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Man sues S.C. Lottery, claiming the state is misleading ticket buyers

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Posted: December 30, 2005, 12:05 pm - IP Logged

I don't understand why people buy scratch off tickets!  Think about it. 

1. It is absolutely impossible to win the top prize unless the top prize ticket happens to be in the store where you are buying tickets.

2. Somebody somewhere has to decide where to send the top prize winning ticket.

3. Look what happend in Indiana when someone in the lottery office told his buddy where the top prize winning ticket was!

4. There are better games from the online terminals (at least here in MI)

I think the main reasons people buy them are:

  1. It's fun to scratch off
  2. There are many varieties of games (and prices)
  3. You know instantly if you won anything -- so you can run back into the store and buy another handful! Wink

On point #3, I have seen that phenomena more times than I'd like.  People buying scratch tickets and then immediately buying more ... and more.  Unless you've got money to burn, that seems excessive to me.

 

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    BILOXI, MISSISSIPPI
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    Posted: December 30, 2005, 1:32 pm - IP Logged

    I USE THE GA. site to increase my odds    king kong has 7 unclimed prizes been on sale for 90 days  that means my odds are better            other games have only a few winners left  bad odds

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      Posted: December 30, 2005, 1:48 pm - IP Logged

      I USE THE GA. site to increase my odds    king kong has 7 unclimed prizes been on sale for 90 days  that means my odds are better            other games have only a few winners left  bad odds

      If you recall we've had that information available just a few years ... and it only came about after a news story revealed the fact that the information was not available even through call in customer service.

      Good luck to everyone!

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        Posted: December 30, 2005, 2:08 pm - IP Logged

        Bradly_60 wrote:

        << There is nothing wrong with states selling tickets after the top prize is awarded.  NO WHERE does it gaurantee that you will win the top prize.  How is it false advertising when they say you can win up to the top prize.  >>

        You're right that there's nothing wrong with selling the tickets. If people are stupid enough to buy them, there's also nothing wrong with selling tickets to a game where the only prize is a free ticket, and the odds od winning are 100 to 1. 

        The problem isn't the selling of the tickets, per se, but with how games are advertised, and even an idiot should be able to figure out that advertising something that isn't available is misleading. When an advertiser makes a claim that is materially false, they are guilty of false advertising. If a merchant sells you something that doesn't do what they claim, or doesn't come with the things they claimed it comes with the law says you're entitled to a refund. As with many other things involvong the government, the fox is guarding the henhouse, and what would get private businesses in trouble is often the staus quo for government agencies.

        Even if there is a list on the wall and it gets updated every 5 seconds, the games are still being advertised based on prizes that have already been claimed.Even if the lottery stops advertising in the media once top prizes are claimed, the tickets themselves will still be making claims that are then false. If the game had just a single million dollar winner, it will usually be clearly touted on the front of the ticket. It's always smart to be an informed consumer, but that doesn't mean merchants should be allowed to make claims that are patently false.

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          Posted: December 30, 2005, 2:10 pm - IP Logged

          There are no rules for the greedy or the careless.  That will remain a fact as long as there are trial lawyers.

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            konane's avatar - wallace
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            Posted: December 30, 2005, 2:32 pm - IP Logged

            Bradly_60 wrote:

            << There is nothing wrong with states selling tickets after the top prize is awarded.  NO WHERE does it gaurantee that you will win the top prize.  How is it false advertising when they say you can win up to the top prize.  >>

            You're right that there's nothing wrong with selling the tickets. If people are stupid enough to buy them, there's also nothing wrong with selling tickets to a game where the only prize is a free ticket, and the odds od winning are 100 to 1. 

            The problem isn't the selling of the tickets, per se, but with how games are advertised, and even an idiot should be able to figure out that advertising something that isn't available is misleading. When an advertiser makes a claim that is materially false, they are guilty of false advertising. If a merchant sells you something that doesn't do what they claim, or doesn't come with the things they claimed it comes with the law says you're entitled to a refund. As with many other things involvong the government, the fox is guarding the henhouse, and what would get private businesses in trouble is often the staus quo for government agencies.

            Even if there is a list on the wall and it gets updated every 5 seconds, the games are still being advertised based on prizes that have already been claimed.Even if the lottery stops advertising in the media once top prizes are claimed, the tickets themselves will still be making claims that are then false. If the game had just a single million dollar winner, it will usually be clearly touted on the front of the ticket. It's always smart to be an informed consumer, but that doesn't mean merchants should be allowed to make claims that are patently false.

            Possible solution ..... a small terminal in every store that sells scratch offs, which allows a potential customer to access current status of any scratcher based upon updates every 24 hours or more often if possible. 

            Offers an immediate means to find out if someone has questions and seems to place any purchase of scratchers in a category of informed consent.

            Expensive, but no more so than greed driven lawsuits.

            There is a risk in every action taken even walking across the street.  Lotteries are based upon taking a risk buying a chance at a prize.  No amount of lawsuits whether real of frivolous are going to remove the inherent factor of risk from playing a lottery. 

            People who are not willing to take the responsibility to inform themselves prior to buying a ticket of any sort should simply not play. ..... And just think the same people are issued drivers licenses and are allowed to vote.  Whoda' thunk it????????????

            Good luck to everyone!

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              toms river
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              Posted: December 30, 2005, 3:21 pm - IP Logged

              scratch offs  are  rip  offs,  stick  with  the  pick 3. i have been  playing  lottery  for  30 yrs  never  bought  a  scratch off,  your  a loser in the  long  run, plus when the  jackpot is  won, on  a  scratch off they  should  post  it. the  man  is  right.

