) He used to say that, no matter how despicable I found something (like when a Neo-Nazi group wanted to march in Skokie in the late 70s) we have the First Amendment. I said, "Sure, and we also have the Second. So why can't I gather some friends to buy shotguns & shoot 'em?" :-)

No, this isn't the same of course. It's just "self expression" But I don't care what color, age or gender someone is, as long as I don't have to look at his butt crack! That "style" began in prison, didn't it? Actually, I don't think women should be falling out of their tops either or wearing skirts so high (sans panties) you can see Paris. (some of you might be too young to remember that expression, but I ain't talkin about Hilton! lol)
colthmnComment by colthmn - July 20, 2008, 3:42 pm
How STUPID do you have to be to let your pants sag anyway? Neither do I want to see Paris.The other Paris, now that's Baskin-Robbins.
TenajComment by Tenaj - July 20, 2008, 5:00 pm
It's a stupid law made by stupid people.

truecriticComment by truecritic - July 20, 2008, 5:14 pm
I think it is a good law - people should be dressed if they are leaving the house.

Looks like there might be a loop-hole in that law.
It says 3 inches or more must be showing - some underwear doesn't have 3 inches total!
justxploringComment by justxploring - July 20, 2008, 6:19 pm
Well, Tenaj, we all have a right to our opinion (thank goodness) but to me it's the same as saying "No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service" I definitely feel we should be spending more time on catching criminals, but there really should be a proper way to dress. When I was in Junior High, a boy (still remember his name..lol) was sent home for wearing too tight pants. There has to be some measure of decency. I hear young people using profanity loudly in the supermarket. Nobody does anything, so sometimes I tell them to "keep it down" and "leave that filth at home." I'm no prude and probably have used every word in the book, whatever that book is, but it doesn't belong in supermarkets where families shop. I feel the same about improper dress.   I cannot believe the way both girls & boys dress today. Many of the guys look like gangsters and the girls look like prostitutes. BTW, I just read on Snopes that I was misinformed when I said low hanging, baggy pants originated in prison, although several other sources comfirm this. Anyone know for sure?
four4meComment by four4me - July 20, 2008, 6:50 pm
I was told. This fad started because when you get locked up they take your belt... well you know when they take your belt some peoples pants fall down. Then they have to hold um up with one hand .... even though you holding your pant with one hand they still creep down.
Some designer saw this as a money making proposition some clothes are designed to look like this.

Some home boys no matter what flavor they are think it looks cool to walk around with their butts hanging out to the point that there almost exposing their privates.

I think it's sad that people would walk around as though they were jail birds on the streets. Butts hanging out no class, modesty, complete disrespect for their elders don't even bother to pull them up when in the company of adults children etc.

It's almost for certain that when you see these characters your in the company of thugs, dopers, repeat offenders, unruly etc.

colthmnComment by colthmn - July 20, 2008, 6:52 pm
Well, I don't know for sure where sagging pants originated. But , I could never have gotten away with it, not with the disciplinarian that my father was. I've seen the pants hanging as low as the upper Thigh area. Come on, that ain't cute!
jarasanComment by jarasan - July 20, 2008, 8:52 pm
It is entertaining fashion, we get a good laugh everytime we see it. It is kinda like clownish, the circus is probably the only place that might hire one of these fashion lovers. Imagine going to apply for a job at a place of business with your knickers around the ankles and the boxer pattern on display.   It is a kid thing eventually they fall and trip and get over it.
ThatScaryChickComment by ThatScaryChick - July 21, 2008, 12:41 am
I think it's silly. How about working on making stronger laws and what not, for things like...I don't know, rape and murder.
justxploringComment by justxploring - July 21, 2008, 2:11 am
Unless I'm wrong, passing laws regarding violent crimes are the responsibility of the State.   This might seem silly (personally, I think people should just form a circle around the person, point & giggle) but it's just a local ordinance like parking on the street, or bars being open after a certain hour, etc.
time*treatComment by time*treat - July 21, 2008, 10:45 am
What are they doing about sagging test scores?
TenajComment by Tenaj - July 21, 2008, 1:13 pm
Fad is fad. Some people wear the fad, and some people live the fad. AGAIN - it's a reflection of the society. It changes with each generation. People kill me complaining about young people's music, fads, etc. and is not doing a damn thing to help the community but run their mouths about how they don't like the way they use profanity, sing, dance or the clothes they wear. We want to live in our comfort zones. Anything different scare the hell out of us.

I don't blame young people the way they feel about living in the United States. Their style is what they feel about the world and the world they live in. LOOK AT THEIR MENTORS! TAKE A LOOK IN THE MIRROR. LOOK AT YOURSELF! LOOK AT THE GOVERNMENT AND OUR LEADERS!

All young people want is to fit in, express themselves and feel secure about the future. The same things we wanted when we were young. The world is worst than what it was when we were young. No wonder they show us their asses.

It's a stupid law made by ignorant people who have no business being in charge.
four4meComment by four4me - July 21, 2008, 1:50 pm
It's borderline indecent exposure. The only thing holding up these guys pants up are there johnsons.
There wearing boxers if there pants fall down any further then there privates could possibly pop out.
Some old ladies might get a thrill out of it most won't. If kids see it could traumatize them possibly could get the offenders some kind of indecent exposure record.

Pants were never meant to be worn this way and everyone knows it, the only thing being expressed by this is their immaturity and there butts.

This practice of wearing pants like this started back in the 90's it's getting old.

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jarasanComment by jarasan - July 21, 2008, 2:40 pm
Someone says: "it's a reflection of society", wrong, it is a very thin slice, a small part of a very diverse society in which we live. Then they say we are afraid and we don't do anything about it, wrong again, this mind set of labeling, blaming, and not taking personal resposibilty for yourself is exactly why they are perceived by the rest of society as being clowns.

Then, the world is worse than before? Are they practicing duck and cover, not with those pants. You can thank Ron Reagan for no more cold war.

And if you want to fit into society, dress appropriately, unless you want to be a plumber!
ThatScaryChickComment by ThatScaryChick - July 21, 2008, 3:37 pm
How about people let others dress how they want. If you don't want to wear cloths like that then don't, but I don't think the government needs to start dictating what we wear.
four4meComment by four4me - July 21, 2008, 4:31 pm
ThatScaryChick -nobody's dictating what they can wear it's how they wear it you couldn't go around with your boobies popping out of you top on the streets.

why should boys/men be allowed to go around in public with their pants dropped down 8 to 10 inches past their ass crack.
justxploringComment by justxploring - July 21, 2008, 4:53 pm
Scary, if it were the Federal or even the State government passing these Nanny laws, I would agree with you. Don't waste my tax money on stupid stuff like this! But this isn't about that at all. It's a town ordinance and the people are being fined $25, not arrested or incarcerated at the taxpayers expense. Unless I am reading this wrong, this is like giving someone a jaywalking fine. Now, what could be more stupid? The coast is clear and you dash across the road, but a copy fines you $50 bucks for not doing it on the crosswalk. Reason: It's for the safety of the general public.   Same as pants that sag way below your underwear. They're just saying that to raise the standards of the community, they want to rid it of any dress style that the general public fines offensive. It's not dictating anything at all. You can wear whatever color you want, even have holes in your jeans. There are restaurants that require proper dress, i.e., a man must wear a jacket. That's not common these days, but it's up to them. If a small community wants to rid its streets of sloppy looking people, those who disagree with the rule can always go somewhere else. I mean, if you live on the beach in many parts of FL you can't turn on outside lights from May-Nov. If you don't want to get hit with a fine, then don't buy a home on the beach. When I lived on Sanibel, you couldn't put up a fence. I believe they've been able to keep McDonald's out too. No neon signs or bill boards. Only place I ever lived where 7-Eleven closed at 10:00. Many coastal communities voted to keep thong bikinis off of beaches, not allow nude bathing, etc. Oy, were there protests!   But many people find looking at someone's naked body offensive & not everyone has a nice butt. So that person can just go somewhere else or live with tan lines! LOL
JAP69Comment by JAP69 - July 21, 2008, 5:50 pm
With sagging pants they sure as haides will not be out robbing and expect to run like hell after.LOL
The same dilemma in dress code if I remember correctly was in England or there about about people going to mallsm wearing hooded shirts. The called them hoodies as I recollect. Kep your face covered so as not to be recognized.
TenajComment by Tenaj - July 21, 2008, 7:21 pm

All art, style, fashion, music, dance, film, and crime is a reflection of the society, whether it's a car, technology, houses, people killing their children, you name it. That's part of the big picture. START WITH YOURSELF.
Comment by Gentlespirit - July 21, 2008, 7:49 pm
For those of you who can remember Elvis Presley...his music & dancing was at first considered vulgar!!! We would have missed out on someone really fantastic if he would have been censored.
truecriticComment by truecritic - July 21, 2008, 8:02 pm
I do start with myself, I keep my pants up where they belong.     I don't use the F word in everyday conversation.    I don't call a woman a B, unless she is one. Can't ever remember saying Ho, except when referring to Santa.   An artist can only go so far with what he or she might call art and beyond that point it becomes offensive. There is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol - it becomes offensive when a person attempts to drive. There is nothing wrong with kids wearing baggy pants (if they like them) - just don't lower them because it is offensive.

Incidently, many States have laws allowing women to walk around topless - which is pleasurable privately but nonetheless, still offensive to me in public.
emilygComment by emilyg - July 22, 2008, 12:08 am
Pull your pants up Joe Klomes. That's a good way to make the area look nicer.
Comment by pacattack05 - July 22, 2008, 1:40 pm
It originated when thugs had to hide their guns so it wouldn't bulge out. I can't believe not one of you knew this. Anyway, it's a good law.

What really amazes me is when they wear those pants and then scratch their heads wondering why they can't get decent jobs. Whether society is wrong for enacting such laws as this is not relevant. Sometimes you just have to go along with the flow.

When the new management took over the airport last year, they made everyone wear dress pants, dress shirts and ties. I hate wearing that monkey suit, but guess what...If I want to keep working, that's what I have to do. Simple.

A couple of years ago, my friend's son wore those pants at the house all day. He continuously walked around the house with both hands holding up his pants. Totally rediculous.

On the other hand, if it was me who had to make the decision, I'd say go ahead and wear them like that, and look like a total moron if you want to. If they want to walk around looking like idiots holding their pants up with two hands, all over town, go ahead, but don't ask for help when you trip and bust your nose on the pavement...lol

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