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bellyache's avatar - 64x64a9wg

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Posted: October 19, 2005, 5:34 pm - IP Logged

I also want to know why people only scratch the corners/code of tickets? If you're going to take the time to buy the ticket, scratch the whole thing!

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    Incase any of you were wondering, I happen to know the man who originally owned the ticket very well. He can prove he owned the ticket by  surveillance tapes. The store owner called the man because he knew St. John did NOT have $10 to buy the ticket and he knew that it rightfully belonged to the other man. None of you actually know the story, so stop making unnecessary comments. He did not scratch off the amount he had won, he just saw that two numbers matched up. Obviosy if he had one $1 million he would have been more careful. He had a couple of other scratch tickets and he placed the winner in the WRONG pile. St. John knew who that ticket belonged to before. He actually was in the store and bought nothing. There is a "No Loitering" sign outside of the store, and being as he went into the trash INSIDE the building, he was LOITERING. He most likely will NOT win, nor does he deserve it in my opinion.

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      Posted: October 20, 2005, 9:26 pm - IP Logged

      Incase any of you were wondering, I happen to know the man who originally owned the ticket very well. He can prove he owned the ticket by  surveillance tapes. The store owner called the man because he knew St. John did NOT have $10 to buy the ticket and he knew that it rightfully belonged to the other man. None of you actually know the story, so stop making unnecessary comments. He did not scratch off the amount he had won, he just saw that two numbers matched up. Obviosy if he had one $1 million he would have been more careful. He had a couple of other scratch tickets and he placed the winner in the WRONG pile. St. John knew who that ticket belonged to before. He actually was in the store and bought nothing. There is a "No Loitering" sign outside of the store, and being as he went into the trash INSIDE the building, he was LOITERING. He most likely will NOT win, nor does he deserve it in my opinion.

      Interesting story.

      Surveillance tapes might well prove he threw some tickets away, but they won't prove he threw away the winner.  They won't prove St. John didn't actually get the ticket from the dumpster, as he claims.  They might prove he gots 'some' ticket from the trash indoors, but they won't be able to identify which was found where.

      However, if they do, they'll prove he took something another person didn't want and threw away.  The ticket would have ended up in the dumpster, then at the dump if St. John hadn't found it and taken possession of it.

      The question of whether he was loitering, or wasn't loitering is an issue unrelated to ownership of the ticket.

      The man who's claiming to have thrown the ticket away threw it away, which is the same as giving it away to the sanitary landfill.

      The people who have posted here know the story as it's been posted on LP.  They've commented on that story, which is one of the things people do here..  Most likely they'll continue to comment on it without a lot of regard to your admonishment for them not to do so.

      Your opinion about who deserves to win this matter will carry about as much weight in the end as all the other opinions expressed here.  Which is to say, none at all.

      I see you're a new member.

      Welcome to Lottery Post.

      Jack

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        konane's avatar - wallace
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        Posted: October 20, 2005, 9:58 pm - IP Logged

        Incase any of you were wondering, I happen to know the man who originally owned the ticket very well. He can prove he owned the ticket by  surveillance tapes. The store owner called the man because he knew St. John did NOT have $10 to buy the ticket and he knew that it rightfully belonged to the other man. None of you actually know the story, so stop making unnecessary comments. He did not scratch off the amount he had won, he just saw that two numbers matched up. Obviosy if he had one $1 million he would have been more careful. He had a couple of other scratch tickets and he placed the winner in the WRONG pile. St. John knew who that ticket belonged to before. He actually was in the store and bought nothing. There is a "No Loitering" sign outside of the store, and being as he went into the trash INSIDE the building, he was LOITERING. He most likely will NOT win, nor does he deserve it in my opinion.

        Interesting story.

        Surveillance tapes might well prove he threw some tickets away, but they won't prove he threw away the winner.  They won't prove St. John didn't actually get the ticket from the dumpster, as he claims.  They might prove he gots 'some' ticket from the trash indoors, but they won't be able to identify which was found where.

        However, if they do, they'll prove he took something another person didn't want and threw away.  The ticket would have ended up in the dumpster, then at the dump if St. John hadn't found it and taken possession of it.

        The question of whether he was loitering, or wasn't loitering is an issue unrelated to ownership of the ticket.

        The man who's claiming to have thrown the ticket away threw it away, which is the same as giving it away to the sanitary landfill.

        The people who have posted here know the story as it's been posted on LP.  They've commented on that story, which is one of the things people do here..  Most likely they'll continue to comment on it without a lot of regard to your admonishment for them not to do so.

        Your opinion about who deserves to win this matter will carry about as much weight in the end as all the other opinions expressed here.  Which is to say, none at all.

