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Posted: December 14, 2005, 12:08 pm - IP Logged

Thanks Awesomo2000 for your version of what happened. I did go back and read what you had to say. It shed some new light.

I feel for you and the other traders. It was a bad call on your boss to let anyone else aside from the lottery pool to go and check. Things happen and we all have to move on. I'm glad you are getting the money you rightfully won. (minus lawyer fees and such)

That being said, she's going to walk. I'm sure you would like to tie her up and stone her to death for all the sh!t she put you through, but it's not going to happen. You even said the judge wanted her to plead guilty to get this case over with. He's not going to be wasting anymore time on it.

She's in jail now waiting for sentensing. She'll get 3 years (max) probation and time already served. I believe this, because apparently she doesn't have a criminial record. She was a productive citizen before all of this. The wrong has been "righted". (meaning you get your money) And she'll probably have to pay resitution for all the lawyer fees. I'M IN NO WAY CONDONING WHAT SHE DID!!!! Thought I would clarify that. BUT there isn't anything more that can be done to her. She won't EVER become a prison b!tch for 15 years (for this case). There are worse things she could have done to get a sentencing like that.

Again...sorry it happened. You should be glad it's over.

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    sounds like awesome knows what hes talking about. fact is it was a spur of the moment thing she probably got caught up in the moment thought she could steal the ticket when she realized she couldn't she got scared and just thought she good discard the ticket.

    She's pretty dumb for not doing the right thing if she had the oppurtunity. the way the system works she'll probably get community service. I think she did do something wrong and should be punished.
    "Thou Shall Not Steal" She is guilty!

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      Posted: December 14, 2005, 12:24 pm - IP Logged

      I am actually one of the 16 traders involved in this case.  I found this site while searching the internet after a friend of mine told me he saw my name in the paper.  I testified at this case on Monday.  Read my other posts in the thread discussing yesterday's articles for a summary of the events that happened on Dec 31st of 2003.  I am all for healthy cynicism, but she is guilty.  If you knew the details of the case you would agree.  She stole the ticket with criminal intent.  She had every intention of cashing that ticket secrectly so that none of us found out.  There were at least ten people who saw her win.  Three of those people testified in court.  I was one of those people.  Her boss defended her until there no longer was any shadow of a doubt that she was guilty.  Seriously read my other posts for more details.  She was overwhelmingly guilty.  She destroyed the ticket after she knew she was busted.  She doesn't have to attempt to cash the ticket to prove guilt.  Imagine if ten people see your employee steal your car.  You ask your employee about it but she pleads ingorance.  You would press charges, right?  And the employee would be found guilty of larceny, regardless of whether or not you got the car back two years later.  That's exactly what happened to us.  Our lawyer does have the money, but I still don't.  I/we will be paid, but only after lawyer fees and two years of headaches.  She had every opportunity to do the right thing.  She could've simply given us the ticket that day.  We would've forgiven her.  If she would've brought us the ticket after she won, we would've cut her in.  'Cus that's the type of people we are.  She knew that.  Also the lottery commission at first told us they wouldn't pay us, so that wasn't exactly a foregone conclusion.  We had to hire a lawyer to prod the commission into paying.  Her guilt had nothing to do with her lack of money.  I don't know where she got the cash, but she had a good lawyer working for her, not just some public defender.  Maybe he did it for the press coverage.  If you want to get pissed at someone for taking advantage of her, the lawyer could be a good target.  I was told by the prosecutors that the judge strongly suggested she enter a plea of guilty and save the court their time and money.  Again, it was obvious that she was guilty.  Apparently he declined, possibly because he wanted the press coverage associated with a trial by jury verdict--regardless of the outcome.  At least that was one theory flying around the courthouse.

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        Posted: December 14, 2005, 12:30 pm - IP Logged

        Yeah, none of the lawyers seemed to think that she would get actual prison time.  I could really care less.  As long as I never see her again, and perhaps get my lawyer fees back.  However it is possible that the judge has taken quite a distaste for Dora Leal.  Not sure how it works...does the judge decide the sentence after the jury finds guilty?  The ASA Lorie Rosen told me that the judge has a personal thing against disloyal people.  Dora is the definition of a disloyal person.  Her boss testified that with the onset of electronic trading and advanced computers, etc, that Dora's job had become obsolete.  He only kept her on as an employee so she could have an income as well as medical insurance for her family.  I stood next to him in the OEX pit every day for 18 months.  He really is a good guy.  He even gave her a severence package after she stole from him, and embarrassed him in front of his coworkers, the exchange, and the world.  Also she wasted the court's time, or at least that is the way the judge sees it.  So it'll be interesting to see what he decides.  Jan. 8th is sentencing.  Stay tuned.

