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whoa.   been away from this thread for far too long.     yikes 

while i don't agree with ridge's "assesment" of joker's basis for his ideaologies,  i do appreciare ridge standing up for the respect factor of what many people believe in here.

if you don't believe or agree,  cool,  but be a respectful sort,  and the truth ridge stated was that there are alot of cowardly people that roam these halls,  that within their response to these kinds of subject matters,  they are sarcastically inclined in their response,  disrespectful,  or otherwise straight up hateful.

THANK YOU RIDGE for defending the notion that if you are going to be nasty towards the beliefs of others,  then you are going to have to expect a defense against that attack of it.

if you don't believe.....then throttle back in your response,  and be respectful 

joker deserves to be put in his place,  based on the continual fact that he doesn't just "disagree",  he is purposefully nasty to those that do believe.

good job,  ridge

much obliged  Thumbs Up

            "i am .........."meant to"       

P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

         until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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    I don't get it.  Gambling is a sin.  Lotto is gambling.   Only a crooked church would allow gambling.

    "It's not a friend who consider your losses your problems and your winnings partly theirs.  Any friend who expect to share your winnings should share your losses too." -RJOh


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        whoa.   been away from this thread for far too long.     yikes 

        while i don't agree with ridge's "assesment" of joker's basis for his ideaologies,  i do appreciare ridge standing up for the respect factor of what many people believe in here.

        if you don't believe or agree,  cool,  but be a respectful sort,  and the truth ridge stated was that there are alot of cowardly people that roam these halls,  that within their response to these kinds of subject matters,  they are sarcastically inclined in their response,  disrespectful,  or otherwise straight up hateful.

        THANK YOU RIDGE for defending the notion that if you are going to be nasty towards the beliefs of others,  then you are going to have to expect a defense against that attack of it.

        if you don't believe.....then throttle back in your response,  and be respectful 

        joker deserves to be put in his place,  based on the continual fact that he doesn't just "disagree",  he is purposefully nasty to those that do believe.

        good job,  ridge

        much obliged  Thumbs Up

        I can respectfully say that you're a brainwashed simpleton.

        I'm not going to debate a Mr. no-it-all like you again, but I will let you know that when we started this whole thing a while back, it started with a peaceful discourse, but as time goes on, and you don't address the many issues i've proposed, running like a weasel, I get frustrated. I can only repeat myself so many times before I lose it.

        You are too far gone to have a debate with because you're too biased. There isn't an ounce of  objective thought in your brain. You're a lost cause....

        I don't sugar coat anything, and tell it like it is.

        You nor anyone else as a matter of fact has put me in my place because they can't. You can't defend something that doesn't exist, but in your mind. You may keep trying to convince me that you're not brainwashed, but you'll fail time and time again.

        The brightest minds have debated this issue for eons, but the ALMIGHTY VISIONDUDE has got it all figured out. Now you know why I call you an idiot....I could be calling you much worse, but I'm trying my best to be respectful....


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          Things are looking up in Kentucky...

          I wonder how they determined what "full-size" was?

          And the $40 Million in tax breaks will allow the Kentucky taxpayers to contribute too!


