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Oklahoma LotteryOklahoma Lottery: Same Lotto Numbers Come Up Sat and Sun

The odds of the same Oklahoma Pick 3 lottery numbers coming up two nights in a row are a million to one, but that's just what happened last weekend.

The numbers 1-7-5 were selected at random both Saturday and Sunday night.

"We checked and double-checked all the procedures, and everything was done correctly. It was just one of those coincidences," Jim Scroggins, director of the Oklahoma Lottery Commission, said.

University of Central Oklahoma mathematician Larry Lucas says that on any given day, the odds of choosing the correct three numbers in the order drawn is one in 1,000. Those who select the numbers in order get a cash prize of $500.

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takeitez's avatar - japheth
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Posted: December 14, 2005, 8:16 am - IP Logged

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University of Central Oklahoma mathematician Larry Lucas says that on any given day, the odds of choosing the correct three numbers in the order drawn is one in 1,000. Those who select the numbers in order get a cash prize of $500.

  That takes a mathematician ???

  Wonder if they could find the odds in pick 4 ???  Thud

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    Posted: December 14, 2005, 8:22 am - IP Logged

    Of course people beat odds like this every time they win the lottery.

    If you analzye this situation, you see that there is a 50% chance of this occurring every 693,147 drawings.  If 30 states (it may be more) have pick 3, one would expect to see this event with a 50% every 47 years.

    The laws of probability however predict that it could happen again tomorrow.  Just because an event is improbable, does not mean it cannot occur.

    In fact, one of the most improbable events is being born.  Ignoring the probability that one's parents would meet and fall on love, every human being has beat odds of 1 in 70 trillion (roughly) to have been born at all.

     

     

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      Posted: December 14, 2005, 9:06 am - IP Logged

      Then, what would be the odds of two given states, Illinois and Iowa, to have the same Midday pick-4 numbers on a given day, in the exactly same order?

      By the same math as in the article, the odds would be 1 in 100,000,000 (10,000 x 10,000).

      While looking at the prediction winners page the other day, I found that the odds of 1 in 100M were actually beaten by one of LP platinum members, Bluegrass, on Monday, December 12, 2005.  Congrats to Bluegrass!

      (If anyone wants to see it, please click the following)

      http://www.lotterypost.com/predictions-winners.asp?d=12/12/2005

       

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        Posted: December 14, 2005, 9:21 am - IP Logged

        The odds are not a million to one for the same number to repeat in the next draw. They are still 1,000 to one.

        It happens frequently...we've all seen it happen before in our own states. I remember a pick 4 number doing that several years ago in IL.

        Posted 4/6:  IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit:  555, 347 (str8).


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          Posted: December 14, 2005, 9:37 am - IP Logged

          Crazy as it sounds, both are right, in a way they still are 1000 to 1 and in another way they are 1 000 000 to one, a paradox ? I don't know, but at the same time both are right.

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            Posted: December 14, 2005, 10:16 am - IP Logged

            Rick, I would think that if you predicted BEFORE the first draw that 2 in a row would come up, then it would be 1,000,000 to 1.

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              Posted: December 14, 2005, 10:22 am - IP Logged

              I have seen this happen so many times it' ridiculous.

              Look at 130 and 130 last week. Mid-Day/Night MO on December 2nd 2005.

              Now the chances are 1/1000 so it can happen every day or every week etc....

              This does happen in one of the states pretty much every week if not at least once a month.

              Didn't Cali just have a probblem with that the other night???? yeah it did but, a little different then normaly....

              Mon, Dec 12, 20059-8-1
              Sun, Dec 11, 20051-8-4
              Sat, Dec 10, 20051-8-9
              Fri, Dec 9, 20051-8-9


              Random my ??**&&^ & . I'm a computer technician and I can tell you right now that's a computer glitch as we call them.

              Cali. is computer all draws. It can happen with ball draws or computerized.

              Glitch = Random act of unexplained events

              Well just my Opinion.

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                Posted: December 14, 2005, 10:38 am - IP Logged

                Then, what would be the odds of two given states, Illinois and Iowa, to have the same Midday pick-4 numbers on a given day, in the exactly same order?

                By the same math as in the article, the odds would be 1 in 100,000,000 (10,000 x 10,000).

