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Official gets 8 years at home for rigging lottery

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Posted: March 4, 2008, 5:21 am - IP Logged

I'm going to say something about the lottery and about humans and hope it doesnt get misunderstood or taken the wrong way.

 

THE LOTTERY IS FIXED Why? Because HUMANS are FIXED!!

It is human nature to steal! No matter how precious we think we are in our "so called" good nature, humans are crooks at heart, we steal, from one another and always have, and always will.

Humans are sort of like a pile of crap that stinks, and that pile of crap can do nothing but stink. You can throw some water on it but that pile of crap will still stink!  

Additionally you can plug your nose but that pile of crap will still stink!

 

In otherwords things like what this guy did (some on a larger scale some on a smaller scale) are a daily occurance in the world of humans, in our human race some get caught , some dont, but eventually it all goes back to our human nature, we stink!!!

Some other things that stink, are;

LOVE

HATE

GREED

YOUR JOB

YOUR BOSS

The President

The MEDIA

WINNING the lottery

Losing the lottery

 Judges

lawyers

crooks

religion

disease

WAR

MONEY

Dying

living

starvation

poverty

WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE

Accept it for what it is!

The guy simply got greedy who hasnt?

 

The root of ALL EVIL is GREED!

 

Just so no one thinks I am a total pesimist and simply dissin humans, ok a pile of crap can do some good once in a while, sure, it does makes good fertilizer!

 

One man figures out a way to STEAL some MONEY another figures out a way to WIN some MONEY but in the end their both after the same thing!

MONEY!

The root of all evil is the LOVE OF MONEY!

GREED!

It's a NanoLike World!

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    Posted: March 4, 2008, 1:49 pm - IP Logged

    good for him, it is bad that he got caught.

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      Posted: March 4, 2008, 5:30 pm - IP Logged

      I'm going to say something about the lottery and about humans and hope it doesnt get misunderstood or taken the wrong way.

       

      THE LOTTERY IS FIXED Why? Because HUMANS are FIXED!!

      It is human nature to steal! No matter how precious we think we are in our "so called" good nature, humans are crooks at heart, we steal, from one another and always have, and always will.

      Humans are sort of like a pile of crap that stinks, and that pile of crap can do nothing but stink. You can throw some water on it but that pile of crap will still stink!  

      Additionally you can plug your nose but that pile of crap will still stink!

       

      In otherwords things like what this guy did (some on a larger scale some on a smaller scale) are a daily occurance in the world of humans, in our human race some get caught , some dont, but eventually it all goes back to our human nature, we stink!!!

      Some other things that stink, are;

      LOVE

      HATE

      GREED

      YOUR JOB

      YOUR BOSS

      The President

      The MEDIA

      WINNING the lottery

      Losing the lottery

       Judges

      lawyers

      crooks

      religion

      disease

      WAR

      MONEY

      Dying

      living

      starvation

      poverty

      WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE

      Accept it for what it is!

      The guy simply got greedy who hasnt?

       

      The root of ALL EVIL is GREED!

       

      Just so no one thinks I am a total pesimist and simply dissin humans, ok a pile of crap can do some good once in a while, sure, it does makes good fertilizer!

       

      One man figures out a way to STEAL some MONEY another figures out a way to WIN some MONEY but in the end their both after the same thing!

      MONEY!

      The root of all evil is the LOVE OF MONEY!

      GREED!

      Love is a beautiful thing.   I will disagree with you on it sinking.

      Being blessed with lots of love is worth more than any lottery prize that has ever been available.

       

      Living doesn't sink either.  If one hates, living, they are not truly living.  Try it for a day.  It is wonderful.

       

      Some of my most precious moments:

      Looking into the eyes of my grandchildren and hearing what they have to say.

      Watching my grandchildren figure things out for themselves.

      Waiting up next to my hubby in the morning.  Watching him sleep before rising to go to work.

      Sipping my coffee and rubbing my cat each morning in the morning sunlight.

      Listening to my diabled children recall multiplication facts that we have been going over for months.

           OLD/Vtrac   Lottery Bible         Double Warnings      Thumbs Up TN F34/F44

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        Posted: March 6, 2008, 11:23 pm - IP Logged

        I have a question....

        How did anyone find out about this inside scam?

        I would never seriously consider cheating like that, but if I did, and I collected a any amount of money let alone a jackpot....