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            Hey guys. I have a question for the Christians, but first allow me to divulge in my background for the sake of context. I used to be an active member in my Presbyterian community, attending church retreats twice a year without fail, going on mission trips out of the country to spread the gospel, but have since seen the evils in this world that really made me doubt there is a God out there protecting the innocent. I am now an agnostic, and I must say I find myself depressed more than I should be, given the blessings I've received. I want to believe in God and have that relationship with Him, but I cannot pray with a clear mind and heart no longer. The reality of this world causes too much grief for me to accept the mandates of the Bible. Anyway, my mother is a devout Christian for as long as I can remember. She attends early morning prayer almost every day. She has used her income to build a church and help refugees from religion intolerant nations such as North Korea and parts of China. She is a counselor at this "Spiritual Training" program that apparently helped a lot of people come to peace with God, despite their painful pasts. And yet, her getting cancer was part of "God's plan." She was diagnosed this past Friday, and has since been stricken with fear and sadness. I went to church the following Sunday and prayed for the first time in YEARS, asking God to heal this terminal illness. As I am praying, going through my mother's good deeds in the name of God, and letting it justify God curing her, I find myself becoming angry. According to the good book, EVERYTHING is God's will. Therefore, using my mother as a vessel for His deeds was part of the plan, and so was her getting cancer. I just found it hard to ask Him to cure her cancer, when it was God that gave it to her in the first place. Whether it's the lack of innocence that I possessed as a child, or just the realities of places like Africa and Mexico that I've seen firsthand, I just don't have peace with God anymore. And I yearn for it... Can someone please provide some insight?

            There were no weeds in the garden of Eden. Adams blood was genetically pure and there
            were no diseases of the blood. Who made the weeds? Who is the author of death?
            Who genetically made giants from what was available to him without having to create because he could not
            create something from nothing? Who wants the stolen glory? Who wants to be
            worshiped in the name of God? Who wants to be like the most High God?

            People are taught much of what God’s will is but there is not scripture to back it up.
            What scripture some know seems contradictory. Do you know which god you
            speak of when you are taught that he brings death? If one scripture can be
            toyed with to destroy Adam’s fellowship with God –to the point it is a lie,
            does that lie have the true God’s seal of approval? Who made genetic giants?
            Which god? The true God and Father of Jesus Christ or, the god of this world who
            has dominion over it and anyone that is his subject born into it? Do you know of either and
            their will for you?

            You are expected to see the hypocrisy of the false god posing as the true, but not
            to the degree you see which god is at work. The success is in the secrecy of
            his moves. The true God gets the blame and hearts are hurt. One feels betrayed.
            The one who has betrayed you was not the true God, but a poser. A poser who in
            his best form uses scripture of the true God to steal, kill and destroy. Hosea
            2:6 Speaks of people being destroyed for a lack of knowledge and that knowledge
            is an accurate knowledge of Him- God. Romans 10:2 speaks of misplaced zeal for God,
            zeal that is not founded in a knowledge of Him. God’s will to be sick? Which
            god? 3 John verse 2 seems to contradict the idea that it is the true God’s will
            to make one sick and impoverished. The apparent contradiction is in the early
            wrongful teachings you hold, not in the scripture. Truth versus tradition is a
            hard one on the mind that is used to lies. Black is white and white is black,
            all is confusion by the source of confusion. God says of Himself that He is not the author of confusion. Hmm.

            If you want to know and worship the true God your only avenue to know what His will is for you is by His Word.

            If organized religion indoctrinates people with lies that they later see the hypocrisy
            in, why should the true God get the blame? Because you were taught wrongly and
            the same seed of the serpent that spiritually fathered the scribes and Pharisees
            (the spiritual leaders of Israel) that confronted Christ, are at work even
            today. People are destroyed for a lack of knowledge about the true God when
            they are not aware of what is written. Jesus said “It is Written”.

            The three big ones that keep you in the dark:

                                      The trinity

                               Jesus Christ is God

                               The dead are alive

            Religion is a stench in God’s nostrils. It is what men do to men in the name of God. All
            religions new and old have a little spark of truth in it to allure and attract adherents.
            The most vicious and deadly work within organized so-called Christianity: To
            make the Word of God into a lie. That is why there are so many denominations.
            It is like Burger King out there.

            You were taught a lie and told it was truth. It is spiritual plagiarism and
            devilish. Eve was enticed to believe a lie: "thou shalt surely not die". The
            result of her actions broke fellowship with God and it took the second Adam to
            restore that to the point that the spirit of God did not rest upon you on a
            condition, but was yours within if you meet a condition (Romans 10: 9,10). Colossians 1:27 :Christ
            in you, the hope of glory.

