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Bradly_60's avatar - disney37
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Posted: December 27, 2005, 4:27 pm - IP Logged

I was in WI back in Sept and the store that I was at had their own scanner for customers to scan their own tickets to check to see if they were winners.  I doubt those machines work for instant tickets though.  Otherwise that would be a huge security issue.  I also have never seen tickets not connected to a roll unless the cashier accidently pulled to many off.  Michigan has self scanners for club keno but that its.  They should have it for other games also.

About the articile I don't find anything wrong with allowing retailers to buy their own tickets.  There isn't a way to get ahead of everyone else.  Unlike in casinos were they know the games well and how do you explain a casino employee winning huge amounts of money when that situation comes up.  That's why officials with lotteries aren't allowed to play.  You just don't want to have to explain that to people.  Retailers though....who cares?

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    Posted: December 27, 2005, 4:40 pm - IP Logged

    Some states have scanners that can check both onlilne and instant tickets (WI has GTECH - their latest models can check both)and there are layers of security to check for retailers who go "fishing" for winning tickets.

     

    Don't you WANT retailers buying tickets?  It's one of the ways players know the games are legit.

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      Yes its actually a practice I've been witness to here in PA- (re: scanning tickets prior to purchase). Recently asked a clerk why in a group of the ten tickets I bought most of them were very out of numeric order and just laying in the counter bin. Her response- "well for some of the clerks its harder to pull off the roll so we just tear them off in advance". Mind you on average I hit at least one winner in a series of ten- This time I bought ten, and they were each losers. Later on that night I went back and sure enough some of the clerks were tearing off the tickets and scanning them prior to placing them in the counter display. The ONLY time HQ lottery takes note of *odd* activity is if they entered the three digit code that is with the ticket. Otherwise it doesnt get entered *automatically* in the Lottery system. Its the code that unlocks it and enters it into the database for validation and pay out.

      As to these retailers who Steal from Peter to pay Paul, its a system that many a business uses in there accouting department . Are they practicing good Business ethics to do so, nope! Is it done often, yes. I think at the very least these lottery retailers should be allowed to play provided its not at there own terminal. Let them wait in line like the rest of the lottery players. This way they stay *clean* and still get to claim legitimately. This concept of *buying* back tickets is malarky. They just retain them (without putting money in the lottery till to cover this), and then IF the ticket hits they go back claim the winner and split out the small difference they owe the Lottery till. Its called rolling over money. They have thirty days to turn in there monthly revenue (or at least in my area they do.)

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        Posted: December 27, 2005, 6:33 pm - IP Logged

        Critics raise questions as retailers play by the rules and win scores of jackpots

        Shocking headlines.  Some one critisizing some one elses actions.  Who would have thought it possible! Some one being on the wrong end of the stick, and for what reason? Emotions, assumptions and personal predudice. Hang 'em high! For what? Doesn't matter, we don't agree with their actions, therefore they're bad people!  When in doubt, take someting small, amplify it, then everyone gang up on them.  The mob is always right.

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          Posted: December 27, 2005, 6:34 pm - IP Logged

           I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to purchase tickets if they weren't on the original roll of tickets. 

          I have a relatively high IQ and do dumb things all the time! Yet I'm the first to think "boy that person is dumb" when I read about a scam. My friends say "wait until it happens to you, Nancy," since I'm so critical when people mail money or are victims of schemes. However, I see the same people all the time at the stores I shop in and probably would buy a lone ticket if the cashier said she pulled it off the roll by mistake or that a previous customer asked for 5 and she tore off 6. Until now I honestly never knew there was a way to scan them, but I rarely buy scratch tickets. 

          Anyway, I want to say thanks to everyone. This is really good information as usual.  The topic interests me since last week I bought a Lotto ticket that someone left at 7-11. It was sitting on the machine. I was only trying to be nice since the guys were very busy.  The clerk said they were quickpicks (I checked) and that another customer had walked out without paying, so I didn't think there was any risk. Who knows? Maybe he didn't like the numbers?  Lotto is different from an instant ticket since the numbers haven't been picked yet, so there's no way that could have been a scam, plus I'm a regular at that store since I can walk to it from home. That being said, now that I've read this thread, maybe I should only buy tickets I watch popping out of the lottery machine.

          I wanted to ask people here what they would do if they purchased several tickets and was short one. About a month ago I bought a Grouper at a local Sunoco station. It's a group of 6 QPs for $5. You get a 3-pick, 4-pick, Fantasy5, MegaMoney and Lotto. The 6th ticket is free and can be any one of the latter 3 games. She handed me 5 tickets. So I put them on the counter and the one missing was the free ticket. I only knew that because it is marked "free" according to the lottery website. I was polite and asked for my missing ticket. She insisted I got 5 tickets. I explained that a Grouper is a 6 ticket game and wouldn't leave. There was no manager to call. Then my expression started to change and I insisted she look around the machine & on the floor. She wasn't very cooperative and then I added "and don't forget your pockets." I'm usually not nasty, but I was starting to lose my patience.  So I let her help the other customers and searched all around the lottery machine. She eventually found the ticket. But what if I had given up and left?  One time I handed a clerk some cards and got the wrong numbers. Apparently one of my cards was bent and didn't go through so the clerk decided to manually enter the numbers. I realize he was trying to do his job, but he never asked. Guess what? He goofed! These were numbers I've played for 10 years too. I kept the "bad" ticket anyway (superstitious) and bought another one, but I marked a new card. I never ask anyone to manually enter numbers for me.  I guess he thought he was doing me a favor and didn't mention it until I said "where'd these numbers come from?"  All I could think of was what if after a thousand draws that set of numbers had come up and I hadn't proofread my tickets.  Yikes.

