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Texas Lottery has history of jackpot overestimation

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Posted: June 18, 2005, 11:41 am - IP Logged

Mr. Strutt does not feel that he is above the players — he is a registered Lottery Post member, and has participated in some discussions here in the forums.  He's a stand-up guy, in an industry that generally plays keep-away from its customers.

 

Todd:

That's good to know.  Thanks for sharing it.

Jack

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    Posted: June 18, 2005, 11:47 am - IP Logged

    Lottery marketers who think they're smarter than players by telling us what we're going to get because they say so are losing lottery participation especially in the south.  I expect it just may be contagious.

    Konane:

    I suspect there are a lot of people among those who run the lottery systems who share the view of a NM lawmaker just before he voted to adopt a NM lottery:  "It's a voluntary tax on stupidity."

    Once a person assumes that posture of thinking, the sky is the limit in terms of what they'll figure they can put over on the stupid folks who are paying for whatever rides they dream up.

    Jack 

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      Konane,

      If the Texas Lottery really wanted to demonstrate that they are listening to the players, then someone from that vast organization would sign up here and interact with the players on the forums.

      Or, if they want to just SAY that they're listening, while continuing to make changes without player interaction, then they will keep giving very generic answers like the one they gave you.  Lotteries always say they listen to player input, but I have rarely seen any evidence of that.

      For example, the one lottery leader that I hold in very high regard for truly listening to players is Chuck Strutt from MUSL (who runs Powerball).  His web site clearly shows that they are listening to players — for example, have you ever checked out the FAQ page there?  It answers questions in a very straight-forward manner, and answers questions that most lotteries would not touch.

      Further, Mr. Strutt does not feel that he is above the players — he is a registered Lottery Post member, and has participated in some discussions here in the forums.  He's a stand-up guy, in an industry that generally plays keep-away from its customers.

      You'll have to forgive me, but I don't think the reply the TX lottery sent to you is all that customer-friendly, in that it does not prove anything other than lip-service.  For example, were you aware of this so-called "extensive player research"?  Why wouldn't ALL players be given the chance to be included in their "research"?  Why wouldn't everyone be notified that they are looking for input?  Without notification, they can basically pick and choose who they ask the opinion of, in order to help determine the results of their "research" in advance.

      And I'm not trying to single out the Texas Lottery here, because that kind of thing is common to most states.

      I really wish the lotteries would adopt a more integrated approach with the players.  I welcome them to register a membership here and make their voice heard.  I don't care whatever opinion they hold on any topic, that's not the point.  The interaction with the players is what's important, and players really respect people who demonstrate that they listen.

      Am sure you're correct in your assessment of the answer.  However, if players feel their input falls on deaf ears they will never voice their opinons.  If enough people contact them then perhaps that voices will be heard.  Or it may take more of "speaking with their pocketbook" as they seem to be doing.

      I've contacted the MSL before and yes, they are very Sun Smiley forthcoming in answering questions about Powerball ... mine were about ballsets and machines used. 

      The internet is changing many things very rapidly such as blogger influence on the news and lottery players getting together here  .... wise people listen closely and make changes accordingly.  Yes Nod

      Good luck to everyone!

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        Posted: June 18, 2005, 11:56 am - IP Logged

        ...However, if players feel their input falls on deaf ears they will never voice their opinons.  If enough people contact them then perhaps that voices will be heard....

        That is precisely why it is important to strengthen Lottery Post, by increasing the number of players from various states who participate here, and by insisting that the state lotteries participate and draw feedback from here.

        It is true for any industry that the only way to affect change is to have a strong independent place where people can make their voices heard.

        It does little good for people to send their comments into a state lottery, where all statistics about how many people want a certain thing to happen will be buried.

         

        Check the State Lottery Report Card
        What grade did your lottery earn?

         

        Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
        Help eliminate computerized drawings!

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          Posted: June 18, 2005, 11:57 am - IP Logged

          Lottery marketers who think they're smarter than players by telling us what we're going to get because they say so are losing lottery participation especially in the south.  I expect it just may be contagious.

          Konane:

          I suspect there are a lot of people among those who run the lottery systems who share the view of a NM lawmaker just before he voted to adopt a NM lottery:  "It's a voluntary tax on stupidity."

          Once a person assumes that posture of thinking, the sky is the limit in terms of what they'll figure they can put over on the stupid folks who are paying for whatever rides they dream up.

          Jack 

          Before bloggers demonstrated bias and inaccuracies perpetuated by the mainstream media I suppose politicians, lotteries might have gotten away with that narrow mindset. 

          However they need to sense the undercurrent and feel the pulse because it's changing thanks to the internet. 

          Good luck to everyone!

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            Posted: June 18, 2005, 12:00 pm - IP Logged

            Let me expand on my last comment a bit:

            Take, for example, computerized drawings.  A computerized state like New Mexico would never, ever change back to real lottery drawings if all that happens is that people send negative feedack to the state.  However, it IS possible to make that happen if enough outrage is expressed, and the feedback is coordinated through Lottery Post.

            For another example, look at Texas.  They were considering going to computerized drawings, and it is quite possible that if it were not for Lottery Post, all Texans would be relying on a computer to draw their numbers right now.

             

            Check the State Lottery Report Card
            What grade did your lottery earn?

             

            Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
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              Posted: June 18, 2005, 12:07 pm - IP Logged

               Or it may take more of "speaking with their pocketbook" as they seem to be doing.

              At the end of the day, that's the voice that comes through the bullhorn.  Maybe the only one in a lot of places.  Seems the MBAs hear with their calculators.

              Jack

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                Posted: June 18, 2005, 12:18 pm - IP Logged

                 Or it may take more of "speaking with their pocketbook" as they seem to be doing.

                At the end of the day, that's the voice that comes through the bullhorn.  Maybe the only one in a lot of places.  Seems the MBAs hear with their calculators.

                Jack

                Georgians spoke with their pocketbooks and it was heard all the way up through the legislature.  Wink

                Good luck to everyone!


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                  Posted: June 18, 2005, 12:24 pm - IP Logged

                  The NY legislature doesn't seem to be listening to complaints about the terrible NY Lotto prizes.

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                    Posted: June 25, 2005, 9:50 pm - IP Logged

                    I suggest going back to the 6/54 matrix.

                    I Agree!