            See the post and link by Jimmy 4164? There are many ways to destruction and like Burger
            King, the father of lies will serve to you what appeals to you, your way. Have
            it your way or have it the Word’s way. Nothing new under the sun. Vision Dude can
            serve you greasy fries with your desire dressed up like a Sad-you-see.

            Creationists just do not like Genesis 1:2. Nor do they understand what God created that was
            new or what was restored that needed repair, like turning on the light (“let
            there be light” was not an act of creation; light existed before and was
            created before). His right-hand servant was brilliant (as in light, Lucifer was
            a creature of light –he was not a snake but shimmered like a snake as it moves.
            The word Lucifer describes a form of light.) and had the keys to the pantry but
            he cannot create. This same servant felt he was on par with God and tried to
            overthrow Him. This servant wanted the dominion of the physical world because
            that is the place he can use some old skills. Weeds, germs, genetic aberrations,
            war and death; dirty deeds done dirt cheap. It is written of him that he was a
            murderer from the beginning. Creationists are trying to appeal to the
            scientific mind as a form of outreach. It looks like it is going to be theme park
            and if completed, will be quite a cash cow. The organizers are already fleecing
            investors. Sounds like another good cause based on lies. So also was Mars hill
            near the Acropolis “key chains, souvenirs, idols,… Fresh-Hot-Spicy Vesuvius Rat on a stick! –would you
            like the Troy-fries with your rat and you can Caesar-size it for a few more coin?”.

            The true God does not possess people to do His will or deeds. The truth in that act
            is found by understanding which god does. Get a new God, one you can hold to His Word when you find out what it is.

            John
            8:32

            DD

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              I can respectfully say that you're a brainwashed simpleton.

              I'm not going to debate a Mr. no-it-all like you again, but I will let you know that when we started this whole thing a while back, it started with a peaceful discourse, but as time goes on, and you don't address the many issues i've proposed, running like a weasel, I get frustrated. I can only repeat myself so many times before I lose it.

              You are too far gone to have a debate with because you're too biased. There isn't an ounce of  objective thought in your brain. You're a lost cause....

              I don't sugar coat anything, and tell it like it is.

              You nor anyone else as a matter of fact has put me in my place because they can't. You can't defend something that doesn't exist, but in your mind. You may keep trying to convince me that you're not brainwashed, but you'll fail time and time again.

              The brightest minds have debated this issue for eons, but the ALMIGHTY VISIONDUDE has got it all figured out. Now you know why I call you an idiot....I could be calling you much worse, but I'm trying my best to be respectful....

              "it started with a peaceful discourse".

               not from your end, it didn't.   it never does ----->  from you

              that's the problem with you,  you cannot seem to control your anger about this subject matter,  and it doesn't take long for you to descend into nasty land.

              i am not offended when someone legitimately questions about anything i believe, or what historical Christianity teaches.

                just do it with respect.

              you don't have a patient respect bone in your body concerning this,  opting instead to being a sarcastic jerk.

              ask a concern like "20,000 kids dying a day", etc...... and that's a legit question and concern when slicing apart beliefs for a better unbiased "look". 

              but you don't premise it as a "concern",   your just a disrespectful jerk looking for trouble,  and whine when you encounter someone who tells you what you are, and highlights your motivation.

              i wish a had a $1 for everyone of these threads were you started out of the gate with your heinous,  because i could fund my 1QP until the day i "told you so"

              "but as time goes on, and you don't address the many issues i've proposed, running like a weasel",

               anyone that actually picks truth over people and agenda knows that's a straight up lie.

              between the 2 of us......you are the one that keeps buying new track shoes

              "but the ALMIGHTY VISIONDUDE has got it all figured out"

               i do,  but not like you insinuate i do. 

                i don't know everything,  but what i do know i am not the least bit deterred from saying i do,  just because you can't fathom it,  doesn't mean it's "not true".