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            Posted: December 27, 2005, 6:44 pm - IP Logged

            I've never played scratchers much, but this thread is enough to quell any urges I might have had in that direction in the future.

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              Posted: December 27, 2005, 7:03 pm - IP Logged

              justxploring,

              Ohio had a promotional thing last year that issued a free QP when $5-$10 worth of tickets were brought together.  I bought two $5 bunch and when the 2 free QPs pop out, the clerk tried to act like she didn't know who the QPs belonged to.  Apparently she thought it was a promotion to give the clerks a chance to play for free and since some of her customers didn't know about the promotion she had been keeping the extra tickets for herself.  I didn't turn her in to the owner, but she wasn't working there when I returned a few weeks later. 

              I think parts of lottery security systems are dependent on the players knowing the rules and using a little common sense when buying tickets.  Never buy a scratch-off ticket that might have been sold and discarded before you came into the store.

               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                 
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                Posted: December 27, 2005, 7:47 pm - IP Logged

                Yes its actually a practice I've been witness to here in PA- (re: scanning tickets prior to purchase). Recently asked a clerk why in a group of the ten tickets I bought most of them were very out of numeric order and just laying in the counter bin. Her response- "well for some of the clerks its harder to pull off the roll so we just tear them off in advance". Mind you on average I hit at least one winner in a series of ten- This time I bought ten, and they were each losers. Later on that night I went back and sure enough some of the clerks were tearing off the tickets and scanning them prior to placing them in the counter display. The ONLY time HQ lottery takes note of *odd* activity is if they entered the three digit code that is with the ticket. Otherwise it doesnt get entered *automatically* in the Lottery system. Its the code that unlocks it and enters it into the database for validation and pay out.

                As to these retailers who Steal from Peter to pay Paul, its a system that many a business uses in there accouting department . Are they practicing good Business ethics to do so, nope! Is it done often, yes. I think at the very least these lottery retailers should be allowed to play provided its not at there own terminal. Let them wait in line like the rest of the lottery players. This way they stay *clean* and still get to claim legitimately. This concept of *buying* back tickets is malarky. They just retain them (without putting money in the lottery till to cover this), and then IF the ticket hits they go back claim the winner and split out the small difference they owe the Lottery till. Its called rolling over money. They have thirty days to turn in there monthly revenue (or at least in my area they do.)

                "for some of the clerks it's harder to pull off the roll so we just tear them off in advance" uh-huh, it's REAL hard to tear that perforated ticket , isn't it. 

                Dupe Alert

                Gamegirl: don't walk.... RUN !! from that particular store.

                 

                                               

                              

                 

                 

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                  Posted: December 27, 2005, 7:50 pm - IP Logged

                  Patel reported 80 jackpots, mostly Pick-4, between 2000 and 2004, good for $138,786.

                  That's a nice pick four record. what ya think, lots of straights or is it multiple box wins?

                  "Money won is twice as sweet as money earned"

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                    justxploring,

                    Ohio had a promotional thing last year that issued a free QP when $5-$10 worth of tickets were brought together.  I bought two $5 bunch and when the 2 free QPs pop out, the clerk tried to act like she didn't know who the QPs belonged to.  Apparently she thought it was a promotion to give the clerks a chance to play for free and since some of her customers didn't know about the promotion she had been keeping the extra tickets for herself.  I didn't turn her in to the owner, but she wasn't working there when I returned a few weeks later. 

                    I think parts of lottery security systems are dependent on the players knowing the rules and using a little common sense when buying tickets.  Never buy a scratch-off ticket that might have been sold and discarded before you came into the store.

                    Good advice RJOh. As I wrote, I rarely buy them and mainly purchase Lotto and MegaMoney tickets. I've had a hard time this year with jobs, but I used to play more games.  I'm still amazed that instant tickets can be scanned without being scratched!  I chuckled when you wrote that the clerk in Ohio acted as if the free tickets belonged to her.  In my situation, I think it was an innocent mistake but I'll never know. In any case, I wondered what action could have been taken if the ticket wasn't found. I suppose if it won I'd have the other 5 tickets in the group for evidence, but I never would have known if 5/6 hit which is often over $5,000. I realize it was "only" one ticket, but I bought it and I wasn't leaving until I got what I paid for.

                     All these posts remind me of the movie "Matchstick Men" with Nicholas Cage. Excellent scene with a lottery scam.


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                      Posted: December 28, 2005, 11:54 am - IP Logged

                      These clerks would gladly pay 3000 for a 5000 ticket. Figure in taxes you get back 3500 or so, but they have so many losing tickets probably dumped in their trash cans they can just collect those and write those off against the winners, therefore getting the full amount back at end of year most likely.

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                        Yep!  That is why it pays to check your ticket yourself!!!  If you do not know the rules of the game; don't play.Naughty

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                          Posted: December 28, 2005, 8:08 pm - IP Logged

                          Yep!  That is why it pays to check your ticket yourself!!!  If you do not know the rules of the game; don't play.Naughty

                          Good advice to check tickets prior to leaving the machine play area.

                           I adored the "know the rules" of the game or don't play. When did the lotteries create that rule?

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                            Posted: December 29, 2005, 12:54 am - IP Logged

                            Another reason why I don't play scratchers. Plus I do not like all the dust left afterwards.

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                              Yep!  That is why it pays to check your ticket yourself!!!  If you do not know the rules of the game; don't play.Naughty

                              I agree it is very important to learn the rules to protect your winnings. However your statement about not playing if you don't know the rules would probably eliminate 75% of the players. Then most jackpots would be much smaller.  From what I can tell, most people haven't a clue when they buy a ticket at the local store. I hear people all the time ask "What's the jackpot this week? or "How much does it cost?" The whole idea of a State Lottery is that anyone can buy a ticket for any game as long as you're over 18.