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Atheist converts after mock prayer to win $1M lottery is answered

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this is the PM in it's entirety,  nothing deleted or added,  except for highlighting the date.

i did not includes todd's response because it was a private conversation  between todd and i,  and i have to honor the 'private' part of todd's response,  until i got his permission to post his response. 

but if you want your desperation to run amok (again),  please,  by all means,  ask todd to confirm (or deny) i had this conversation with him on this date.

the now truthful archived date establishes a timeline,  that i was at minimum on that page about this way back then.

my journal,  and eyewitness testimony as to it's never broken congruity are someting your gonna to have to manufature the most rediculous excuse" of your life.

go ahead,  entertain us all.

you won't bother asking todd for "conformation",  because you are afraid of the truthful answer

whether or not you choose to recognize a feat of this magnitude time wise is IMPOSSIBLE unless God was puling the strings behind the scenes of my life in order for it TO happen,   well that's your choice of delusion.

i handled my business,  and since it is still ongoing (with 3 'occurances' happening just today),  looks like my "business" has teeth.

a full set in pristine chewing condition

i don't feel bad,  i know these kinds of moments where God demonstrates He actually is alive isn't wasted on a guy like you.

guys like you throw jewels in the trash,  and prefer to stand on street corners hawking synpathetic diamonds instead

nope,  i allowed a peer into my life to build the faith of those that already believe,  and to provide a spark TO believe,  via an actual observable fact.

so joker,  what possible excuse can you come up with for your life now?

you cannot trump 3 years of ongoing evidence. 

that's the face of what "undeniable" looks like

 

 

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Sent By: visiondude
Sent: July 28, 2009, 8:15 pm

hey todd,  i have a proposition for you,  as you remember from my time at LP that i am a huge proponent for God dealing with man on a personal level,  instead of just a "religious" experience.  I.E.,  that God "can" designate someone a lottery win,  should it fit into his plan FOR that persons life.   so,  with that in mind,  coupled with my previous claims that i have known in the past,  certain things that God was going to do in and thru my life BEFORE he did them,  and my public declaration  previously on LP that i "believe" this will be my destiny,  a certain set of circumstances have been in play which leads me to believe it could be "soon".   these kinds of precursor "hints"  prior to events happening in my life has only happened a handful of times in my life (+/-),  but with 100% accuracy - meaning i knew it WOULD happen,  told people it would, and it did.  with that in mind,  God has been dealing with me about "france".   something about france has come across my way EVERYDAY for the last 11 months.  everyday.  everyday,  without me manufacturing "possibilities",  God has shown me something about "france" without fail.  it is astounding.   to measure the odds of that happening,  pick out another country/subject matter and try and see if you hear or encounter anything about that one singular subject matter (that you have come up with),  and how many "days" that lasts.   everyday it has happened to me for 11 months.   we can control certain aspects of those things to "make it happen",  but not everyday for 11 months straight.  that's impossible,  and ONLY something God can do.  i tell you that to tell you this>  when "it" happens,  i want at least the option of going on LP and demonstrating (to those who ARE interested) that God really IS real,  and that God IS involved in EVERY aspect of our life (or wants to be).   not in the same "i told-you-so"  vein as what easy money pulled a while back,  because i am not an "i-told-you-so" kind of arrogant jerk.  it's a gift,  plain and simple, and can be removed by God from ones life just as fast as it was given.  i Do want the ability to compare from my LP archived posts that one CAN know God,  and sometimes what HE will do prior to doing it.   as of yet,  should it be true,  i haven't decided that i am going to publically come on LP about it,  but i am "positioning"  myself for it by telling you about it P.R.I.O.R.  to.   that way i have an unbiased ally who knew my claims PRIOR so as to validate my claim AFTER.   i will know post win if it is what i should do (come on LP),  or to keep it on the DL.   anyway,  you are the one i picked to know this info PRIOR.  if you can, save this private message between us so that you can post it should it happen,  and i decide to publically proclaim it on LP.........any questions??????

vision

            "i am .........."meant to"       

P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

         until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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    Thanx for wishing me well, and right back at you.