              the only difference between a man like you,  and a man like me is that not only made an allowance for it to "possibly" be real (which you never have),  and follwed that up by backing that belief in that "possibility" that if it was real,  that i allowed it to take it's rightful place of authority over my life.

              that fact alone precedes any possibility of you ever finding out "for sure",  until you deal with the authority issue.

              so long as you fight against that,  you are only HOPING it's not real.

              one of the most intellectually lamest statements a person can make,  given all that is riding on it,  is that "no one knows the truth".

              if there is a God......that's 100% erroneus.

              conversely,  the truth really is......if there is a God.......millions of people will know

              get real.   you disparage everything there is that portends the possibility of God being personal,  and yet you complain "there is no proof".

              your an arrogant fool to think God owes you proof / belief,  when your first thought about Him is that.

              you can always tell a person who really does seek the truth about these things,  they surely aren't sarcastic / arrogant in thier approach. 

              nope.   they are wise enough to realize a maybe,  when it comes to an eternal address.

              even if you were right,  and only a dark grave is your "eternity",  you still lost your own battle,  because being a jerk really only affects your quality of life......before your dirt nap.

              measure it eiher way you chose,  you are still on the losing end of the scale

                          "i am .........."meant to"       

              P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                       until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                I'm an agnostic. I don't pretend to know the secrets of the universe.

                Crazy

                Maybe you are agnostic in pleasant environments and atheist in ones where you have to defend your own

                ideas and opinions. I think the only supporting opinion you've provided 'proving' there is no God is your

                constant argument: Why do 20 million children die.....etc etc etc. Sounds like pumpi sometimes.

                 

                You keep calling for proof and urging someone to show you that God is real. You are basing your opinions

                on a belief there is no God because you can't see Him, can't touch Him and can't converse with Him.

                He won't talk to you...so, He's not there.

                He won't let you see Him..so, He's not there.

                He won't let you touch Him..so, He's not there.

                He lets people die, children die, relatives die....He allows disasters to take place making people miserable,

                He allows bad things to happen, He allows people to be hurt, killed, maimed...allows babies to be born

                birth defects and so on and on and on. Why? There is no why unless you want to play God. How would

                any human being - made in God's image but not in God's almightyness - even begin to understand the

                almighty? One such as yourself thinks they can and wants to know and taunts others to provide

                proof God exists...you dally with beliefs, believers revel in faith. An atheist has no faith. An atheist rejects

                God because he cannot control God. Controlling God is like controlling authority....asking why is defiance.

                You somehow feel superior by calling people religious idiots because they can't or won't explain to you

                the 5 W's of God yet get defensive when the same is dished out to you.

                You stick your own foot in your mouth much of the time you post. You lose control, then regain it by

                claiming you only are searching for answers...only to lose control again and claim there definitely is no

                God. It sounds as if you found your place in the world, joker. You chose the devil's domain...earth. Be

                your own God here because he doesn't exist!! The devil loves dissention, disorder and disobedience...

                and he also loves people like you.

                You did not answer my other question...do you believe in satan?

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                  There were no weeds in the garden of Eden. Adams blood was genetically pure and there
                  were no diseases of the blood. Who made the weeds? Who is the author of death?
                  Who genetically made giants from what was available to him without having to create because he could not
                  create something from nothing? Who wants the stolen glory? Who wants to be
                  worshiped in the name of God? Who wants to be like the most High God?

                  People are taught much of what God’s will is but there is not scripture to back it up.
                  What scripture some know seems contradictory. Do you know which god you
                  speak of when you are taught that he brings death? If one scripture can be
                  toyed with to destroy Adam’s fellowship with God –to the point it is a lie,
                  does that lie have the true God’s seal of approval? Who made genetic giants?
                  Which god? The true God and Father of Jesus Christ or, the god of this world who
                  has dominion over it and anyone that is his subject born into it? Do you know of either and
                  their will for you?

