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jeffrey's avatar - moon
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Posted: August 1, 2005, 10:49 pm - IP Logged

He just wants a cut. Live and learn, dude. You pays your money and you takes your chances.ROFL

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    Posted: August 2, 2005, 2:05 am - IP Logged

    These RNG in the lottery terminals are just like the ones that run slot machines.  All RNG's run on the basic concept.  As long as there is a power supply the computer program is spitting out different numbers every millisecond.  This is just like the same as you getting off a slot machine and the next person hitting it big.  You would of had to have hit the SPIN button the exact same millisecond as the person that won the jackpot did too.  Now if they were instant tickets or something then I could see...but not in this case.

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      Posted: August 2, 2005, 7:10 am - IP Logged

      too bad for him.i guess it wasn't meant to be....

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        Posted: August 2, 2005, 7:48 am - IP Logged

        These RNG in the lottery terminals are just like the ones that run slot machines.  All RNG's run on the basic concept.  As long as there is a power supply the computer program is spitting out different numbers every millisecond.  This is just like the same as you getting off a slot machine and the next person hitting it big.  You would of had to have hit the SPIN button the exact same millisecond as the person that won the jackpot did too.  Now if they were instant tickets or something then I could see...but not in this case.

        Brad

        Like I had mentioned earlier, that's not necessarily true.  It is only true IF the RNG is programmed to use a different seed value every time a new ticket is generated. 

        Perhaps it's only programmed to use a different seed once every 5 minutes. 

        Or perhaps it doesn't use the internal clock as its seed.

        Or there are a million other "maybe"s that could affect this story.

        The only one who knows for sure is the manufacturer of the machine.

        A RNG does not work like a slot machine.  What works like a slot machine is the computer's internal clock, which continually counts the number of milliseconds since the computer was powered on.  Many times, people program RNGs to use the internal clock as the RNG's seed value, because they know that the clock will not be the same from one moment to the next.

        However, a programmer choosing to use a particular seed value is a lot different than the thought of a RNG as some kind of perpetually spinning random number sequence like a slot machine.  That's just not the way they work.

        That's the reason that if the lottery machine was not programmed to use a different seed value every time a ticket was produced, then a different amount of time passing as a result of a different person buying the ticket would not necessarily affect the numbers generated.

        As someone who has programmed many systems like this, there are too many "if"s to be able to come to an absolute decision on what would have happened if the two people hadn't changed positions in line.

         

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          Posted: August 2, 2005, 8:05 am - IP Logged

          A couple of years ago a woman jumped in line in front of a gentleman, and just the opposite happened.  He got the jackpot on a Quickpick.  Her excuse was she was in a hurry.  When I read his story, sometimes it pays to be a gentleman.

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            A couple of years ago a woman jumped in line in front of a gentleman, and just the opposite happened.  He got the jackpot on a Quickpick.  Her excuse was she was in a hurry.  When I read his story, sometimes it pays to be a gentleman.

            And, as in the instance of this story, sometimes it doesn't.  There's evidently no connection between gentlemanliness and whether it pays, insofar as the coincidence coordinators are concerned.

            Which brings it down to a man having to find other reasons to be, or not to be a gentleman.  It generally relates to females, once you boil it down, a sort of reciprocity.  And whatever crimes most 21st century females are guilty of, being ladies isn't one of them.

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              Posted: August 2, 2005, 9:17 am - IP Logged

              Haha, Jack.

              Well, whatever the case may be with the RNG, if I were this man, I would convince myself that I would not have won anyway, but still milk it for all it was worth.

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                Posted: August 2, 2005, 6:06 pm - IP Logged

                Everyone who says that the numbers constantly refresh are not necessarily correct.  You are all assuming that the RNG in the lottery machine is programmed a certain way.  The fact is that all lottery machines are NOT programmed the same, so the way you're making a blanket statement is not necessarily true.

                You're also making the assumption (like an episode of Star Trek) that if the other person went first then somehow the time continuum would be disturbed, and the clerk would not have generated the numbers at the precise millisecond that he did for the lady.

