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Woman found guilty of stealing winning lottery ticket

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Posted: December 14, 2005, 5:36 pm - IP Logged

He's mad cause I called him an idiot yesterday.

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    Posted: December 14, 2005, 5:40 pm - IP Logged

    Thank you awesomo2000 for your details on this case.

    I certainly would never call you a liar.  Clearly you are telling the truth.  Some people are just...well...don't worry about it.

    Thanks.  Interesting.

     

     

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      Posted: December 14, 2005, 5:51 pm - IP Logged

      awesoom2000 i worked at  the bot       pools all over            .i would run for traders and if they won every one won      most people will never have that feeling  or trust at a job    prob988  sounds like  a trader also

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        Posted: December 14, 2005, 6:14 pm - IP Logged

        Always require photocopies of all tickets be given to all pool members way BEFORE the drawing.

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          Posted: December 14, 2005, 6:21 pm - IP Logged

          My final comment on this is...she looked guilty as sin coming out of the courthouse yesterday. If I was accused of this and innocent, you can bet I'd be talking to every camera and microphone within 100 feet. She couldn't do it. She stared at the sidewalk and slithered to her attorney's car. I don't see an appeal in this case.

          Our justice system might have its problems, but it served its purpose in this case. The JURY decided it, not the DA, Defense Attorneys or Judge or money.

          And that IS the American way...barring a few exceptions that I can think of where people got away with murder because they had the big money to do so for their legal "defense' and a jury that was totally incompetent and blind to the facts. (DNA?)

          Posted 4/6:  IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit:  555, 347 (str8).


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            Posted: December 14, 2005, 8:03 pm - IP Logged

            I Agree!

             

            Whether it was a stolen ticket or not.  She never cashed it in, the others got their money, and she's probably out of a job.  (forced or harassed into quiting)  Do I believe that she was in morning over her lil baby dog?  No.  BUT......what is she guilty of?  If she's guilty of not cashing in a jackpot, I better go turn myself in too!  I've NEVER cashed in a jackpot!  lol

            Personally, I think that her and her attorney were not on the same page.  He was working the angle of her being shakey and distraught.  She was adament about never losing anything.  Basically he said she won, but lost the ticket.  She's claiming it never happened!  Sounds STUPID to me!  lol

            how about if it was your money would you feel the same way? probably not !

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              Posted: December 14, 2005, 8:06 pm - IP Logged

              What a great Country?  If she never got the money.  If the ticket was never cashed in.  If the ticket never showed up anywhere.

              What is she guilty of?

              How can losing a piece of paper or even intentionally taking a piece of paper be a crime if there is no benefit from that paper?

              The moral is: don't ever go and check lottery tickets alone.  Don't ever lose any papers, notes, emails, etc;

              Note: If I take the worst case and assume she took the ticket intentionally, I do believe that is wrong.  But without her (or someone) cashing in the ticket, I do not believe a crime has been commited.  If I was on the jury, not guilty would've been my vote.

              I actually posed this very question to the Assistant to the State's Attorney.  I, like you, was unsure of the legality of charging someone with larceny if the ticket had yet to be claimed for money.  She assured me that a lottery ticket, being a bearer share which means that anyone who bears it owns it, is the same as the cash equivalent of its winning prize.  Therefore once she attempted to steal the ticket, whether she was successful in cashing it in or not, she committed grand larceny.  The burdon of proof therefore is for the state's attourney to prove that she had criminal intent in keeping the ticket as opposed to innocently misplacing it as her lawyer suggested.  I am not sure how they get this point across to the jury though.  I am sure that the jury had the same issue in their collective head as you.  However the fact that the lottery ticket is a bearer share and therefore treated like the actual money in the eyes of the law is established.  I believe that the judge goes through these issues with the jury at some point during the case.  Therefore, "it was just a piece of paper" and therefore no crime is not a valid or acceptable reason to vote not guilty as a juror.  A juror must judge the defendant within the confines of established law.

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                Posted: December 14, 2005, 8:08 pm - IP Logged

                First she gives the information to the retailer to say that they sold the winning ticket.  She high fives everyone.  Tells her boss that he only won $17.  He finds out some other way.  IL lottery is paying him and his co-workers.  She claims the ticket was lost.  The ticket never gets cashed.  (this all from the media....can't say it's fact)

                He obviously didn't trust her that he only won $17 so he checks himself.  If he never trusted her, he shouldn't have sent her to check the tickets to begin with.