                  You are expected to see the hypocrisy of the false god posing as the true, but not
                  to the degree you see which god is at work. The success is in the secrecy of
                  his moves. The true God gets the blame and hearts are hurt. One feels betrayed.
                  The one who has betrayed you was not the true God, but a poser. A poser who in
                  his best form uses scripture of the true God to steal, kill and destroy. Hosea
                  2:6 Speaks of people being destroyed for a lack of knowledge and that knowledge
                  is an accurate knowledge of Him- God. Romans 10:2 speaks of misplaced zeal for God,
                  zeal that is not founded in a knowledge of Him. God’s will to be sick? Which
                  god? 3 John verse 2 seems to contradict the idea that it is the true God’s will
                  to make one sick and impoverished. The apparent contradiction is in the early
                  wrongful teachings you hold, not in the scripture. Truth versus tradition is a
                  hard one on the mind that is used to lies. Black is white and white is black,
                  all is confusion by the source of confusion. God says of Himself that He is not the author of confusion. Hmm.

                  If you want to know and worship the true God your only avenue to know what His will is for you is by His Word.

                  If organized religion indoctrinates people with lies that they later see the hypocrisy
                  in, why should the true God get the blame? Because you were taught wrongly and
                  the same seed of the serpent that spiritually fathered the scribes and Pharisees
                  (the spiritual leaders of Israel) that confronted Christ, are at work even
                  today. People are destroyed for a lack of knowledge about the true God when
                  they are not aware of what is written. Jesus said “It is Written”.

                  The three big ones that keep you in the dark:

                                            The trinity

                                     Jesus Christ is God

                                     The dead are alive

                  Religion is a stench in God’s nostrils. It is what men do to men in the name of God. All
                  religions new and old have a little spark of truth in it to allure and attract adherents.
                  The most vicious and deadly work within organized so-called Christianity: To
                  make the Word of God into a lie. That is why there are so many denominations.
                  It is like Burger King out there.

                  You were taught a lie and told it was truth. It is spiritual plagiarism and
                  devilish. Eve was enticed to believe a lie: "thou shalt surely not die". The
                  result of her actions broke fellowship with God and it took the second Adam to
                  restore that to the point that the spirit of God did not rest upon you on a
                  condition, but was yours within if you meet a condition (Romans 10: 9,10). Colossians 1:27 :Christ
                  in you, the hope of glory.

                  See the post and link by Jimmy 4164? There are many ways to destruction and like Burger
                  King, the father of lies will serve to you what appeals to you, your way. Have
                  it your way or have it the Word’s way. Nothing new under the sun. Vision Dude can
                  serve you greasy fries with your desire dressed up like a Sad-you-see.

                  Creationists just do not like Genesis 1:2. Nor do they understand what God created that was
                  new or what was restored that needed repair, like turning on the light (“let
                  there be light” was not an act of creation; light existed before and was
                  created before). His right-hand servant was brilliant (as in light, Lucifer was
                  a creature of light –he was not a snake but shimmered like a snake as it moves.
                  The word Lucifer describes a form of light.) and had the keys to the pantry but
                  he cannot create. This same servant felt he was on par with God and tried to
                  overthrow Him. This servant wanted the dominion of the physical world because
                  that is the place he can use some old skills. Weeds, germs, genetic aberrations,
                  war and death; dirty deeds done dirt cheap. It is written of him that he was a
                  murderer from the beginning. Creationists are trying to appeal to the
                  scientific mind as a form of outreach. It looks like it is going to be theme park
                  and if completed, will be quite a cash cow. The organizers are already fleecing
                  investors. Sounds like another good cause based on lies. So also was Mars hill
                  near the Acropolis “key chains, souvenirs, idols,… Fresh-Hot-Spicy Vesuvius Rat on a stick! –would you
                  like the Troy-fries with your rat and you can Caesar-size it for a few more coin?”.