        I see you're a new member.

        Welcome to Lottery Post.

        Jack

        Rip summed things up really well.

        Agree, welcome to Lottery Post.

        As I posted in Rip's blog earlier today, for all anyone knows an illegal alien could have discarded that particular ticket, not being able to read or decipher codes on it.  Happens more times than not.

        Hey St. John may have found enough unclaimed tickets in someone else's trash to have had money.  Did the store owner have him empty his pockets on the counter so he could count it??

        .... Naughty Now where's that young pit bull attorney looking for free publicity by helping out an old man that obviously can't afford to hire someone??

        Good luck to everyone!

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          Posted: October 20, 2005, 10:25 pm - IP Logged

          Incase any of you were wondering, I happen to know the man who originally owned the ticket very well. He can prove he owned the ticket by  surveillance tapes. The store owner called the man because he knew St. John did NOT have $10 to buy the ticket and he knew that it rightfully belonged to the other man. None of you actually know the story, so stop making unnecessary comments. He did not scratch off the amount he had won, he just saw that two numbers matched up. Obviosy if he had one $1 million he would have been more careful. He had a couple of other scratch tickets and he placed the winner in the WRONG pile. St. John knew who that ticket belonged to before. He actually was in the store and bought nothing. There is a "No Loitering" sign outside of the store, and being as he went into the trash INSIDE the building, he was LOITERING. He most likely will NOT win, nor does he deserve it in my opinion.

          The fact of the matter is, your friend threw the ticket away, Your friend did not sign the back. Your friend should be out of a million bucks. He should of kept better track of his tickets. He didn't and ended up throwing it away. He threw it away. It does not belong to him anymore. And what does the "No Loitering" sign have to do with anything? It doesn't look like the store owner stopped St. John from digging in the garbage does it? So in my opinion your friend does not deserve to win.

          Dance like no one is watching.

            konane's avatar - wallace
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            Posted: October 20, 2005, 10:27 pm - IP Logged

            Incase any of you were wondering, I happen to know the man who originally owned the ticket very well. He can prove he owned the ticket by  surveillance tapes. The store owner called the man because he knew St. John did NOT have $10 to buy the ticket and he knew that it rightfully belonged to the other man. None of you actually know the story, so stop making unnecessary comments. He did not scratch off the amount he had won, he just saw that two numbers matched up. Obviosy if he had one $1 million he would have been more careful. He had a couple of other scratch tickets and he placed the winner in the WRONG pile. St. John knew who that ticket belonged to before. He actually was in the store and bought nothing. There is a "No Loitering" sign outside of the store, and being as he went into the trash INSIDE the building, he was LOITERING. He most likely will NOT win, nor does he deserve it in my opinion.

            The fact of the matter is, your friend threw the ticket away, Your friend did not sign the back. Your friend should be out of a million bucks. He should of kept better track of his tickets. He didn't and ended up throwing it away. He threw it away. It does not belong to him anymore. And what does the "No Loitering" sign have to do with anything? It doesn't look like the store owner stopped St. John from digging in the garbage does it? So in my opinion your friend does not deserve to win.

              ROFL    Well said!!      If it's important, you keep track of it.  He didn't!!

            Good luck to everyone!

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              I am Julie Prive, the woman who was sued 3 years ago because I found a $4 million dollar ticket in the garbage.  If the man who found this ticket loses and he reads this, PLEASE contact me, I am considering suing the state of Massachusetts (the Barnstable County Court) for breaking my Massachusetts Constitutional Rights.  The constitution states that "all parties are able to present all proofs that may be favorable to them in a court of law" (the man suing me had 4 different statements signed under the pains and penalties of perjury), the judge wouldn't allow them to be presented to the jury.  Also, the Mass. Constitution states that "all defendants have the right to face ALL accusers in a court of law", the woman who was in on the lawsuit was supposedly ill and in the hospital and not in the court for one day of the trial, yet, the judge didn't find in our favor when we asked that the trial be postponed, so we asked if we could cross examine her on closed circuit t.v. and he denied that as well. The jury was not able to see the second plaintiff.  One of the attorney's that was on my case has stated that he believes that if the woman was there, that the jury would not have been hung and we would have won.  Yes, I settled the case, not out of admission of guilt.  You would have too if your children and your sanity were threatened.  I have now moved out of that awful state.  So, to the man who found the $1 million dollar ticket, if you lose, contact me, we'll get that state one way or the other.  If I don't get them legally, I'll get them back with the book I am writing about it.  I suggest you contact Senator Therese Murray or Ted Kennedy, they were the only two people out of all of the governmental officials who were able to give me good advice and help in some way.  GOOD LUCK TO YOU!  Sincerely, Julie M. Prive