        I damn sure wouldn't tell anyone

        and I would kneecap anyone threating to rat me out!

        "know your limitations, but excede your expectations"

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          Posted: March 7, 2008, 10:42 am - IP Logged

          I have a question....

          How did anyone find out about this inside scam?

          I would never seriously consider cheating like that, but if I did, and I collected a any amount of money let alone a jackpot....

          I damn sure wouldn't tell anyone

          and I would kneecap anyone threating to rat me out!

          Jim695 posted the answer to how anyone found out.

           

          Foltz and Adkins then drove to Crown Point. They stopped at a little Mom & Pop store there and bought every $20 scratch-off in the place, spending between seven and eight hundred dollars and, sure enough, they found a ticket worth a million dollars. The next day, one of the men went to Hoosier Lottery headquarters and claimed $25,000, which was half of the first installment. Hoosier Lottery Director Jack Ross paid the claim personally, but told him that his friend would have to come in to claim his share in person. 

          When the other guy showed up the next day to claim his $25k, he was recognized as an acquaintance of Foreman by William Holcraft, a Hoosier Lottery Internal Security Investigator. He went to the Indiana State Police and launched an investigation, and the next thing you know, reporters began to call Hoosier Lottery officials, asking some embarrassing questions. Holcraft was immediately "fired," but not before signing another "Confidential Agreement" saying that, in consideration of a $7,500 payoff, Holcraft will call the Hoosier Lottery Director and give him a heads-up if Holcraft is questioned about this matter by the police or by the FBI, either now or at any time in the future. Another condition the agreement stipulates is that Holcraft will have to pay back almost ten times that amount if he discloses or discusses any aspect of the case, or of the deal he accepted from the Hoosier Lottery, and that he agrees to plead guilty to any subsequent disclosure charges, whether he hires an attorney or not. I can speak with confidence about this agreement because I have a hard copy of it, thanks to an investigative reporter who sent it to LosingJeff and me. 

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            Posted: March 7, 2008, 4:25 pm - IP Logged

            Jim695 posted the answer to how anyone found out.

             

            Foltz and Adkins then drove to Crown Point. They stopped at a little Mom & Pop store there and bought every $20 scratch-off in the place, spending between seven and eight hundred dollars and, sure enough, they found a ticket worth a million dollars. The next day, one of the men went to Hoosier Lottery headquarters and claimed $25,000, which was half of the first installment. Hoosier Lottery Director Jack Ross paid the claim personally, but told him that his friend would have to come in to claim his share in person. 

            When the other guy showed up the next day to claim his $25k, he was recognized as an acquaintance of Foreman by William Holcraft, a Hoosier Lottery Internal Security Investigator. He went to the Indiana State Police and launched an investigation, and the next thing you know, reporters began to call Hoosier Lottery officials, asking some embarrassing questions. Holcraft was immediately "fired," but not before signing another "Confidential Agreement" saying that, in consideration of a $7,500 payoff, Holcraft will call the Hoosier Lottery Director and give him a heads-up if Holcraft is questioned about this matter by the police or by the FBI, either now or at any time in the future. Another condition the agreement stipulates is that Holcraft will have to pay back almost ten times that amount if he discloses or discusses any aspect of the case, or of the deal he accepted from the Hoosier Lottery, and that he agrees to plead guilty to any subsequent disclosure charges, whether he hires an attorney or not. I can speak with confidence about this agreement because I have a hard copy of it, thanks to an investigative reporter who sent it to LosingJeff and me. 

            Thanks for the info LL...

            I missed that part of the conversation...

            I still would have denied the whole thing...hehehhe

            "know your limitations, but excede your expectations"

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              Posted: March 8, 2008, 4:53 am - IP Logged

              that goes to show you that the lottery board knows where the winning ticket go and it just makes you think that this surelly cant be the first time this has happend and wont be the last

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                Posted: March 8, 2008, 7:30 am - IP Logged

                that goes to show you that the lottery board knows where the winning ticket go and it just makes you think that this surelly cant be the first time this has happend and wont be the last

                Excellent point!!...sad to say..:(

                "know your limitations, but excede your expectations"

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                  Posted: March 8, 2008, 12:48 pm - IP Logged

                  that goes to show you that the lottery board knows where the winning ticket go and it just makes you think that this surelly cant be the first time this has happend and wont be the last

                  I agree. I thought that when the lottery officials sent the scratch-off tickets to the stores, that they had no knowledge where the winners went to. This just makes me not want to buy any ever again. Not that I really bought many, but every now and then I would pick up one. I don't think I'll be doing that much anymore.

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                    I agree with everyone here that the sentence was way too light, but it also raises a bigger question that no one seems to be asking; and that is HOW did he know where the winning ticket was going to be sold?  I thought no one was supposed to know that! ... Especially lottery officials!!!  I guess it stands to reason why so many winning tickets are in certain zip codes ...  I've noticed that for a while now in both NY and NJ.  Makes you say hmmm.  The other story about all the winners in a little NY store lends itself to the same issue. [Quoted from Feisty1]

                    Exactly, there seems to be something wrong with the "System" Lottery, not the participants who play a part.  >Michael J. Smith

                    Indeed, that isthe question?  How did he know where the winning tickets were and who else knows?  Is that why the clerks ask for a tip, they know?

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                      Posted: March 18, 2008, 6:56 am - IP Logged

                      wow i am in shock i didint know before right now that anybody could know where a winning ticket is going to. i havent bought a scratch off ticket in nearly 4 months, i guess ill stick with online games.

                       

                      But to be honest i really dont think that the case is that serious. i dont think its anywhere near a crime like lets say rape, murder, etc.. i actually think the sentence is too harsh. 1 year in prison and another year in probation is a fair sentecing IMO. 8 years house arrest is too much 

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                        Posted: March 18, 2008, 9:23 am - IP Logged

                        I don't understand, why he would do it?  Lose good job over a 1 million scratch off?


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                          wow i am in shock i didint know before right now that anybody could know where a winning ticket is going to. i havent bought a scratch off ticket in nearly 4 months, i guess ill stick with online games.

                           

                          But to be honest i really dont think that the case is that serious. i dont think its anywhere near a crime like lets say rape, murder, etc.. i actually think the sentence is too harsh. 1 year in prison and another year in probation is a fair sentecing IMO. 8 years house arrest is too much 

                          While you are correct in saying his crime isn't as serious as rape & murder,you are wrong in thinking that it isn't serious.He helped two men steal a MILLION DOLLARS,he betrayed the publics trust and the trust of his office.I personally think he got off to easy.Like most white collar criminals,he was treated with kid gloves.He should have been sentenced to very lengthy amount of time (far more than 8 years) in the state prison.He belongs with the other criminals that steal from people,the armed robbers and the burglars of the state.Why should a white collar criminal get special treatment...a thief is thief no matter how he stole the money.

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                            Posted: March 18, 2008, 1:47 pm - IP Logged

                            wow i am in shock i didint know before right now that anybody could know where a winning ticket is going to. i havent bought a scratch off ticket in nearly 4 months, i guess ill stick with online games.

                             

                            But to be honest i really dont think that the case is that serious. i dont think its anywhere near a crime like lets say rape, murder, etc.. i actually think the sentence is too harsh. 1 year in prison and another year in probation is a fair sentecing IMO. 8 years house arrest is too much 

                            I think the man got what he deserved. He took the trust of the public and I for one am now skeptical of playing scratch-offs because I feel there is cheating going on. Plus, a million dollars is a lot of money. If he stole that from a bank, he may have gotten 8 years or more in prison. He is on house arrest, which isn't as bad as being in prison. 

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                              While you are correct in saying his crime isn't as serious as rape & murder,you are wrong in thinking that it isn't serious.He helped two men steal a MILLION DOLLARS,he betrayed the publics trust and the trust of his office.I personally think he got off to easy.Like most white collar criminals,he was treated with kid gloves.He should have been sentenced to very lengthy amount of time (far more than 8 years) in the state prison.He belongs with the other criminals that steal from people,the armed robbers and the burglars of the state.Why should a white collar criminal get special treatment...a thief is thief no matter how he stole the money.

                              going to the bank and stealing 1 million dollers or buying a lottery ticket and winning 1 millions dollers are no where near each other. lottery tickets are going to be won somehow someway. but the 1 million in the bank, thats peoples money no one will win them. He was stupid for telling 2 people where the ticket is i would agree with anyboyd would say this.the very worst he couldve done is buy the ticket for himself.