                  The true God does not possess people to do His will or deeds. The truth in that act
                  is found by understanding which god does. Get a new God, one you can hold to His Word when you find out what it is.

                  John
                  8:32

                  DD

                  "People are taught much of what God’s will is but there is not scripture to back it up"

                   none? 

                   you mean like the 4,000+ years of predated / eyewitness history even prior to the life of Christ,  that spoke specifically who He would be (God, who comes in the flesh,  and takes on the sin of the world Himself)  ?

                  i see,  and now whoever reads your cult inspired rambling see's also,  that you depart from historical Christianity like an ego driven bullet train.

                  meander all you feel the need to,  but i will take historical Christianity for a $1000, alex.

                   the scriptures have taught shortly right after their inception ----->  that God would eventually come in the flesh,  and since we have eyewitness accounts of His coming,  and the subsequent fulfillment of all He said He would do,  historical Christianity will always trump whatever cult version of it you have highjacked for personal wish list.

                  good as you are with semantics and wishful thinking,  even you can't stretch armstrong true recorded history into something different.

                  most people can't counter your meanderings.  i get that. 

                   unfortunately you were right about people entrusting their beliefs to anothers description of what they think it is.

                  but me,  i am armed with history.   already recorded history.  all i need to do is repeat it,  then allow it to stand alone on it's on merit,  and anyone with a nuetral intellect can tell that recorded history stated "it" would visit it's creation,  and when "it" did,   humanity eyewitnessed THAT,  and recorded it.

                  now the question is....did recorded history really portend that,  and did people really watch it flesh itself out?

                  getting back to the people / opinion validation process,  i got to thinking a simple litmus test of DD being an "expert" in true history is easily sampled.

                  not that any of us are perfect,  and facts stand alone apart from the ability of a man to mirror them,  but one glaring fact about DD,  is that DD doesn't "mirror" what he portends is "true" at all.

                  look at the guys track record just in here.    the guys behavior descends so fast,  it speeds past his "belief" long before he can defend it.

                  one thing i noticed that's insulting to his supposed "Christian beliefs",  is his consistent verbage about what he has to say about women.

                  thinks their "open season",  sexually speaking.   talks about them as if there he suffers memory loss about what his beliefs say about sexual purity and mores from a biblical perspective.

                  when i look for validation of anything,  i don't look for perfection,  but i do look for consistentcy,  and DD consistently heads in the other direction of "consistentcy".

                  does that truth make DD's ramblings "untrue"?    not in and of itself,  no. 

                  but.........it does highlight the fact that you cannot trust a person for "truth",  if they cannot mirror a large portion of it themselves.

                  nope,  true history replicated truthfully was DD's undoing.

                  DD just made the obvious more......obvious

                              "i am .........."meant to"       

                  P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                           until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                    Things are looking up in Kentucky...

                    I wonder how they determined what "full-size" was?

                    And the $40 Million in tax breaks will allow the Kentucky taxpayers to contribute too!


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                      truecritic,

                      I forgot; the specs are available!

                      This is good.  All those taxpayers in Kentucky will at least be able to ensure that they get what they're paying for in terms of size. Wink


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                        "it started with a peaceful discourse".

                         not from your end, it didn't.   it never does ----->  from you

                        that's the problem with you,  you cannot seem to control your anger about this subject matter,  and it doesn't take long for you to descend into nasty land.

                        i am not offended when someone legitimately questions about anything i believe, or what historical Christianity teaches.

                          just do it with respect.

                        you don't have a patient respect bone in your body concerning this,  opting instead to being a sarcastic jerk.

                        ask a concern like "20,000 kids dying a day", etc...... and that's a legit question and concern when slicing apart beliefs for a better unbiased "look". 

                        but you don't premise it as a "concern",   your just a disrespectful jerk looking for trouble,  and whine when you encounter someone who tells you what you are, and highlights your motivation.