    I don't hate believers, I really don't, despite the picture some people paint of me here. I hope the best for all kinds. But some here feel the need to contradict themselves by telling me not voice my opinion, yet they voice theirs in opposition to my voice....WHAT?....lol

    Vision keeps telling me I'm disrespectful, but I'm only human, and can only repeat something so many times before I either just quit writing it over and over, or get angry in my writings. If I quit, then he calls me a chicken for running away. I'm not running away, I'm simply trying to avoid the whole thing because it's futile.

    Then he wants me to believe his God is real because he's had words of knowledge from God about France for 3 years. I have no freaking idea what France has anything to do with this.

      Well joker...I'm sorry to read that you are having this problem with people...and I am not trying to take your side or anyone else's either...but it looks to me like you just might have to step up to the plate and take the bull by the horns and let this go...cause this looks like it isn't going to end any time soon...so don't keep adding fuel to the fire...just let it go .......just be a man and walk away from it...don't subject yourself to this stuff...there is always someone that feels that they know it all or have the answers no matter what you say or do...Smiley


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      Not only does Vision have jouranls, but now claims to have testimonials from eyewitnesses about France, french, or paris....

      Vision, are you competing with Ridge for the funniest guy on LP?...lol.....Green laugh

      This is why I can't really get mad at you or Ridge because you both make me laugh. Ridge has a way of making me laugh with his wit. he tryly has a gift, but you also make me laugh because like in this case, I can't tell whether you're joking or not.

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        Vision, I don't believe that for 3 years, every single day you had a whatever you call it about France. It's simply hearsay and there's no way you can prove it. Even If you wanted to attempt to prove it, you couldn't. I'd have to live with you 24 hours aday, and follow you around for a week to see you come across French words of knowledge, and that isn't gonna happen...

        Hearsay is not proof.

        "I'd have to live with you 24 hours aday, and follow you around for a week to see you come across French words of knowledge, and that isn't gonna happen"...

         au contraire,  what would you like to wager on it "not occuring" while you accompany me around?

        your beer stash,  and your guitars?      that's a deal.   i can donate them to the.....i dunno....i will figure something out.

        it's just the thought of having you go all in,  and we know for you "all in"  means you have to put up yur heineken and guitars

        work out the details,   pay your own airfare and come hang out. 

        you can't get wasted during your observational week.   you have to be clear minded so you report back to the board truthfully 

        but,  since you slime out on your 'comittments',   if this little facetious scenario had a chance in paradise of ever happening,  i would have you sign an affadavit that you couldn't lie about it,   and that you would have to report it verbatim for howEVER it turns out

        no way your going to agree to that even if this wasn't a facetious joke.

        you won't even "travel" over to PM todd about all this to get your first "taste" of unbiased corroberation

        that fact alone (that you won't)  is yet but another 'proof" of your collective undoing about you claiming you seek truth.

        a true "truthseeker" would run to ask todd.

        what do YOU do?   like you always do,   you head in the opposite direction

        this time you rushed to the sporting goods store,  and spent money you really didn't have,  to buy the most expensive track shoes the store carries.

        the ones in the back.  the ones the general public nevers see's.    the ones for "special occasions"

        those

                    "i am .........."meant to"       

        P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                 until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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          JOKER,  just be a man for once and live up to the things you start in here.

          you cry and whine about perceived "inequities",  and then when someone like me offers up something tangible that *might* have teeth,  instead of dealing with it head on,  instead of debating it as to it's *validity*,   you create some sideshow diversion "ha ha" to keep FROM dealing with it.

          say what you want,  embarrass yourself to the hilt,  but you still can't get passed an archived event.