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                Posted: October 21, 2005, 11:49 am - IP Logged

                Incase any of you were wondering, I happen to know the man who originally owned the ticket very well. He can prove he owned the ticket by  surveillance tapes. The store owner called the man because he knew St. John did NOT have $10 to buy the ticket and he knew that it rightfully belonged to the other man. None of you actually know the story, so stop making unnecessary comments. He did not scratch off the amount he had won, he just saw that two numbers matched up. Obviosy if he had one $1 million he would have been more careful. He had a couple of other scratch tickets and he placed the winner in the WRONG pile. St. John knew who that ticket belonged to before. He actually was in the store and bought nothing. There is a "No Loitering" sign outside of the store, and being as he went into the trash INSIDE the building, he was LOITERING. He most likely will NOT win, nor does he deserve it in my opinion.

                LisaD1164 ,

                Lottery Post is a forum for the open exchange of ideas, information and comments. It is hardly your place to quantify a member's comments as unneccessary or otherwise. You claimed that you know the man who discarded the ticket, yet all that you've been able to add was that there was a "NO LOITERING" sign outside the store. Were you there? Do you know what St. John's thought process was when he discarded the ticket? Do you know with relative certainty that the 80-year went into the garbage bin to retrieve that ticket? Since you are so much closer to the story than the rest of us, you should be able to answer these probing questions. As you grow older and acquire more wisdom, hopefully you'll learn to Judge without being Judgemental.

                 

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                  Doyle, from the news story: He accidentally put the winning ticket in the loser pile, which he then threw in the wastebasket.

                  LisaD: He did not scratch off the amount he had won, he just saw that two numbers matched up. Obviosy if he had one $1 million he would have been more careful. He had a couple of other scratch tickets and he placed the winner in the WRONG pile.

                  Me: He put the winning ticket in the loser pile because he never even scratched the prize!!!  You don't deserve to win if you don't play the game right!

                  You can place a ticket in the WRONG pile only if you are aware that it's a winner to begin with.

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                    Posted: October 21, 2005, 12:25 pm - IP Logged

                    good observation JAG!

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                      Posted: October 21, 2005, 12:27 pm - IP Logged

                      Thanks paki.  Lisa and the lawyer, both purportedly in close contact with the buyer/loser have given conflicting accounts.

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                        If the ticket had dropped off the table and been lying there on the floor I think this guy would have had a claim that I could sympathize with.  That would have been an accident, a loss. 

                        This guy didn't do that.  He took a pile of tickets, of which this ticket was a part, deliberately placed there by him, whether he placed it there by mistake, or not, and he consciously threw them in the trash with the winner a piece of his repudiation of the whole.

                        That all assumes the ticket found by the dumpster diver was one of those the guy threw out, which assumes too much.

                        But the fact is that if the diver hadn't found that pearl the ticket would have ended up in a dump somewhere.  Whomever bought the ticket would never have known.  It would have rotted under a pile of human refuse and no one would have benefited.

                        So the guy who threw the ticket away, who'd already repudiated the value of it, once someone else discovered it had value, wants to try to use legal methods to recover it.

                        Maybe he'll succeed.  Nobody ever said life was fair.  But the guy who lost the ticket is an opportunist.  Nothing more.

                        Hopefully, before this is over people all over that area will begin making claims it was their ticket, confusing the issue for the big spender and helping to solidify the claim of the dumpster diver.

                        Jack

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                        It's about number behavior.

                        Egos don't count.

                         

                        Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

                         

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                          Posted: October 21, 2005, 12:34 pm - IP Logged

                          i say St. John give the guy the cost of the ticket...$10...and tell him that the lottery is NOT for him...

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                            Posted: October 22, 2005, 2:07 pm - IP Logged

                            I'm sorry JAG but I don't see how the lawyer and I had conflicting accounts? As we both stated, he placed the winning ticket into the wrong pile. How is that conflicting if I may ask?

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                              Posted: October 22, 2005, 2:21 pm - IP Logged

                              Really though, how does one put a million dollar ticket in the wrong pile? If you buy a bunch of tickets and scratch them entirely, when you notice that you have won a million dollars you'd stop scratching the others and say something or do something since you just won the big prize. You wouldn't just say to yourself, "Oh it's just a million dollars, let me put it in the winning pile and continue to scratch the other tickets."

                              I think the guy scratched only a certain amount or looked at the code and thought it was a losing ticket or only worth a couple of dollars and put it in the throw-away pile. 

                              Dance like no one is watching.