                        i wish a had a $1 for everyone of these threads were you started out of the gate with your heinous,  because i could fund my 1QP until the day i "told you so"

                        "but as time goes on, and you don't address the many issues i've proposed, running like a weasel",

                         anyone that actually picks truth over people and agenda knows that's a straight up lie.

                        between the 2 of us......you are the one that keeps buying new track shoes

                        "but the ALMIGHTY VISIONDUDE has got it all figured out"

                         i do,  but not like you insinuate i do. 

                          i don't know everything,  but what i do know i am not the least bit deterred from saying i do,  just because you can't fathom it,  doesn't mean it's "not true".

                        the only difference between a man like you,  and a man like me is that not only made an allowance for it to "possibly" be real (which you never have),  and follwed that up by backing that belief in that "possibility" that if it was real,  that i allowed it to take it's rightful place of authority over my life.

                        that fact alone precedes any possibility of you ever finding out "for sure",  until you deal with the authority issue.

                        so long as you fight against that,  you are only HOPING it's not real.

                        one of the most intellectually lamest statements a person can make,  given all that is riding on it,  is that "no one knows the truth".

                        if there is a God......that's 100% erroneus.

                        conversely,  the truth really is......if there is a God.......millions of people will know

                        get real.   you disparage everything there is that portends the possibility of God being personal,  and yet you complain "there is no proof".

                        your an arrogant fool to think God owes you proof / belief,  when your first thought about Him is that.

                        you can always tell a person who really does seek the truth about these things,  they surely aren't sarcastic / arrogant in thier approach. 

                        nope.   they are wise enough to realize a maybe,  when it comes to an eternal address.

                        even if you were right,  and only a dark grave is your "eternity",  you still lost your own battle,  because being a jerk really only affects your quality of life......before your dirt nap.

                        measure it eiher way you chose,  you are still on the losing end of the scale

                        What a load of crap. Go back and read the beginning and you'll see that I didn't know you from Adam, so there was no need to get mad at you. In any argument I've ever had with anyone, It always starts with a conversation which leads to an argument because of many reasons. Get with reality already. Wake up from that stupor you're in.

                        As far as the other crap you wrote, I laid down many question which you refused to answer and that's a fact. I even copied and pasted a long article regarding the many prophecies in the Bible that you calimed to have come true, which was turned out to be false, yet I never heard one peep from you.

                        I gave you so many different questions, simple questions, but you always used some excuse to WEASEL out of it.

                        YOU can't answer simple questions. Then when I got tired of asking them over and over and over and over and over and over, I left because I got tired of arguing with a brick wall, to which then you accused me of running away. You simply don't get it do you?

                        Why?......because you're clueless and so brainwashed that you refuse to even attempt to answer any of the questions...because you CAN'T.....

                        Now get over it....!


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                          Maybe you are agnostic in pleasant environments and atheist in ones where you have to defend your own

                          ideas and opinions. I think the only supporting opinion you've provided 'proving' there is no God is your

                          constant argument: Why do 20 million children die.....etc etc etc. Sounds like pumpi sometimes.

                           

                          You keep calling for proof and urging someone to show you that God is real. You are basing your opinions

                          on a belief there is no God because you can't see Him, can't touch Him and can't converse with Him.

                          He won't talk to you...so, He's not there.

                          He won't let you see Him..so, He's not there.

                          He won't let you touch Him..so, He's not there.

                          He lets people die, children die, relatives die....He allows disasters to take place making people miserable,

                          He allows bad things to happen, He allows people to be hurt, killed, maimed...allows babies to be born

                          birth defects and so on and on and on. Why? There is no why unless you want to play God. How would

                          any human being - made in God's image but not in God's almightyness - even begin to understand the

                          almighty? One such as yourself thinks they can and wants to know and taunts others to provide

                          proof God exists...you dally with beliefs, believers revel in faith. An atheist has no faith. An atheist rejects

                          God because he cannot control God. Controlling God is like controlling authority....asking why is defiance.

