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Atheist converts after mock prayer to win $1M lottery is answered

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"Excuse me? Did you just tell me I'm out of my mind"? 

by running definition you are out of your mind, yes.

you think you can mock God day in and day out,  and still think that someday when you die you will be 'accepted' by him.

you talk trash about someone,  and your delusional enough to think the person is going to be cool with you.   there isn't a relationship on the planet that survives that kind of onslaught over time,  and most certainly God won't accept that as "relationship material".

"Ok, so let me get this straight. You're not out of your mind because you decide to believe a book out of thousands of other books who all claim to be correct, but that's normal"?

 i can afford to bank my live (including my eternity) on that "book".   it's not just A book out of history measured among others,  it's the written word of God handed down thru the experiences of men that served Him.   

in normal to trust something that's proven to be trustworthy,  and because you can measure the trustworthy factor thru the microscope of fulfilled prophecy,  then yes,  it stands alone  in history above all the other "books"

100% accurcy SCREAMS "trustworthy"

"YOU are the one who is manufacturing that nonsense, not me".

 au contraire. 

you made the same EXACT bold claim as i did with your alien vids.

you said it was "undeniable proof",  and yet you are now deftly silent on the matter.

you accuse me of nonsense,  yet between the 2 of us there is ZERO 'proof" of alien existence thru out history,  yet when measured against biblical history on any level (science, archaeology, historical documentation of people who actually LIVED, fulfilled prophecy, documentation OF the documentation "documented" by people who were antagonistic toward the bibles "history", etc, etc etc),  and yet you think i am the one that's nuts.

i demonstrated that between the 2 of us you had nothing to base your belief on,  when i noted your 'aliens" can't save the 20,000 children starving in the world .

i base my belief in proven history,  so yeah,  the delusion belongs as your definition

i can afford to bank my live (including my eternity) on that "book".   it's not just A book out of history measured among others,  it's the written word of God handed down thru the experiences of men that served Him.

 

Now you know why I try to not to respond to your posts as much as possible. You write as If you know for sure. Anyone who truly believes they are right, and all the others are wrong, and has no proof to back it up, is delusional.

I can't have a discussion when the term "Open Mind" is out of the question.

One thing I do know for sure is that you are past the point of no return.

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    They've done tests where the person's brain was exposed while the patient was a wake and they touched certain areas of the brain. The person had many visions and felt a presence at times. Many had religous experiences as well.

    No One knows. Those experiences could be from any number of sources. The brain is a powerful machine that can do many many things. If not for the brain, everything would be nothing but a soup of nonsensical particles and waves. It's the brain which makes this world a reality, and I say reality very lightly. Reality is as good as the perceiver of the information. And even If they did have a supernatural experience that had nothing to do with the brain, it doesn't mean one particular religion is correct. It may very well be a spiritual experience, but doesn't prove who's God is correct and who's isn't.

    I'm not trying to convert anyone here. I'm simply showing alternative thought processes other than ones that have been implanted into religous folks minds as the TRUTH. Everyone has truths. You call it attacks, I call it education.

    I could live and let live, but If someone has the freedom to interject their religous beliefs in a thread as truth, I also have that right to disagree.

    Now that doesn't seem delusional does it?

    I concur that you have the right to disagree.

    I just think it's incredibly poor form to attack someone for saying "I prayed for a win" or "thank God I won". Those people aren't trying to proselytise or convert you or anyone else to their beliefs. They're just expressing their beliefs in conversation.

     

    "I'm not trying to convert anyone here. I'm simply showing alternative thought processes...  ...I call it education."

     

    Do you hear yourself?  Somebody says "Thank God" and you feel the need to show them "alternative thought processes"? To "educate" them? How does somebody saying "Thank God" become "interjecting their religious beliefs in a thread as truth"?  Who's exhibiting signs of being delusional here? 

    Is this the Lottery Post or a re-education camp?

