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Iowa court says man can't collect casino winnings

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Grovel's avatar - f800e6a39fbfea795d1dcbb09f2244
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Posted: February 14, 2010, 12:07 pm - IP Logged

I don't feel too sorry for him. He knew he was banned from that casino, yet he kept trespassing and going back. If he wants to win and keep his money, he needs to go to a casino that he isn't banned from.

I have to agree The guy knew he was banned yet he went back. It would be the same thing if a 17 year old bought a scratch off ticket and won. They have no right to the money.

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    Posted: February 14, 2010, 3:22 pm - IP Logged

    truecritic,

    "I can understand the ruling but it doesn't say if the casino gave him back his money that he had when he walked in? "

    Darn good point. There was a cast at Caesar's in Vegas where someone won a large jackpot on a progressive slot. I forgrt the amoung but it was six figures. Casino surveillance had it all on film (cameras are always on such machines, a "dedicated" camera if you will).

    Everything was on the up and up, but, when the guy who pulled the handle went to the cage for the paperwork it turned out he was only 19. He didn't look 19, had a full beard, etc., was about 6' 5".

    A whole family was at the machine taking turns on it and it just so happened that the jackpot hit when the 19 year old was playing it.

    Caesar's wanted to pay him but the Nevada Gaming Commission said no can do.

    Let's back up a little. Survellance had it all on tape. How many pulls of the handle (this was 1980s), etc...

    Not once did anyone say anything about giving them back what they had put in the machine.

    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

    Lep

    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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      Posted: February 14, 2010, 5:07 pm - IP Logged

      I don't trust casino's.I hear too many bad stories about casino's. If your on a one armed slot and you win big time, the management says the payline must be exactly on and you think your on it , management looks at it and says "YOU LOSE".You get angry and management just smiles. Anyone for a Quick Pick ?.

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        Posted: February 14, 2010, 6:41 pm - IP Logged

        truecritic,

        "I can understand the ruling but it doesn't say if the casino gave him back his money that he had when he walked in? "

        Darn good point. There was a cast at Caesar's in Vegas where someone won a large jackpot on a progressive slot. I forgrt the amoung but it was six figures. Casino surveillance had it all on film (cameras are always on such machines, a "dedicated" camera if you will).

        Everything was on the up and up, but, when the guy who pulled the handle went to the cage for the paperwork it turned out he was only 19. He didn't look 19, had a full beard, etc., was about 6' 5".

        A whole family was at the machine taking turns on it and it just so happened that the jackpot hit when the 19 year old was playing it.

        Caesar's wanted to pay him but the Nevada Gaming Commission said no can do.

        Let's back up a little. Survellance had it all on tape. How many pulls of the handle (this was 1980s), etc...

        Not once did anyone say anything about giving them back what they had put in the machine.

        OUCH!

        Of course, what they put into the slot would've been a pittance but they shouldn't lose their own money.

        If someone looked underage at your table, did you let them play anyway?  Or were you supposed to card them before handing them the dice (cards, whatever)?

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          Posted: February 14, 2010, 7:16 pm - IP Logged

          Giving it some more thought...

          What if someone underage has cigarettes - they lose their cigarettes, get fined and don't get their money back for the illegal cigarettes.

          What if someone underage buys a $20 scratch off ticket and loses - they can't claim they were underage and demand a refund.   Hopefully if they win, they give it to someone old enough to cash it.  What's the penalty for holding a lottery ticket when you are underage?

          If you buy a stolen car (not knowing it was stolen) and police confiscate it, you don't get your money back.  Unless you sue the one that was selling the stolen car (good luck getting anything while they are in prison).

          If you accidentally get a counterfeit $100 bill and turn it in, you don't get your money back.

          I'm sure there are more examples.

          Darn!  Unhappy

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            Posted: February 14, 2010, 10:49 pm - IP Logged

            That whole "concerned about the integrity of the games" thing doesn't come to the fore while the players are losing, just when they win a bunch. Dead

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              Posted: February 15, 2010, 2:27 am - IP Logged

              On table games casinos are paranoid about players being underage. There's exceptions, maybe truck stops somewhere with a BJ table.

              There's a place on I-15 (or was, not sure it's still there) where the guy who fueled up the trucks and was a cashier would deal blackjack if someone wanted to play.

              But a big casino isn't going to risk it's license so someone underage can make a bet.

              One night we carded a Hawaiin lady, who looked verey young. Surprise! She was 40!

              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

              Lep

              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                Posted: February 15, 2010, 12:04 pm - IP Logged

                Absolute bull<snip>.  I would burn the place to the ground just out of spite.  Another example of "Casino Law".  Similar thing happened to me in Las Vegas about 6 years ago.  I was playing blackjack at Ceaser's Palace, and because I hit a very lucky streak they accused me of counting cards.  They gave me back what I bought in for - $1200 - but they kept all the money that I won from playing -$11,000.  I was also told by the head of thier security that if they saw me at a blackjack table in there I would be arrested.  I have spent a LOT of money at Ceaser's over the years.  I have also won a lot too, but this just goes to show that casinos do not like people who win big.