                          You somehow feel superior by calling people religious idiots because they can't or won't explain to you

                          the 5 W's of God yet get defensive when the same is dished out to you.

                          You stick your own foot in your mouth much of the time you post. You lose control, then regain it by

                          claiming you only are searching for answers...only to lose control again and claim there definitely is no

                          God. It sounds as if you found your place in the world, joker. You chose the devil's domain...earth. Be

                          your own God here because he doesn't exist!! The devil loves dissention, disorder and disobedience...

                          and he also loves people like you.

                          You did not answer my other question...do you believe in satan?

                          No, I don't believe in Satan or any of that crap.

                          I have many many reasons to why I'm an agnostic. Not because i can't see him or any of the other things you listed. And it's not just because of the 20,000 kids. I've listed many many simple questions that haven't been answered by anyone, because it's not answerable. I have a long laundry list of things I can point out, that no one can answer.

                          I neither have the time or patience to rewrite all that stuff. Do a search and you'll see endless pages I wrote regarding the many contradictions.

                          I don't claim to know for sure whether he exists or not. If i did claim I knew for sure, Id be just as guilty as the religous folks who claim they know for sure. And that's impossible. Period!...No one knows.

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                            No, I don't believe in Satan or any of that crap.

                            I have many many reasons to why I'm an agnostic. Not because i can't see him or any of the other things you listed. And it's not just because of the 20,000 kids. I've listed many many simple questions that haven't been answered by anyone, because it's not answerable. I have a long laundry list of things I can point out, that no one can answer.

                            I neither have the time or patience to rewrite all that stuff. Do a search and you'll see endless pages I wrote regarding the many contradictions.

                            I don't claim to know for sure whether he exists or not. If i did claim I knew for sure, Id be just as guilty as the religous folks who claim they know for sure. And that's impossible. Period!...No one knows.

                            Thank you joker.

                            That's not a loaded statement either.

                            Just a simple thank you for being direct and to the point without sarcasm or insult.

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                              A self-confessed atheist has become a believer after mocking God by sarcastically praying for his mother to win the lottery.

                              However, his joke prayer was amazingly answered as the next day his mother won $1 million on the New York Lottery Sweet Million game.

                              Sal Bentivegna, 28, who did not previously believe in God, had sarcastically asked his mother to "ask your God for a million dollars".

                              However, his mother Gloria Bentivegna, follows the Catholic faith, and staying true to her belief refused to ask God for such a thing.

                              Taking his joke further, Sal then prayed out aloud saying, "God, I don't know if you're real or not, but if you are there, please let my mother win a million dollars."

                              He added, "If Jesus wants me to believe in him, that's what he'll do".

                              The following day his mother bought a "Lotto Tree" of unscratched instant win tickets from her Church's charity auction. Sal was then left absolutely stunned when he found out his mother had won a million.

                              Realizing that the odds of his mother winning were so farfetched, Sal has now become a firm believer.

                              He testified, "I can't shrug off that Jesus had a hand in it."

                              "No pun intended, but it was a Godsend," he said.

                              Gloria Bentivegna, reflecting on what had happened, is thankful to God for her winnings, but even more thankful for her son's conversion. She said: "'God performed two miracles, a true miracle."

                              By winning New York's Sweet Million game, Gloria Bentivegna will now receive $50,000 every year for the next 20 years.

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                                 I'm sorry but that was just too funny, he converted from being an atheist to a religious man because he believes his 'mock' prayer was answered for his mom to win a million dollars?!Green laugh

                                 I wonder who should be more bemused, atheists or religious fanatics........either way, it  is too darn funny for me to even read about it, heck, the headline itself gave me the giggles, poor kids in my tutoring class looked at me like I was a cow that jumped over the moon but missed it and landed on Mars instead!

                               

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                                Life is what you make it, enjoy it, you only have one chance to do so.

                                 
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