     

    P.S. Check out your buddy Nancy's new avatar.  I told him to run along and he took a walk on the wild side!  I knew it!  LOL


                                                 
                         
                                             

     

     

     

     

                                                                                                       

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      I concur that you have the right to disagree.

      I just think it's incredibly poor form to attack someone for saying "I prayed for a win" or "thank God I won". Those people aren't trying to proselytise or convert you or anyone else to their beliefs. They're just expressing their beliefs in conversation.

       

      "I'm not trying to convert anyone here. I'm simply showing alternative thought processes...  ...I call it education."

       

      Do you hear yourself?  Somebody says "Thank God" and you feel the need to show them "alternative thought processes"? To "educate" them? How does somebody saying "Thank God" become "interjecting their religious beliefs in a thread as truth"?  Who's exhibiting signs of being delusional here? 

      Is this the Lottery Post or a re-education camp?

       

      P.S. Check out your buddy Nancy's new avatar.  I told him to run along and he took a walk on the wild side!  I knew it!  LOL

      I've never attacked anyone for saying thank God. In one instance, when that LP member thanked God for her wins, I responded to another poster in that thread who said something to the fact that it was intervention or something like that, I forget. I responded simply by saying are you sure it was? It was a simple question. It could easily have been a plain old simple win. There were child molesters who've won millions. Did God intervene then also?....

      In this thread, the person who's mother won a million because of his mock prayer, and is now a believer, made me want to comment about it. It's a thread. A thread is comprised of disucussions. Do I have to agree with everything people say in order to be part of the discussion?

      You call it attack, I call it education. You can take it away knowing you now know something you never knew before, or you can say heck with Joker17's BS, I'll believe what I want to.

      How do you there aren't some people who read all that stuff about how God did this and that for them, and angels saved him from getting hit by a car and so forth, and NOT get offended? I'm NOT one of those folks, but I'm sure there are some that don't speak their mind about it in public forums due to ridicule.Being offended works both ways....

      Do you actually believe that Vision would not take advantage of the opportunity to come a knocking in a thread If i mentioned that THOR contributed to this and that. Believe me he and other Bible thumpers here would jump on that chance.


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        I think it's interesting how rdgrnr seems to know the size and demeanor of so many anonymous posters.  If I were looking for him at a "smackdown" I wouldn't know whether to expect a Pee-Wee Herman or a Dirty Harry.  Maybe he has some special powers that he hasn't told us about.

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          I've never attacked anyone for saying thank God. In one instance, when that LP member thanked God for her wins, I responded to another poster in that thread who said something to the fact that it was intervention or something like that, I forget. I responded simply by saying are you sure it was? It was a simple question. It could easily have been a plain old simple win. There were child molesters who've won millions. Did God intervene then also?....

          In this thread, the person who's mother won a million because of his mock prayer, and is now a believer, made me want to comment about it. It's a thread. A thread is comprised of disucussions. Do I have to agree with everything people say in order to be part of the discussion?

          You call it attack, I call it education. You can take it away knowing you now know something you never knew before, or you can say heck with Joker17's BS, I'll believe what I want to.

          How do you there aren't some people who read all that stuff about how God did this and that for them, and angels saved him from getting hit by a car and so forth, and NOT get offended? I'm NOT one of those folks, but I'm sure there are some that don't speak their mind about it in public forums due to ridicule.Being offended works both ways....

          Do you actually believe that Vision would not take advantage of the opportunity to come a knocking in a thread If i mentioned that THOR contributed to this and that. Believe me he and other Bible thumpers here would jump on that chance.

          You want to argue about religion. You want to argue about faith and belief and all related tradition. You want to tell people what not to believe because you don't believe what they believe. You want them to believe what you believe about little green men or whatever it is.

          I consider what people believe to be their own business.

          I don't want to argue about anything.

          But when some lady posts about how happy she is cuz she prayed to the saints and won $600.00 and now she can pay the rent and you ridicule her for it and your puppy dog mario joins in to kick her while she's down and then Nancy piles on, well, I will say something about it.