                You know what?  I think the guy was right, and he would have won if he went first.

                I agree with Todd.  It all depends on how the lottery machine is programmed.  Taking that into consideration, the gentleman "could" have won if he wasnt such a "nice guy."  I wonder if he had heard the song "Nice Guys Finish Last" by the band Greenday.

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                  Posted: August 2, 2005, 7:27 pm - IP Logged

                  That would make me angry if I had let someone go ahead of me at a line to buy lottery tickets and they ended up winning what I was supposed to. I have let people go ahead of me before at lottery counters and regretted it afterwards when I found out there was a big win from the store and that might have been the person who I let go  in front of me.Bang Head

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                    Posted: August 2, 2005, 7:45 pm - IP Logged

                    That would make me angry if I had let someone go ahead of me at a line to buy lottery tickets and they ended up winning what I was supposed to. I have let people go ahead of me before at lottery counters and regretted it afterwards when I found out there was a big win from the store and that might have been the person who I let go  in front of me.Bang Head

                    Would it make you equally angry if someone allowed you to go ahead of him in line and won the prize you'd have won if you'd kept your original place?  Where would you direct your anger?

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                      Posted: August 3, 2005, 2:09 pm - IP Logged

                      I used to work in a store that sold tickets, and where I worked the terminal had a list inside that you could punch up and those numbers would be the next list of numbers that would be printed if someone requested a QP. In my case the terminal didn't reconfigure a new list every time someone bought a QP. I didn't look to see if the list was updated every few minutes or so. But there is a good chance that if the gentlemen and the lady were in my store at the time, it would of probably mattered, letting her go first, because that same list would probably have not changed.

                      I know this because there were times I coudn't think of a number to play, so I would look at the list to see which ones were potential ones that looked good.

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                        Posted: August 3, 2005, 2:39 pm - IP Logged
                        Regardless of whom was in line the fact is it coulda been someone in another store that got the winning ticket depending on how many people were purchasing tickets at that time. In other words when you ask for a quick pick and hundreds of people are at other terminals the quick pick tickets are being generated at the same time it's quite possible that at the millisecond that the cashier punched the button for the quick pick that winning ticket was generated. A few milliseconds before or after the button was pushed someone else beside him or her could have easily got the winning ticket. No offence here but it doesn't make one bit of difference wether you are courteous to someone in line or not. It's all about timing and the luck of the draw. If he had held his place in line he might not have got the ticket she got. Someone else might have got it in another part of the island. 
                        It's nice to think that being courteous had something to do with it but that's not the case it was her timing that was right not his. 
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                          I used to work in a store that sold tickets, and where I worked the terminal had a list inside that you could punch up and those numbers would be the next list of numbers that would be printed if someone requested a QP. In my case the terminal didn't reconfigure a new list every time someone bought a QP. I didn't look to see if the list was updated every few minutes or so. But there is a good chance that if the gentlemen and the lady were in my store at the time, it would of probably mattered, letting her go first, because that same list would probably have not changed.

                          I know this because there were times I coudn't think of a number to play, so I would look at the list to see which ones were potential ones that looked good.

                          Thank you for posting that!

                          Not only does it support what I was trying to say, but it's a fascinating concept as well. 

                          I'm actually quite shocked that the lottery would allow clerks to be able to see the upcoming Quick Pick ticket numbers!  Not exactly the best system design, IMHO.

                           

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                            Posted: August 3, 2005, 4:11 pm - IP Logged

                            That would make me angry if I had let someone go ahead of me at a line to buy lottery tickets and they ended up winning what I was supposed to. I have let people go ahead of me before at lottery counters and regretted it afterwards when I found out there was a big win from the store and that might have been the person who I let go  in front of me.Bang Head

                            I am not going to let another person go in front of me at a lottery line again. I don't want to miss out on the jackpot.

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                              Posted: August 3, 2005, 5:24 pm - IP Logged

                              how can a person tell which position line is the right one

                              when in reno playing the hotels free competition for 250 i had picked a machine i felt would win, however the hostess directed me to another and it was the winner, so i just take whatever life offers in that regard