                While looking at the prediction winners page the other day, I found that the odds of 1 in 100M were actually beaten by one of LP platinum members, Bluegrass, on Monday, December 12, 2005.  Congrats to Bluegrass!

                (If anyone wants to see it, please click the following)

                http://www.lotterypost.com/predictions-winners.asp?d=12/12/2005

                 

                Anonymous, I believe Illinois and Iowa share the same pick 3 and pick 4 every day. Just as Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire does.

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                  Posted: December 14, 2005, 10:46 am - IP Logged

                  takeitez asked:

                  << That takes a mathematician ??? >>

                  Reporters like to lend an air of authority to their stories. If one wrote a story about sunrise they'd probably quote an astronomer saying the sun rises in the east. Of course there's also that story in the related stories box that says that some Oklahomans are baffled by pick 3. Clearly whoever wrote this story has a pretty poor grasp of simple math if they believe the odds of picking a particular number from 1000 choices is a million to one.

                   

                  anonymous77 asked: 

                  << Then, what would be the odds of two given states, Illinois and Iowa, to have the same Midday pick-4 numbers on a given day, in the exactly same order?  >>

                  It doesn't matter whether it's two states at the same time, the same state on consecutive days, or the same state on a specific date in consecutive years.  If you pick something from a pool of 10,000 choices there's a 1 in 10,000 chance that it will match the result of any other pick from an identical pool. The odds of a specific  number being drawn in any two drawings is  (Probabilty 1 X Probability 2), which for pick 3 is 1 in a million. I would hope that's what the lottery spokesman told the reporter, and the errors in the story are strictly the result of the reporter's inability to understand simple math, but the bit about testing theprocedures makes me wonder. Maybe  the claim is just a dog and pony show for the players who don't have a clue and think there's something  wrong whenthe same numbers come up,  but if the people running lotteries understand  their line of work they should expect it to happen about every 1000 drawings and accept it as a completely normal occurrence.

                   

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                    Posted: December 14, 2005, 11:14 am - IP Logged

                    Then, what would be the odds of two given states, Illinois and Iowa, to have the same Midday pick-4 numbers on a given day, in the exactly same order?

                    By the same math as in the article, the odds would be 1 in 100,000,000 (10,000 x 10,000).

                    While looking at the prediction winners page the other day, I found that the odds of 1 in 100M were actually beaten by one of LP platinum members, Bluegrass, on Monday, December 12, 2005.  Congrats to Bluegrass!

                    (If anyone wants to see it, please click the following)

                    http://www.lotterypost.com/predictions-winners.asp?d=12/12/2005

                     

                    Anonymous, I believe Illinois and Iowa share the same pick 3 and pick 4 every day. Just as Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire does.

                    litebets

                    Litebets27, thank you for letting me know.

                    Frankly, though I had learned here about the Tri-state systems, I could never imagine that Illinois and Iowa would share the same pick 3/4 system. Thanks again!

                     

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                      Posted: December 14, 2005, 12:36 pm - IP Logged

                      Litebets is correct, Illinois and Iowa use the same results.  Those who post predictions for both Iowa and Illionois are essentially placing a "double bet" on those numbers (twice the "risk"), but if they hit, they get twice the reward.

                       

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                        Posted: December 14, 2005, 12:48 pm - IP Logged

                        Another thing about the IL/IA numbers is the payout. It is Illinois who draws the numbers but Iowa has higher payouts on them. $1.00 pick 3 str in IL pays $500. and in IA it pays $600. $1.00 pick 4 str in IL pays $5,000 while in IA it pays $6,000.

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                          Posted: December 14, 2005, 1:22 pm - IP Logged

                          That's a surprise. Oklahoma has a drawing on Sunday.

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                            Posted: December 14, 2005, 4:23 pm - IP Logged

                            It very much depends on how you look at it.  The odds of a particular set of three numbers 1-8-9 repeating twice are 1 in 1 million.  However the odds of any two numbers repeating are one in 1 thousand.

                            I saw the problem the first way, but I understand that the second way is probably the way the whole thing was intended.

                            Seen more appropriately, in the second way, there is a 50% probability that this event (2 different drawings repeating) will occur every 693 days.  This is the ratio of ln(0.5)/ln(1-1/1000)