          So I guess that's how it'll remain cuz you have appointed yourself the Religious Educator here and that's your right, as you say.

          Or should I say the Religious Police?

           

          PS. How do you know the saints didn't help her win the $600.00?

          Because it's never happened to you? Because it's not logical? Because they would have to save 20,000 dying kids first?

          Are those the standards that you have established that have to be met in order for that to be truth? 

          Or just because you said so?


                                                       
                               
                                                   

           

           

           

           

                                                                                                             

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            because my beliefs are strong,  and anchored into the cement of accurately replicated history,  i too could search for all the opportunities i could find to spray the threads with my "beliefs".

            i don't.

            and the reason i don't sure has nothing to do with having a comittment issue,  but because i employ respect.

            LP is a place where a guy like me could have more "opportunities" than i could possibly fulfill.

            i don't.

            it's an ingenuous ploy by joker to pass off what he does as "opinion" or "education".

            no one has the ability to threaten intellectually what i believe,  so why would i try and suppress freedom of opinion / speech?

            i don't

            i don't search it out, but when someone wipes their feet on my welcome mat and rings my doorbell,  i answer the door.

            told joker more times than i have fingers and toes he has every right to an opposing opinion in these threads,  so long as he acts respectful,  and that dude crosses that intersection willfully without conscience.

            he hunts,   and then he jumps. 

              a sarcastic disrespectful "reply" doesn't come with a nice guy tag.

            it's behavior of a trolling trouble maker,  and nothing more.

            joker is upside down about this in his life,  and takes his angst out on LP boards.

            when it gets to that level,  then i will step in.

            be respectful about others beliefs,  but if you insist on being disrespectful specifically to what i and a whole bunch of others believe in here,  then you know me,  i am going to take you to the intellectual cleaners to demonstrate your true intent......that you are a trolling trouble maker that can't handle what you dish out.

            i have far more in the bag on debating these issues in life,  joker,  and you sure have provided me with enough "reason" to play the same game with you in your blogs.

            do you see me there ?

            that's how a person of respect acts.

            cut the act your in here to "edumacate"

            your in it to cause trouble

                        "i am .........."meant to"       

            P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                     until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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              I think it's interesting how rdgrnr seems to know the size and demeanor of so many anonymous posters.  If I were looking for him at a "smackdown" I wouldn't know whether to expect a Pee-Wee Herman or a Dirty Harry.  Maybe he has some special powers that he hasn't told us about.

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              Don't get all frazzled and go into another nervous-nellie fluster-fit now and start changing your avatar and hairstyles again and all like that, Nancy. Next thing you know you'll be flailing all about and break a nail.

              Try to stay calm. Go to your Happy Place (and I don't mean the Men's Room at the Greyhound Station).

              There is no need for you to worry your delicate little self about smackdowns or the size or demeanor of other posters Nancy, we're all friends here.

              And I have no special powers outside of occasionally being able to smell a charlatan from a mile away.


                                                           
                                   
                                                       

               

               

               

               

                                                                                                                 

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                You want to argue about religion. You want to argue about faith and belief and all related tradition. You want to tell people what not to believe because you don't believe what they believe. You want them to believe what you believe about little green men or whatever it is.

                I consider what people believe to be their own business.

                I don't want to argue about anything.

                But when some lady posts about how happy she is cuz she prayed to the saints and won $600.00 and now she can pay the rent and you ridicule her for it and your puppy dog mario joins in to kick her while she's down and then Nancy piles on, well, I will say something about it.

                So I guess that's how it'll remain cuz you have appointed yourself the Religious Educator here and that's your right, as you say.

                Or should I say the Religious Police?

                 

                PS. How do you know the saints didn't help her win the $600.00?

                Because it's never happened to you? Because it's not logical? Because they would have to save 20,000 dying kids first?

                Are those the standards that you have established that have to be met in order for that to be truth? 

                Or just because you said so?