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                Posted: December 30, 2005, 3:38 pm - IP Logged

                Bradly_60 wrote:

                << There is nothing wrong with states selling tickets after the top prize is awarded.  NO WHERE does it gaurantee that you will win the top prize.  How is it false advertising when they say you can win up to the top prize.  >>

                You're right that there's nothing wrong with selling the tickets. If people are stupid enough to buy them, there's also nothing wrong with selling tickets to a game where the only prize is a free ticket, and the odds od winning are 100 to 1. 

                The problem isn't the selling of the tickets, per se, but with how games are advertised, and even an idiot should be able to figure out that advertising something that isn't available is misleading. When an advertiser makes a claim that is materially false, they are guilty of false advertising. If a merchant sells you something that doesn't do what they claim, or doesn't come with the things they claimed it comes with the law says you're entitled to a refund. As with many other things involvong the government, the fox is guarding the henhouse, and what would get private businesses in trouble is often the staus quo for government agencies.

                Even if there is a list on the wall and it gets updated every 5 seconds, the games are still being advertised based on prizes that have already been claimed.Even if the lottery stops advertising in the media once top prizes are claimed, the tickets themselves will still be making claims that are then false. If the game had just a single million dollar winner, it will usually be clearly touted on the front of the ticket. It's always smart to be an informed consumer, but that doesn't mean merchants should be allowed to make claims that are patently false.

                Possible solution ..... a small terminal in every store that sells scratch offs, which allows a potential customer to access current status of any scratcher based upon updates every 24 hours or more often if possible. 

                Offers an immediate means to find out if someone has questions and seems to place any purchase of scratchers in a category of informed consent.

                Expensive, but no more so than greed driven lawsuits.

                There is a risk in every action taken even walking across the street.  Lotteries are based upon taking a risk buying a chance at a prize.  No amount of lawsuits whether real of frivolous are going to remove the inherent factor of risk from playing a lottery. 

                People who are not willing to take the responsibility to inform themselves prior to buying a ticket of any sort should simply not play. ..... And just think the same people are issued drivers licenses and are allowed to vote.  Whoda' thunk it????????????

                "This is some stupid person either trying to make a quick buck or get some attention.

                Brad "

                My sarcasm above was to state that I don't come anywhere near believing that people are as ill informed or victimized as they would lead the public to believe.

                Seems to me the person with the complaint was smart enough to figure out a possible technicality and begin to legally exploit it for compen$ation.

                Attorney(s) wants to win the lottery by gaining class action status.  Class action suits are home runs for attorneys only ... with plaintiffs being thrown a few crumbs for which they should be grateful.

                Good luck to everyone!

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                  Posted: December 30, 2005, 5:02 pm - IP Logged

                  People who are not willing to take the responsibility to inform themselves prior to buying a ticket of any sort should simply not play. ..... And just think the same people are issued drivers licenses and are allowed to vote.  Whoda' thunk it????????????

                  And the scary part is: They do drive and they do vote.  Now you know who they are talking to on their cell, their lawyers!

                  Cheers

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                    Posted: December 30, 2005, 5:11 pm - IP Logged

                    My home state of PA sends out a printout each day from the terminals to say what prizes remain or when a game is being "retired". Any time I am standing in line waiting my turn I review the list. You are even allowed to have the lottery attendent print the report that shows remaining prizes . How cool is that! Many folks don't think to ask if it can be done or if they are allowed to have one. Most often the lottery attendent will graciously abide. (they want winners as well as the rest of us players!).Each month they do print out a newsletter that resides near the terminals to make any important announcement or changes. Which I think is a great way to keep the players informed!

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                      Posted: December 30, 2005, 7:13 pm - IP Logged

                      I am also from SC and i agree if the top prizes are gone then you should know it in advance. However, you are taking a risk do to the words up to. So this is a catch-22.

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                        Posted: December 30, 2005, 9:10 pm - IP Logged

                        No scratchie on the counter !!!!! 

                        Too much graphite to clean up.

                         

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                          Posted: December 30, 2005, 9:22 pm - IP Logged

                          i agree with the lawsuit ..if i were given a fair chance to win,

                          then good, not a guarantee to win. 

                          several problems arise within the s.c.lottery systems. 

                          list not updated.  clerks not knowledgeable. should not require a cell phone

                          or internet. and last but not least. scratch offs are pulled in certain areas.

                          when main prize is gone.  This much i do know.

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                            Posted: December 31, 2005, 10:01 am - IP Logged

                            they (S.C.) need a page like this...

                            PA's instant  prizes remaining tracker...

                            http://www.palottery.state.pa.us/lottery/PALotto/instPrizes.asp

                            oh, wait... they DO...

                            http://www.sceducationlottery.com/games_statsreport.asp

                            don't all libraries have free internet access?

                            frivelous lawsuits. Roll Eyes

                            maybe they want to play musical chairs only they don't take a chair away when the music stops... so nobody feels left out...

                            Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

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                              Posted: December 31, 2005, 10:19 am - IP Logged

                              they (S.C.) need a page like this...

                              PA's instant  prizes remaining tracker...

                              http://www.palottery.state.pa.us/lottery/PALotto/instPrizes.asp

                              oh, wait... they DO...

                              http://www.sceducationlottery.com/games_statsreport.asp

                              don't all libraries have free internet access?

                              frivelous lawsuits. Roll Eyes

                              They seem to have covered their bases well because two columns state
                               
                              "Est. Top Prizes Left"  
                               
                              "Est. Total Prizes Left." 

                               

                              When a means is provided to find out information and people fail to use it, seems a very flimsy excuse to sue.  I personally hope it gets tossed out of court due to lack of merit.

                              I however am in favor of all lotteries disclosing this type information, making it available on their website or call in customer service so players can make an informed decision. 

                              Good luck to everyone!