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          Posted: December 14, 2005, 1:39 pm - IP Logged

          By the way, in Spanish, Leal means loyal.

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            Posted: December 14, 2005, 2:31 pm - IP Logged

            Circles back to the same point we've made before that if it's important enough to spend money on the ticket, then check and verify the numbers yourself.  Don't trust anyone else to look out for your best interests especially when lots of money is at stake.  Yes Nod

            I agree.
            I run a pool and it amazes me that the other members rely on me to check the numbers. While I wouldn't cheat them and they have emails from me with the numbers we played, you'd better believe if I was them, I'd still check the numbers myself.

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              Posted: December 14, 2005, 2:49 pm - IP Logged

              By the way, in Spanish, Leal means loyal.

              Wow!  How ironic is that?

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                Yeah, none of the lawyers seemed to think that she would get actual prison time.  I could really care less.  As long as I never see her again, and perhaps get my lawyer fees back.  However it is possible that the judge has taken quite a distaste for Dora Leal.  Not sure how it works...does the judge decide the sentence after the jury finds guilty?  The ASA Lorie Rosen told me that the judge has a personal thing against disloyal people.  Dora is the definition of a disloyal person.  Her boss testified that with the onset of electronic trading and advanced computers, etc, that Dora's job had become obsolete.  He only kept her on as an employee so she could have an income as well as medical insurance for her family.  I stood next to him in the OEX pit every day for 18 months.  He really is a good guy.  He even gave her a severence package after she stole from him, and embarrassed him in front of his coworkers, the exchange, and the world.  Also she wasted the court's time, or at least that is the way the judge sees it.  So it'll be interesting to see what he decides.  Jan. 8th is sentencing.  Stay tuned.

                granted he only kept her on because she needed the income and medical insurance for her family and I'm not saying what she did was right; but everybody doesn't live high on the hog like you. Next time buy your own tickets and check for yourself.

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                  I am actually one of the 16 traders involved in this case.  I found this site while searching the internet after a friend of mine told me he saw my name in the paper.  I testified at this case on Monday.  Read my other posts in the thread discussing yesterday's articles for a summary of the events that happened on Dec 31st of 2003.  I am all for healthy cynicism, but she is guilty.  If you knew the details of the case you would agree.  She stole the ticket with criminal intent.  She had every intention of cashing that ticket secrectly so that none of us found out.  There were at least ten people who saw her win.  Three of those people testified in court.  I was one of those people.  Her boss defended her until there no longer was any shadow of a doubt that she was guilty.  Seriously read my other posts for more details.  She was overwhelmingly guilty.  She destroyed the ticket after she knew she was busted.  She doesn't have to attempt to cash the ticket to prove guilt.  Imagine if ten people see your employee steal your car.  You ask your employee about it but she pleads ingorance.  You would press charges, right?  And the employee would be found guilty of larceny, regardless of whether or not you got the car back two years later.  That's exactly what happened to us.  Our lawyer does have the money, but I still don't.  I/we will be paid, but only after lawyer fees and two years of headaches.  She had every opportunity to do the right thing.  She could've simply given us the ticket that day.  We would've forgiven her.  If she would've brought us the ticket after she won, we would've cut her in.  'Cus that's the type of people we are.  She knew that.  Also the lottery commission at first told us they wouldn't pay us, so that wasn't exactly a foregone conclusion.  We had to hire a lawyer to prod the commission into paying.  Her guilt had nothing to do with her lack of money.  I don't know where she got the cash, but she had a good lawyer working for her, not just some public defender.  Maybe he did it for the press coverage.  If you want to get pissed at someone for taking advantage of her, the lawyer could be a good target.  I was told by the prosecutors that the judge strongly suggested she enter a plea of guilty and save the court their time and money.  Again, it was obvious that she was guilty.  Apparently he declined, possibly because he wanted the press coverage associated with a trial by jury verdict--regardless of the outcome.  At least that was one theory flying around the courthouse.

                  If you were one of the 16 Traders you would have said: "I am one of the 16 traders involved in this case." instead of "I am actually one of the 16 traders involved in this case."

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                    Posted: December 14, 2005, 4:49 pm - IP Logged

                    Roll EyesThe problem that I have is our justice system. It works for those who have the money to buy the lawyers that know how to use the law.  There are many individuals and corporations who steal thousands times more than she and come out squeaky clean.

                    She is a dumb thief who needed a better lawyer.

                     

                     

                    See Ya!HAPPY WEDNESDAY....12/14/05

                    The problem I have with this case is the sheer stupidity of the "Traders" themselves.....They should have hired an Attorney or simply gone together as a Group and turned the winning ticket in themselves, instead of giving it to her to do it.  If the Group didn't want the Publicity then the Attorney representing them would have handled everything legally, without all this unnecessary Drama........It's sheer Stupidity on the part of the "Traders" .........