                Why is it when I write what I feel it's an argument? When you write your beliefs, it's just a statement.

                If you go back and read that thread, I never told her anything except congrats on your win. Like I said before, I replied to another poster in that thread with a question, and then you and Vision come out of the woodwork and accuse me of attcking Christianity. Let me tell you buddy, I have the right to say anything I want to, and If you or anyone else feels bad, too bad because I have that right. Like I said before, either side can be offended.

                And yes, it makes no sense to me that a Saint is going to help someone in need, when Saints don't give 2 hoots about 20,000 starving, hurting kids that croak every single DAY !

                Don't get me wrong, I'm totally happy that she won that money because she obviously sounded like she needed it. You make me sound like some heartless <snip>. I'm only saying that because to me, it makes no sense considering the priorities of the Saints, God, angels, or whatever entity is out there choosing one or two people to win money, or a football team to win over 20,000 kids.

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                  Why is it when I write what I feel it's an argument? When you write your beliefs, it's just a statement.

                  If you go back and read that thread, I never told her anything except congrats on your win. Like I said before, I replied to another poster in that thread with a question, and then you and Vision come out of the woodwork and accuse me of attcking Christianity. Let me tell you buddy, I have the right to say anything I want to, and If you or anyone else feels bad, too bad because I have that right. Like I said before, either side can be offended.

                  And yes, it makes no sense to me that a Saint is going to help someone in need, when Saints don't give 2 hoots about 20,000 starving, hurting kids that croak every single DAY !

                  Don't get me wrong, I'm totally happy that she won that money because she obviously sounded like she needed it. You make me sound like some heartless <snip>. I'm only saying that because to me, it makes no sense considering the priorities of the Saints, God, angels, or whatever entity is out there choosing one or two people to win money, or a football team to win over 20,000 kids.

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                  OK, I get it, nothing can be true unless it fits within the narrow parameters designated by You.

                  And anything else anybody else believes is automatically wrong.

                  Why?

                  Because you said so.

                  I finally understand you.


                                                               
                                       
                                                           

                   

                   

                   

                   

                                                                                                                     

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                    i can afford to bank my live (including my eternity) on that "book".   it's not just A book out of history measured among others,  it's the written word of God handed down thru the experiences of men that served Him.

                     

                    Now you know why I try to not to respond to your posts as much as possible. You write as If you know for sure. Anyone who truly believes they are right, and all the others are wrong, and has no proof to back it up, is delusional.

                    I can't have a discussion when the term "Open Mind" is out of the question.

                    One thing I do know for sure is that you are past the point of no return.

                    "Anyone who truly believes they are right, and all the others are wrong, and has no proof to back it up, is delusional".

                     fair enough face-value arguement,  except i do......both historical and personal.

                    since "history" came first,   you get the historical version first.

                    since it's already a document of history,  anyone has access to it in it's most original form,  so you can read texts yourself and decide AMBIVALENTLY if it is ambiguous,  or accurately personal in prophetic nature.

                    it is calculated that Jesus Christ fulfilled 300 (+/-) prophecies made about Him hundreds of years before He was ever born.

                    that's "proof".

                    take away the ones that are self fulfilling,  or are ambiguous enough so that they appear to be assignable to "anyone", fine.

                    just include the prophecies that are recognizable by the people who wrote them who are completely 100% antagonistic TO Christ,  and still that amount of prophecies being fulfilled by one man in history spoken HUNDREDS of years before His birth,  it's a mathematical impossiibility for any other human being to parallel that feat.

                    "antagonistic" is your key word,  and you know someone antagonistic to something is not going to lie about something so what they are antagonistic about can GAIN credibility.

                    no other "god" or "religion" can match that feat or claim,  thereby eliminating all other "pretenders".

                    that's just the factual / historical side that points to a relationship with the only "god" that can actually answer man.

