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Man charged with forging lottery ticket claims it was a joke

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Lurk More N00b's avatar - ummm
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Posted: April 8, 2006, 4:23 pm - IP Logged

I disagree with the wisdom: "Never cash in a ticket you didnt buy." My cousin buys tickets and hands them out each christmas. we all delight in seeing who gets winners! the  philosphy then would mean we cant cash in our claims because we didn't buy them? Please. Being cautious is one thing. Making a blanket statement seems over the edge on this matter.

As to the two fellows being charged. I ask you this riddle. You are handed a ten dollar bill in change from a purchase at the grocery store. Is it real or is it fake? How many of you would just place it in your pocket as part of your days change and move along. You go to another store, using the ten and bam! Your held for questioning for passing a counterfeit bill. Are you guilty or not?  The law says you are. The courts would consider your circumstance. So be wise when passing judgement based on the law, Youd be surprised at how sometimes the circumstances arent always known til after the pre-judging by the masses is silenced.

First of all, that's not a riddle. It's merely a question of Mr. Joe Average being able to determine a counterfeit bill from the genuine article. Second, the gentleman that tried to cash the ticket seems to have been duped and perhaps should be exonerated. I won't speculate as to his innocence. The guy that made the fake, having allowed the first person to attempt to cash the ticket should be charged with fraud and attempted grand larceny. It sounds as though he genuinely wanted to defraud the system with this scam, but wanted the buffer of a second party to distance himself from the crime.
        Was it actually just a joke? Sure it was. Right after he got caught. Up until that point, it was a felonious attempt to steal a rather sizeable chunk of currency that he had no right to whatsoever. In this case, "pre-judging by the masses" to find the man who forged the fraudulent ticket guilty as sin seems entirely accurate to me.

    justxploring's avatar - villiarna
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    Posted: April 8, 2006, 6:06 pm - IP Logged

    As I've said in many posts about various articles, we don't know what really happened except what is reported, and I don't trust everything I read.  This probably started out as a prank that went too far. Maybe not. It's possible that I give people too much credit, but it's difficult for me to believe anyone would be stupid enough to think he could fool the lottery my making a fake ticket. I wonder if this guy prints $20 bills in his garage! Anyone with an IQ knows that the tickets are purchased through terminals connected to a server that records all the transactions, so the Lottery Commission always knows exactly where and when a winning ticket was bought. I doubt if I'd lie to officials, but let's say I did find a ticket and decided to be sneaky and claim it as mine. The first thing I'd do is check it out on the web site or in the newspaper. Then I'd wait until a couple of weeks before it expired to see if any announcements were made. They always list the retailer and the amount. If nobody claimed ownership, then I'd make a trip to the lottery office. I can't believe someone wouldn't even bother to see if it was in the paper or online.  

    BTW, I'm not that devious...I enjoy crime novels & movies, but it doesn't mean I'd commit murder or a bank heist either.  What RJOh wrote about people finding tickets is true suppose. Once I found a really nice watch in the sand and turned it into the police. Somebody had already reported it missing, but it would have been mine after 30 days. Maybe finding a lottery ticket isn't any different and doing the right thing will always pay off in the end.

      RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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      Posted: April 8, 2006, 6:47 pm - IP Logged

      This story reminds me of an crime warning that use to be popular a few years ago.  It was "Don't leave keys in your car and help a good kid go bad".  What good kid goes around looking for cars to steel?  A car with keys in it belongs to somebody and a thief knows it doesn't belong to him.  Everyone knows a winning ticket have to be purchased by someone, they just don't show up when you and your buddies need some money.

       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
         
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        justxploring's avatar - villiarna
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        Posted: April 8, 2006, 7:04 pm - IP Logged

        This story reminds me of an crime warning that use to be popular a few years ago.  It was "Don't leave keys in your car and help a good kid go bad".  What good kid goes around looking for cars to steel?  A car with keys in it belongs to somebody and a thief knows it doesn't belong to him.  Everyone knows a winning ticket have to be purchased by someone, they just don't show up when you and your buddies need some money.

        RJOh, you just reminded me of an episode on The Practice a few years ago. A businessman who was a law abiding taxpayer and didn't even have a traffic violation was at a hotel bar and a beautiful woman flirted with him. When he was on the witness stand he was furious that he had been charged, since he had been minding his own business and was tempted by this undercover cop. He became very interested in this woman and they had a drink together. He said he was a little hurt and disappointed when he found out she was a pro and asked him for money, but he figured "What the heck" since he was starving for physical contact. He said in his whole life he would never have approached a prostitute but the opportunity presented itself so he took it.  He was yelling something like "Why don't you have an armoured truck drop bags full of money in front of homeless people and arrest them for stealing?"  I definitely agree with you that a GOOD kid shouldn't be stealing cars, but some poor slob who works hard all his life to provide for his family thinks he finally hit the big time because he was duped. He was wrong when he lied, but temptation gets to the best of us.  As the great Mae West said "I generally avoid tempation unless I can't resist it."

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          Posted: April 8, 2006, 8:31 pm - IP Logged

          It's the consequences of temptation that make people think before acting.

          All lottery players buy tickets with their hard earn money and some who lose feel like a poor slob that been duped but that's no excuse to fake winning to steel thousands of dollars. The women in Cleveland who fake loosing the winning MM ticket a year ago probably felt the same even though she never showed up to make a claim. Lotteries probably run into these type of scams all the time, if they did nothing there would be more of them.

          If his buddies knew it was a joke then they should have stopped him before it became a crime or share the consequences of getting caught since they were willing to share the spoils if it worked.

           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
             
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            Posted: April 8, 2006, 9:18 pm - IP Logged

            "As I've said in many posts about various articles, we don't know what really happened except what is reported..."

               The comments that follow an article are based on the "facts" that are presented in the story. I agree that "facts" are often misrepresented in the press and should be taken with a grain of salt. Unless people want to do their own research into the matter, it is the original story on which they will base their comments. The original story, whether factual or false, is what's being presented for discussion.
                This is by no means an attempt to discredit your opinion, just an opinion of my own.

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              Posted: April 9, 2006, 3:35 pm - IP Logged

              "But, can we start spending the money, as soon as the Lottery officials write the check??"

               

              Good question, Libra!  Before claiming my prize I would definitely give notice and move out of my apartment, but I'd need money to live on. Maybe that's why people always say to act normally, don't tell anyone, and keep your job, but I'd probably just use my Visa for a month. I always assumed it would be available a few days after the money was claimed, but I guess I was wrong. 4 to 6 weeks seems like a long time if that's a normal delay. Sounds as if they want to run a person's credit history and criminal background. In this day where everything is wired electronically, I would think 5 to 7 days would be enough time to transfer any amount of money.

               

              First article: The Powerball jackpot continues to climb. Even though the grand prize was not hit Wednesday evening, 853,497 players across the nation won a total of more than $7.5 million in prizes in "America's Game".

              Second article: "...they showed up with what appeared to be a "second-tier" winner worth $853,942."

               

               

              Notice that the number in the 2 articles posted are almost identical? 

               

              4/9/2006

              HAPPY 'PALM SUNDAY' JUST.......

              YES MY FRIEND.....you are reading my mind on this Prize Winning issue. However, while I can understand that they might want to run a 'criminal background check'  or  'Back Alimoney Payments/Back Child Support Payments check '  I see no reason for them to run any other kind of check on us.  Your credit History is 'your business'....and has nothing to do with winning anything.....'even a bean contest'.  (I won that once when I was a kid)  I mean to say, after you win the prize money,  you'd be able to pay EVERYBODY WHATEVER IS OWED TO THEM. .LOLOLOLOL LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL....