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Study: Hoosier Lottery has worst financial decline in USA

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Posted: September 25, 2009, 2:47 pm - IP Logged

Jim

Glad you posted to this thread. You should check the comments on the actual story on the indy channel website. Search lottery. They are pulling negative comments pretty fast though, including 5-7 of my comments.

There is a guy who used to work for the lottery who is giving lots of false info there. He did say he has a friend who just won $10,000 on a scratcher, which "proves" the indiana lottery isnt rigged. Imagine that, a lottery worker who's friend won 10K...

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    Posted: September 25, 2009, 3:35 pm - IP Logged

    I would hope that this would be a wake up call for states who are computerized, but I know they see nothing wrong with RNG, so they will continue to use them. Dead

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      Posted: September 25, 2009, 4:53 pm - IP Logged

      Thanks for the heads-up, vistaguy - I'm reading some of them now.

      The guy "who used to work for the lottery" is probably Andrew Reed, Hoosier Lottery Spokesman, official Spin Doctor and one of the biggest pathological liars the state of Indiana has ever produced.

      The Hoosier Lottery administration has changed several times over the years but, somehow, Mr. Reed is the ONLY one who managed to keep his job; everyone else was replaced every time a new director was installed. Mr. Reed insists that that the Hoosier Lottery's liability limit for their Daily Games is $2 million, but he can't point to the statute which mandates it, because it's entirely imaginary. ALL other state lotteries have mandated statutory liability limits. The Hoosier Lottery instead prefers to actively track player selections as they're being sold. This enables them to select the numbers with the least amount of play, and to ensure that they don't have to pay any winners in those games.

      One thing I forgot to mention in my previous post is that there were 288 Daily-3 numbers which haven't been drawn since July, 2000. LosingJeff and I painstakingly researched this in 2004 by going through every single drawing for the previous four years. I still have the list somewhere in our files, but it would appear there's really no reason to update it. That essentially removes almost 30% of the 1,000 possible combinations, and increases the likelihood of "zero" payouts in their Daily-3 game.

      Indiana residents actually have a better chance of winning something in the PowerBall game than they do in the Hoosier Lottery's Daily-3 game. I won $860 in last Wednesday's PowerBall drawing, thanks to Steve Player and OpCom, Inc. (after two days, I finally gave up trying to post images of my tickets). In fact, Indiana has more PowerBall jackpot winners than any other state, which actually paints a pretty bleak picture of how things are done in Indianapolis. Most people would find it truly amazing that our legisature hasn't launched their own investigation, but the Hoosier Lottery is an open cookie jar full of cash for our senators, representatives and other state officials, because they're not required to account for how they spend any money they take out.

      Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night...

      Jim

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        Sounds like we all need to boycott computerized states and buy in ball states if possible. It would also help if everyone would contact those states and let them know WHY they're boycotting. I will now travel 25 miles to VA. and stop buying in TN. except for Powerball. I will let TN. know about it too.


                                                     
                             
                                                 

         

         

         

         

                                                                                                           

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          Posted: September 25, 2009, 10:32 pm - IP Logged

          vOTE WITH YOUR DOLLARS.   only buy from real drawing states and not  fake ones

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            Idaho must be following in the footsteps of Indiana. from what you have explained, Idaho is following lockstep with Indiana. Many days of not only Pic3 but this new game of the Double Draw game as well as Wild card are all rigged.

             They also have no external auditing of these games.

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              Posted: September 28, 2009, 9:14 am - IP Logged

              Sounds like we all need to boycott computerized states and buy in ball states if possible. It would also help if everyone would contact those states and let them know WHY they're boycotting. I will now travel 25 miles to VA. and stop buying in TN. except for Powerball. I will let TN. know about it too.

                   rdgrnr:

                   I'm proud to be able to say that I haven't bought a single Hoosier Lottery ticket since 2003, except for PowerBall tickets. I still play that game because it's drawn mechanically in another state (Florida), well out of reach of the hopelessly corrupt Hoosier Lottery.

                   We've talked about boycotts before, but most people have trouble overcoming the fear that their numbers will come up if they don't play. They'll root for the rest of us as they head to the store in their quest to give their money away, but generally they figure that if we're not playing, their chances of winning have just gone up significantly.

                   I think it's ironic that Indiana has more PowerBall jackpot winners than any other state, and yet lottery players here are unable to crack the Hoosier Lottery's Daily-3 game. I find it even more ironic that investigative reporters from around the country aren't looking into this mathematical anomaly. Joe Pfister told us there are two reasons Delaware and South Carolina pay out so much money for their daily games: 1). "... because those states have a more affluent population than Indiana" (translation: "too many poor people live here") and, 2). "Delaware and South Carolina have more border states than Indiana has, and therefore they get more out-of-state lottery players." I'm guessing Joe didn't do well in geography class, because he seemed a little confused when we explained that the eastern borders of both states abut the Atlantic Ocean.

                   Good for you, rdgrnr. Fifty miles is a long way to drive just to make a statement. That you're willing to do it speaks volumes about your commitment to our cause, though, and I hope you win Virginia's next jackpot.

                   That'll show 'em!

              Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night...

              Jim

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                     rdgrnr:

                     I'm proud to be able to say that I haven't bought a single Hoosier Lottery ticket since 2003, except for PowerBall tickets. I still play that game because it's drawn mechanically in another state (Florida), well out of reach of the hopelessly corrupt Hoosier Lottery.

                     We've talked about boycotts before, but most people have trouble overcoming the fear that their numbers will come up if they don't play. They'll root for the rest of us as they head to the store in their quest to give their money away, but generally they figure that if we're not playing, their chances of winning have just gone up significantly.

                     I think it's ironic that Indiana has more PowerBall jackpot winners than any other state, and yet lottery players here are unable to crack the Hoosier Lottery's Daily-3 game. I find it even more ironic that investigative reporters from around the country aren't looking into this mathematical anomaly. Joe Pfister told us there are two reasons Delaware and South Carolina pay out so much money for their daily games: 1). "... because those states have a more affluent population than Indiana" (translation: "too many poor people live here") and, 2). "Delaware and South Carolina have more border states than Indiana has, and therefore they get more out-of-state lottery players." I'm guessing Joe didn't do well in geography class, because he seemed a little confused when we explained that the eastern borders of both states abut the Atlantic Ocean.

                     Good for you, rdgrnr. Fifty miles is a long way to drive just to make a statement. That you're willing to do it speaks volumes about your commitment to our cause, though, and I hope you win Virginia's next jackpot.

                     That'll show 'em!

                how have you been jim?   hope losingjeff is doing good.i remember us all having these discussions years ago and at the time i never thought tennessee would end up doing the RNG but they did.we had one of the best lotteries in the nation the first couple years and then the bottom fell out.i haven't bought a lottery ticket here since february of 2007 almost three years ago.hey jim did you hear about the new arkansas lottery?    they are going to be RNG drawn.

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                  Posted: October 1, 2009, 6:12 pm - IP Logged

                  if Indiana lotto continues to be  bad,   then if you live near border, play border state. if not, play online   like that betslips  thing.

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                    Posted: October 3, 2009, 10:59 pm - IP Logged

                    No surprise here. I was very skeptical of this lottery before I knew the drawings were computerized. I originally began purchasing scratchers and like previously said, I would buy 10 or 20 and not win once; while the odds were 1:4. Sure enough, I emailed them and was told that 1 in 4 tickets printed were winners, but players were not guaranteed to win every 4 tickets. I realize the tickets are distributed to many vendors, but the tickets are printed in runs, so theoretically you should win every 4 tickets.

                    I also support the fact that the hoosier lottery drawings ARE rigged. Anytime financial downfall is reported for a town such as Elkhart, the jackpot mysteriously shows up there. This has happened MANY times. Elkhart and Connorsville are the most recent if I recall. I'll put my money on the powerball, not some rigged lottery system that doesn't pay out.

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                      Posted: October 4, 2009, 12:18 pm - IP Logged

                      I think someone posted, long ago, that if you did a 'workout' on the numbers, they would fall in the drawing -- unless you actually played them. Skeptical

                      No way to really test that across many states to confirm if it really happens in some places, or just feels that way after you've collected a pile of losing tickets. Cussing Face

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                        Posted: October 4, 2009, 9:03 pm - IP Logged

                        No surprise here. I was very skeptical of this lottery before I knew the drawings were computerized. I originally began purchasing scratchers and like previously said, I would buy 10 or 20 and not win once; while the odds were 1:4. Sure enough, I emailed them and was told that 1 in 4 tickets printed were winners, but players were not guaranteed to win every 4 tickets. I realize the tickets are distributed to many vendors, but the tickets are printed in runs, so theoretically you should win every 4 tickets.

                        I also support the fact that the hoosier lottery drawings ARE rigged. Anytime financial downfall is reported for a town such as Elkhart, the jackpot mysteriously shows up there. This has happened MANY times. Elkhart and Connorsville are the most recent if I recall. I'll put my money on the powerball, not some rigged lottery system that doesn't pay out.

                        even if you buy 10-20  scratchers and not win once,   doesn't mean there odd isn't 1 in 4.   If they say 1 in 4 are winners,  1 in 4 are winners, could be  in another  stretch,   10 winners in a row.

                         

                        other than pb and scratch,  we should avoid computer draws and only play the ball drawings