                     

                    the part that leads to a relationship,  facts before faith,  that's were the addendum "proof" comes in .

                    you want hard "personal" facts.   fine.

                    been a believer after Christ showed Himself to me over 30 years ago.

                    over the course of that time,  i have made a concerted effort to attempt to walk where He tells me to walk.  i have zero problem with His authority over my life,  and that's why i have been granted a personal relationship.

                    within the confines of that relationship,  He has a plan for my life,  and whenever He decides it's necessary to tell me what that is,  and begins to filter out enough info so that i have the ability TO adjust to it,  and then He does.

                    not a gazillion times,  but the times where i needed to know for adjutments purposes,  i have always known beforehand.

                    before He has done something thru my life,  i have known it would happen well prior to it's fruition.

                    i am not 'priviledged' above anyone else,  as anyone else has the same equal opportunity as i do "to know" prior.

                    like anything else,  effort equals result. 

                    you don't want to know, and make no effort, you only end up mocking those who do know out of personal frustration.

                    the last particular "i know before it happens" started somewhere in aug 2008.

                    after a period of time (because my heart is always primed and "looking"),  i recognized God was doing something to get my attention about a particular subject matter.  yet,  i know the value of patience and making sure,  before i pursue something,  so i don't waste my time (and especially His).

                    just prior to aug,  i noticed that everywhere i went,  on everyday,  there would always be something that came my way concerning "france, french or paris".   everyday i started to notice it occuring beyond my manipulation / control.

                    so....i adjusted to it,  by agreeing that whatever that amounted to,  i would adjust to it whenever He told me what He was doing it for.

                    the key is my willingness to adjust while not knowing what He was preparing me for,  or going to ask me to do.

                    i am willing period,  and that's why i CAN be entrusted to know beforehand.

                    fast forward to this very conversation,  and there has never been one day since aug of 2008 where God has "failed" to bring something and put it in front of me concerning "france"

                    not one day

                    it's as obscure as watching tv and turning the channel and for a split second between channels, and there is a momentary flash of the eiffel tower,  an image i would have missed had i not been there at that split second by devine appt. 

                    or someone in a market starts speaking french around me,  or my student completely out of the blue who i have never met before, and who has no idea about my "france" proclivity.....suddenly blurts out they just got back from paris on spring break.

                    you could scream 'coincedence' ,  and you would be right..... if i can manufacture episodes myself, or it hasn't happened to me consequitively everyday without missing one day.

                    that is an impossibility without God orchaestrating it behind the scenes of my life.

                    nearly 3 years everyday.

                    go ahead,  try a self governed experiment to prove to yourself  that's not from God.

                    pick a subject matter that you like.   maybe even something your keenly aware of.   go ahead and pick the most common thing you can think of,  and see how many "days" you go in a row with that occuring.

                    it has to occur without you looking for it,  or occuring because you manufactured an event to "make it happen"

                    it has to occur without your manipulation.

                    you cannot go "searching places TO find it",  it has to occur outside of your effort just in the daily course of your life.

                    you would be off the scale if 'it" happened for  a week.

                    mine is going uncontested for nearly 3 years.

                    that's what grants me the right to speak with boldness when i state "i know".

                    the only reason i know,  is because i wanted to know,  not because all my efforts toward this subject where spent because i only wanted it to "not be true",   so i didn't have to place my self under the authoratative umbrella that God alone holds up.

                    don't believe me?   fine. 

                    i PMed todd about my "occurances" way back in july of 2009.

                    nothing has changed since that PM to todd.   ask him if i discussed it with him.

                    i still have the PM.    you asked me for "proof" God exists,  you want to see it?

                    you won't even be man enough to ask todd if that's true,  because you are afraid it's true

                    ASK HIM

                    of course you Won't,  because your not interested in any proof,  because no amount of proof is enough to a man for whom thier soul mission in life is to excuse away God,  and not to observe "proof" as it unfolds.

                    go into the mathematical forum and have someone calculate the odds of one subject matter occuring unmanipulatively in one mans life for nearly 3 years straight.

                    there is no 'god",  and no one really knows,  right?

                    now,   you are free to demonstrate it's not proof you seek,  BECAUSE YOU WON'T PUBLICALLY ASK TODD

                                "i am .........."meant to"       

                    P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                             until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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                      OK, I get it, nothing can be true unless it fits within the narrow parameters designated by You.