                The bullsh!t is definitly thick in this case.  Whatever the truth is doesn't matter anymore because they found her guilty.  Maybe she really did lose it.  Maybe she stole it and changed her mind. 

                I guess what I'm saying is.....I'm placing my money on the fact she's not going to be doing jail time.  The people got their money.  She's going to get probation and time already served.

                Sure but was it worth all the embaressment, not only did she humiliate herself but her whole family.
                She should serve time just for ruining the Leal name

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                  Posted: December 14, 2005, 8:17 pm - IP Logged

                  My final comment on this is...she looked guilty as sin coming out of the courthouse yesterday. If I was accused of this and innocent, you can bet I'd be talking to every camera and microphone within 100 feet. She couldn't do it. She stared at the sidewalk and slithered to her attorney's car. I don't see an appeal in this case.

                  Our justice system might have its problems, but it served its purpose in this case. The JURY decided it, not the DA, Defense Attorneys or Judge or money.

                  And that IS the American way...barring a few exceptions that I can think of where people got away with murder because they had the big money to do so for their legal "defense' and a jury that was totally incompetent and blind to the facts. (DNA?)

                  I agree

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                    Posted: December 14, 2005, 8:25 pm - IP Logged

                    By the way, in Spanish, Leal means loyal.

                    Thanks Dora now look what you did, Now this is what people all over america will think of "Leal" why don't you use your married name

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                      Posted: December 14, 2005, 9:53 pm - IP Logged

                      This was a failed theft of $175,000.  Her witnessed signature on the back of the ticket would prove that, hence Dora likely put it through the paper shredder!  Trying to excuse her criminal actions on being upset over a dog (and also trying to compare a dog to a baby) is just pathetic.  Jail, where she is, is exactly where she belongs!

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                        Posted: December 14, 2005, 10:03 pm - IP Logged

                        Raven,

                        The word "actually" appearing in Awesome's post is YOU playing with semantics in a big way.

                        The judgement came against her as it should have and the background that Awesome has provided precludes your conspiracy theory that Awesome had nothing to do with it. He/she was the first one to say that she was found guilty on this thread, and I already knew it this morning when I read this thread, also being from the Chicago area and getting the same newscasts. No one in this thread seemed to know that. What does Awesome gain by lying about his/her involvement? Notoriety...hah! Lawyer's fees...Yeah!

                        The judgement WAS made yesterday as televised on Chicago news as Awesome said. Awesome provided detailed descriptions of websites, facts and figures to prove his/her point.

                        The semantics game doesn't make sense to me here. Do you have a problem with Awesome that we are not aware of?

                        Since when does New Jersey do better news coverage of the IL lottery than WGN?

                        You are a lottery player right? What is the probability that one of the actual Wink Traders would appear at Lottery Post to discuss the case? Pretty low considering the population of the Earth.

                        When it comes to communication both written and spoken semantics plays an important part, particularly the way words are used or misused. The study of Human Behavior tells us that when attempting to deceive another, unnecessary adjectives will be used (such as actual) to validate what the deceiver knows in their own mind to be untrue.

                        It's like the scammers that send out emails they start out with: "This is not a scam..."

                        It's like Awe... said: "I'm an actual Trader..."

                        Anyone can surf the websites and present them as proof.

                         

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                          Posted: December 14, 2005, 10:04 pm - IP Logged

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                          There are problems with making analogies in the legal system - setting that aside.  Suppose you gave her a check for $190 to go and purchase the tickets.  A check would be similar to a lottery ticket.  It can be altered and exchanged for cash.  Then suppose she lost the check.  Would you then have her arrested because you believe - due to inconsistencies - but with no real proof - that she pocketed the check?  Or would you just stop payment on the check and perhaps fire her?

                          Some people are criminals.  Some are scum of the earth.  Perhaps many deserve a criminal record and prison.  Some deserve the death penalty.  I think this was extreme for all my previous reasons.

                          By the way, jurists have voted in defiance of a particular law many times.  It's one way they can exercise their authority and show their displeasure with the system.

                          This is my last comment for this topic.

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                            Posted: December 14, 2005, 10:16 pm - IP Logged

                            He's mad cause I called him an idiot yesterday.

                            People that are mad enter into communication using insults.

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                              Posted: December 14, 2005, 11:27 pm - IP Logged

                              A fellow with the smallest mind is the one who is usually most willing to give someone a piece of it.
                              Sorry. Had to pull a "Raven"
                              LOL

                              I'm kidding! I like your psycho-anaylzing little one liners. Their cute.
                              hehehe

                              No No

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