                    Agree with stupid 

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                      This a sad case of the worst in human nature coming to the fore.I thought that she would walk, but we now find out that her testimony was inconsistent, her lawyers entered that phoney "distraught " excuse and the case got bungled to say the least. The defense failed to convice the jury, so justice was served.

                      A word to the  wise: stay away from Lottery Pools. It seems  like a good idea on the surface,  until the Jackpot is hit.  Nothing but TROUBLE.  I buy my own tickets and check them online myself. People don't take the Lottery seriously until there is a Hit then, the Lawyers arrive like the Cavalry....

                       

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                        awesomo2000

                        > Read my other posts in the thread discussing yesterday's articles...

                        I did.  Previous to the verdict.  I will grant you she was/is stupid/dumb.  But I stand by my previous statement.  I would find her not guilty - since the crime of actually stealing the money never happened.  No matter what reason is used for the disappearance of the ticket - stolen/lost - it was nothing but a piece of paper.  I don't think people should end up with a criminal record over a piece of paper.  The Police should have set up a sting with the Lottery Commision.

                        NOW...had you/everyone/police allowed this to play through and she or anyone did attempt to turn in the ticket and get the money...then you could find her guilty.

                        I expect to see people punished for illegal things.  I don't expect people to be dragged through the legal system for trivial things.  We have got some of the dumbest laws/excuses for arresting people.  And there have been several cases fairly recent and in recent years. 

                        We had a guy utter some foul words in the presence of women and children, while canoeing.  Criminal offense?  You betcha, in Michigan.  Forget about similar language on TV, movies and songs.  This guy has a criminal record now.

                        Just remember when the shoe is on the other foot...some little misdeed by you and it could be you in jail! We've got too many laws and yet not enough laws to protect us from the really bad guys.

                        I am not big on conspiracy theories but you can see this being played out right now.  (A) The Government wants everyone to have an ID - like an embedded electronic chip or bar code.  (B) Arrest everyone for the slightest thing - and it's the next best thing.  Their names and fingerprints and DNA will be in the database.

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                          Nobie,

                          I agree with you that we should have forseen that any winning would potentially be pilfered by a low income Dora.  If you've read my other posts you would know that I had no idea Dora was checking my tickets until after I reported she won the lottery to the group.  This situation and particularly the lottery commission's response to it made me mad enough that I haven't played the lottery since, whether in a pool, or alone.

                          Raven,

                          You sleuth!!  You are exactly right.  In my free time I search the internet for opportunities to impersonate victims in publicly profiled cases for attention.

                          Let me make something clear.  I am not arguing about opinions here.  I am dictating facts that people may not have otherwise known, and could find interesting.  I don't need to win an argument with you regarding who I am.  I have already won the court case, and can now collect my lottery winnings (two years after the fact).  I didn't want anyone to mistakenly assume Dora was a victim of a heartless court system.  Dora is undeniably guilty.  That is fact.  Don't believe me?--then read the articles.  They do a decent job of presenting the main facts in the case.  I think it is hilarious that she tried to basically claim temp insanity because of her dog.  I didn't know that until this morning.  They don't allow witnesses to watch the trial, as they feel it could taint the testimony.  When I left court on Monday evening, I was under the impression that she wouldn't testify.  In short she stole, lied, and decieved the people that considered her to be a loyal friend, or at the very least a trusty employee.  She acted like a criminal throughout the entire process, and was justly convicted.  Nuff said.

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                            Raven,

                            The word "actually" appearing in Awesome's post is YOU playing with semantics in a big way.

                            The judgement came against her as it should have and the background that Awesome has provided precludes your conspiracy theory that Awesome had nothing to do with it. He/she was the first one to say that she was found guilty on this thread, and I already knew it this morning when I read this thread, also being from the Chicago area and getting the same newscasts. No one in this thread seemed to know that. What does Awesome gain by lying about his/her involvement? Notoriety...hah! Lawyer's fees...Yeah!

                            The judgement WAS made yesterday as televised on Chicago news as Awesome said. Awesome provided detailed descriptions of websites, facts and figures to prove his/her point.

                            The semantics game doesn't make sense to me here. Do you have a problem with Awesome that we are not aware of?

                            Since when does New Jersey do better news coverage of the IL lottery than WGN?

                            Posted 4/6:  IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit:  555, 347 (str8).


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                              Posted: December 14, 2005, 5:33 pm - IP Logged

                              No matter how you cut it, it's sad!

                              Rich crooks, get away with millions daily.

                              Heaven help, a poor person who, even tries.

                              I have always found it interesting the the amount of money and energy,readily exspened,

                              too make sure poor people never get something for nothing.

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                              Right or wrong its sad!

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