                      And anything else anybody else believes is automatically wrong.

                      Why?

                      Because you said so.

                      I finally understand you.

                      I thought we already made an agreement that I'll write what I want, and you write what you want.

                      Aren't you just as guilty telling me what I can write and can't write?


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                        "Anyone who truly believes they are right, and all the others are wrong, and has no proof to back it up, is delusional".

                         fair enough face-value arguement,  except i do......both historical and personal.

                        since "history" came first,   you get the historical version first.

                        since it's already a document of history,  anyone has access to it in it's most original form,  so you can read texts yourself and decide AMBIVALENTLY if it is ambiguous,  or accurately personal in prophetic nature.

                        it is calculated that Jesus Christ fulfilled 300 (+/-) prophecies made about Him hundreds of years before He was ever born.

                        that's "proof".

                        take away the ones that are self fulfilling,  or are ambiguous enough so that they appear to be assignable to "anyone", fine.

                        just include the prophecies that are recognizable by the people who wrote them who are completely 100% antagonistic TO Christ,  and still that amount of prophecies being fulfilled by one man in history spoken HUNDREDS of years before His birth,  it's a mathematical impossiibility for any other human being to parallel that feat.

                        "antagonistic" is your key word,  and you know someone antagonistic to something is not going to lie about something so what they are antagonistic about can GAIN credibility.

                        no other "god" or "religion" can match that feat or claim,  thereby eliminating all other "pretenders".

                        that's just the factual / historical side that points to a relationship with the only "god" that can actually answer man.

                         

                        the part that leads to a relationship,  facts before faith,  that's were the addendum "proof" comes in .

                        you want hard "personal" facts.   fine.

                        been a believer after Christ showed Himself to me over 30 years ago.

                        over the course of that time,  i have made a concerted effort to attempt to walk where He tells me to walk.  i have zero problem with His authority over my life,  and that's why i have been granted a personal relationship.

                        within the confines of that relationship,  He has a plan for my life,  and whenever He decides it's necessary to tell me what that is,  and begins to filter out enough info so that i have the ability TO adjust to it,  and then He does.

                        not a gazillion times,  but the times where i needed to know for adjutments purposes,  i have always known beforehand.

                        before He has done something thru my life,  i have known it would happen well prior to it's fruition.

                        i am not 'priviledged' above anyone else,  as anyone else has the same equal opportunity as i do "to know" prior.

                        like anything else,  effort equals result. 

                        you don't want to know, and make no effort, you only end up mocking those who do know out of personal frustration.

                        the last particular "i know before it happens" started somewhere in aug 2008.

                        after a period of time (because my heart is always primed and "looking"),  i recognized God was doing something to get my attention about a particular subject matter.  yet,  i know the value of patience and making sure,  before i pursue something,  so i don't waste my time (and especially His).

                        just prior to aug,  i noticed that everywhere i went,  on everyday,  there would always be something that came my way concerning "france, french or paris".   everyday i started to notice it occuring beyond my manipulation / control.

                        so....i adjusted to it,  by agreeing that whatever that amounted to,  i would adjust to it whenever He told me what He was doing it for.

                        the key is my willingness to adjust while not knowing what He was preparing me for,  or going to ask me to do.

                        i am willing period,  and that's why i CAN be entrusted to know beforehand.

                        fast forward to this very conversation,  and there has never been one day since aug of 2008 where God has "failed" to bring something and put it in front of me concerning "france"

                        not one day

                        it's as obscure as watching tv and turning the channel and for a split second between channels, and there is a momentary flash of the eiffel tower,  an image i would have missed had i not been there at that split second by devine appt. 