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                Am I understanding right?..They kept 11,000 that you won?..It's not against the law to count cards but if the casinos catch you doing it they can make you leave but not take the money you've won?..

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                  Posted: February 15, 2010, 1:51 pm - IP Logged

                  Am I understanding right?..They kept 11,000 that you won?..It's not against the law to count cards but if the casinos catch you doing it they can make you leave but not take the money you've won?..

                  It's like I said earlier - you're quite welcome to lose a lot but you're not allowed to win a lot. If you win a lot you must be cheating and you will be thrown out and barred.

                  And the definition of cheating in casinos is winning.

                  Nice racket, eh?  Next best thing to being the IRS.


                                                               
                                       
                                                           

                   

                   

                   

                   

                                                                                                                     

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                    Posted: February 15, 2010, 7:21 pm - IP Logged

                    Am I understanding right?..They kept 11,000 that you won?..It's not against the law to count cards but if the casinos catch you doing it they can make you leave but not take the money you've won?..

                    Casinos can and will do anything they want.  Law doesn't even come into thier reality.  That wasn't the first time that has happened to me in Las Vegas.  Most casinos will let you win a little.  Enough to keep you comming back.  Try winning at the table games for large sums for a prolonged period of time.  If that happens then in thier eyes you MUST be cheating.  I have friends that are slot techs and dealers in various games.  They have told me some stories and I have been witnessed to some and even lived some myself.  And yes, they kept $11,000 that I won playing blackjack.  If this happens to anyone, believe me, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.  I have seen with my own eyes and have been a victim of it.  Sad.

                    The possibilites are endless.... might as well start at the begining

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                      Posted: February 15, 2010, 10:56 pm - IP Logged

                      Absolute bull<snip>.  I would burn the place to the ground just out of spite.  Another example of "Casino Law".  Similar thing happened to me in Las Vegas about 6 years ago.  I was playing blackjack at Ceaser's Palace, and because I hit a very lucky streak they accused me of counting cards.  They gave me back what I bought in for - $1200 - but they kept all the money that I won from playing -$11,000.  I was also told by the head of thier security that if they saw me at a blackjack table in there I would be arrested.  I have spent a LOT of money at Ceaser's over the years.  I have also won a lot too, but this just goes to show that casinos do not like people who win big.

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                      If you win big and or often at cards they say that you count them, so you are not allowed to use winning techniques at casinos, system players should then stay away from casinos and or just win a little at a time and quit playing before they win too much.

                      If a person won at the roulette too much and or too often, what will they accuse that person of? Maybe they will just not pay and ban that person.

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                        Posted: February 15, 2010, 11:02 pm - IP Logged

                        I wonder if states could do the same thing if someone came up with a winning strategy based on their observations of numbers that had come up in previous drawings?  After all what casinos call counting cards is simply watching and noting what's happening in order to develop a strategy for winning.  I guess states could avoid that problem by not allowing players to pick their own numbers and just selling QPs.

                        Not to worry about that, after all they quit selling tickets long before the draw and they are the ones who hold the draws.

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                          Posted: February 15, 2010, 11:08 pm - IP Logged

                          The casino definition of cheating: "cheaters are those who win too much"

                          Since most people are "Luck Players", most people don't have to worry about winning too much, unless some-time somehow they become very lucky.

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                            If you win big and or often at cards they say that you count them, so you are not allowed to use winning techniques at casinos, system players should then stay away from casinos and or just win a little at a time and quit playing before they win too much.

                            If a person won at the roulette too much and or too often, what will they accuse that person of? Maybe they will just not pay and ban that person.

                            Yea, that is why you hear the phrase 'grind out' a winning system, a little at a time. I used to play craps at the near by Indian casino, often the big winners would only come to the table for no more than 15-20 minutes, win big and leave.

                            Money won is twice as good as money earned!

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                              Posted: February 26, 2010, 10:12 am - IP Logged

                              This is the best yet.This really happened in 2000 in Mass.A man bought 10 consecutive scratch tickets in local store while walking to his truck he dropped one not realizing itAlong comes family and 8yr old girl picks ticket up and scratches it in car.turns out its a winner of $100,000.00.Family gets so excited tells people and local press show up and do big story about it and parents claim the ticket as theirs.Now its huge news all over TV with interviews and everything. man that bought the ticket was scratching his at home and realizes he now only has 9 tickets and when news shows the store and girl finding ticket he realizes that is his ticket was in the middle of his lot of 10 tickets. Goes to lottery to report it,even store employee says man bought all 10 tickets and lottery told him nothing can be done,holder of ticket or persons signing ticket are the winners, Sorry. He gets lawyer and takes it to court and judge decides to make them split it and family takes that decision back to court to have ruling overturned and YUP it was and guy got NOTHING.So hows that for fare..GREED is everywhere.