                        or someone in a market starts speaking french around me,  or my student completely out of the blue who i have never met before, and who has no idea about my "france" proclivity.....suddenly blurts out they just got back from paris on spring break.

                        you could scream 'coincedence' ,  and you would be right..... if i can manufacture episodes myself, or it hasn't happened to me consequitively everyday without missing one day.

                        that is an impossibility without God orchaestrating it behind the scenes of my life.

                        nearly 3 years everyday.

                        go ahead,  try a self governed experiment to prove to yourself  that's not from God.

                        pick a subject matter that you like.   maybe even something your keenly aware of.   go ahead and pick the most common thing you can think of,  and see how many "days" you go in a row with that occuring.

                        it has to occur without you looking for it,  or occuring because you manufactured an event to "make it happen"

                        it has to occur without your manipulation.

                        you cannot go "searching places TO find it",  it has to occur outside of your effort just in the daily course of your life.

                        you would be off the scale if 'it" happened for  a week.

                        mine is going uncontested for nearly 3 years.

                        that's what grants me the right to speak with boldness when i state "i know".

                        the only reason i know,  is because i wanted to know,  not because all my efforts toward this subject where spent because i only wanted it to "not be true",   so i didn't have to place my self under the authoratative umbrella that God alone holds up.

                        don't believe me?   fine. 

                        i PMed todd about my "occurances" way back in july of 2009.

                        nothing has changed since that PM to todd.   ask him if i discussed it with him.

                        i still have the PM.    you asked me for "proof" God exists,  you want to see it?

                        you won't even be man enough to ask todd if that's true,  because you are afraid it's true

                        ASK HIM

                        of course you Won't,  because your not interested in any proof,  because no amount of proof is enough to a man for whom thier soul mission in life is to excuse away God,  and not to observe "proof" as it unfolds.

                        go into the mathematical forum and have someone calculate the odds of one subject matter occuring unmanipulatively in one mans life for nearly 3 years straight.

                        there is no 'god",  and no one really knows,  right?

                        now,   you are free to demonstrate it's not proof you seek,  BECAUSE YOU WON'T PUBLICALLY ASK TODD

                        I already posted the fallacy of the 300 plus prophecies and that wasn't good enough for you. Nothing is. It's a waste of time for me....get it?

                        Yeah, God thinks you're special, and so do I. Maybe he wants you to move to Paris....

                          rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                          I thought we already made an agreement that I'll write what I want, and you write what you want.

                          Aren't you just as guilty telling me what I can write and can't write?

                          Yes, it's all settled as I said a couple of posts back:

                           

                          "But when some lady posts about how happy she is cuz she prayed to the saints and won $600.00 and now she can pay the rent and you ridicule her for it and your puppy dog mario joins in to kick her while she's down and then Nancy piles on, well, I will say something about it.

                          So I guess that's how it'll remain cuz you have appointed yourself the Religious Educator here and that's your right, as you say."


                                                                       
                                               
                                                                   

                           

                           

                           

                           

                                                                                                                             

                          "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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                            Posted: June 9, 2011, 10:08 pm - IP Logged

                            Yes, it's all settled as I said a couple of posts back:

                             

                            "But when some lady posts about how happy she is cuz she prayed to the saints and won $600.00 and now she can pay the rent and you ridicule her for it and your puppy dog mario joins in to kick her while she's down and then Nancy piles on, well, I will say something about it.

                            So I guess that's how it'll remain cuz you have appointed yourself the Religious Educator here and that's your right, as you say."

                            Ok, deal.

                            Look, I'm not claiming I have all the answers because I would be just as guilty as the ones who claim they know for sure which God is the right one. But I've done a lot of research for the past 25 years. I used to believe in Christianity for a lot of reasons as a kid, well into my early 20's, but as time went by with my research, too many red flags popped up. Not just with Christianity, but with all religions. So I decided that since I know that we are made of energy, that there may be some force out there, but it wasn't religion.

                            Whenever I'm faced with a dilemma of any kind, not just religion, I tend to search it out any way I can. I want the truth as much as anyone else out there. One of the first HUGE red flags I stumbled upon at the early stages of my quest dealt with Christians who claim the Universe is only 6 to 10 thousand years old. That sparked my interest because I knew that some galaxies are billions of light years away, but I never put the two together until someone educated me on the contradiction. How can the universe mentioned in the Bible be only a few thousand years old, If it took light at the speed of 186,000 miles per second billions of years to reach our eyes? And from there I kept learning more and more until it became clear to me that it made no sense for me to believe the claims made by Christians. Of course i studied the general principles of other religions and found tons of contradictions also.

                            Science doesn't have all the answers either, but it's not supposed to. The word "Science" simply means "The study of". So when science finds something new, it discards the last findings it made and corrects itself. It's an ever morphing study.

                            Even science can't explain where the singularity that caused the big bang came from. The spark that set it off.  But to say it was God because of a lack of an explanation is not the answer. Maybe God did start the bang, who knows. I'm only questioning why such a God would allow so many religions and allow so many contradictions to continue going on for eons If he really wants everyone to find him. It's almost as If he's going out of his way to show he doesn't exist.

                            I also find it strange, like so many other strange anomolies, that the huge events of divine intervention have stopped since the Bible days, leading me to believe they never happened. I could go on and on but I'll spare you. I could make a laundry list a mile long of the contradictions.

                            Why do men have nipples? What was the purpose of God creating nipples? Why do we share 98% of the genes with Chimps?

                            The list can go much much longer...believe me....

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                              Posted: June 9, 2011, 10:20 pm - IP Logged

                              Ok, deal.

                              Look, I'm not claiming I have all the answers because I would be just as guilty as the ones who claim they know for sure which God is the right one. But I've done a lot of research for the past 25 years. I used to believe in Christianity for a lot of reasons as a kid, well into my early 20's, but as time went by with my research, too many red flags popped up. Not just with Christianity, but with all religions. So I decided that since I know that we are made of energy, that there may be some force out there, but it wasn't religion.

                              Whenever I'm faced with a dilemma of any kind, not just religion, I tend to search it out any way I can. I want the truth as much as anyone else out there. One of the first HUGE red flags I stumbled upon at the early stages of my quest dealt with Christians who claim the Universe is only 6 to 10 thousand years old. That sparked my interest because I knew that some galaxies are billions of light years away, but I never put the two together until someone educated me on the contradiction. How can the universe mentioned in the Bible be only a few thousand years old, If it took light at the speed of 186,000 miles per second billions of years to reach our eyes? And from there I kept learning more and more until it became clear to me that it made no sense for me to believe the claims made by Christians. Of course i studied the general principles of other religions and found tons of contradictions also.

                              Science doesn't have all the answers either, but it's not supposed to. The word "Science" simply means "The study of". So when science finds something new, it discards the last findings it made and corrects itself. It's an ever morphing study.

                              Even science can't explain where the singularity that caused the big bang came from. The spark that set it off.  But to say it was God because of a lack of an explanation is not the answer. Maybe God did start the bang, who knows. I'm only questioning why such a God would allow so many religions and allow so many contradictions to continue going on for eons If he really wants everyone to find him. It's almost as If he's going out of his way to show he doesn't exist.

                              I also find it strange, like so many other strange anomolies, that the huge events of divine intervention have stopped since the Bible days, leading me to believe they never happened. I could go on and on but I'll spare you. I could make a laundry list a mile long of the contradictions.

                              Why do men have nipples? What was the purpose of God creating nipples? Why do we share 98% of the genes with Chimps?

                              The list can go much much longer...believe me....

                              I'm gonna leave the men's nipples controversy to someone with more hands-on experience with that kind of thing.

                              Have you seen Nancy anywhere?


                                                                           
                                                   
                                                                       

                               

                               

                               

                               

                                                                                                                                 

                              "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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