          it's factual,  and non debateable that it is "there"

          i provided the dated conversation,  which is what men of position do

          real men of strength of position keep their words and back up thier claims.

          guys like you entertain their delusions,  freshening them up,  but this time,  it's gonna take you way more effort for you to 'convince yourself'  it hasn't happened

                      "i am .........."meant to"       

          P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                   until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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              Well joker...I'm sorry to read that you are having this problem with people...and I am not trying to take your side or anyone else's either...but it looks to me like you just might have to step up to the plate and take the bull by the horns and let this go...cause this looks like it isn't going to end any time soon...so don't keep adding fuel to the fire...just let it go .......just be a man and walk away from it...don't subject yourself to this stuff...there is always someone that feels that they know it all or have the answers no matter what you say or do...Smiley

            But does this mean that everytime someone mentions how God did this or that for them, that I should shy away from responding for the sake of not adding fuel to the fire?

            I believe I have a right to respond despite disagreement. I do this in every other subject deemed necessary that happens to come along, no matter what the subject. If someone says the odds are so and so in the "Systems Forum", and I disagree because of so and so, should I also not respond for the sake of not arguing?

            If someone in the Lottery Discussion forum creates a a new thread about an author of a system they're seeking advice on. Should I simply avoid responding for the fear of a disagreement?

            Where should I draw the line?

            Why does every other subject have a free ride in debates, save religion?     Why?

            If it's such a personal event in someone's life, then it should stay personal, but If the person doesn't think it's that personal and is comfortable sharing it on a public forum, then he or she should prepare themselves for opposing thoughts by others who are reading their thread.


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              JOKER,  just be a man for once and live up to the things you start in here.

              you cry and whine about perceived "inequities",  and then when someone like me offers up something tangible that *might* have teeth,  instead of dealing with it head on,  instead of debating it as to it's *validity*,   you create some sideshow diversion "ha ha" to keep FROM dealing with it.

              say what you want,  embarrass yourself to the hilt,  but you still can't get passed an archived event.

              it's factual,  and non debateable that it is "there"

              i provided the dated conversation,  which is what men of position do

              real men of strength of position keep their words and back up thier claims.

              guys like you entertain their delusions,  freshening them up,  but this time,  it's gonna take you way more effort for you to 'convince yourself'  it hasn't happened

              it's factual,  and non debateable that it is "there"

               

              It's only factual If you can prove it. A discussion between two people is not proof. Sorry dude.

              Put yourself In my place. If i told you I saw the word pumpernickle for 3 years straight, every single day either in my head or on television commercial flashes, or whatever, would you really take me seriously, with a straight face?

              Seriously?

              Now I know you're tugging my chain...Green laugh


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                Let me give you a little bit of advice Vision, publicly announcing events doesn't make it true.

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                  i just thought of a brilliant way that i can prove my claims in a most unbiased way.

                  the internet is a beautiful thing,  accessing information from far away.

                  tell you what,  since i am not like you,  and like i stated,  i see my "claims" all the way to it's logical finish line,  what you can do to confirm my claims,  is you can pick an arbitrary place in sacramento calif,  search under that particular city,  and pick some place out randomly that i can go to,  and the person you made the agreement with over the phone  can view my journal themselves.

                  i don't live near sacratomato,  but i don't mind traveling that far to back my claim up.

                  i told you,  i am a man of my word, a man who goes to the Nth degree (if i need to) to back up what i say.

                  you surely have the capability to report back in here to say "he failed to show"....if i don't.

                  you certainly have the ability to make this happen,  but we all know you won't.

                  because your not the man you claim you are,  and your afraid of the kind of man you know i am

                  or,   you could shock the whole board and make it happen.

                  you know i will

                  pick an unbiased 3rd party,  and then lets see if you still say it's "subjective and unprovable"

                  your not schicken of documented facts,  are you?

                              "i am .........."meant to"       

                  P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                           until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                    did you run to smash the PM button to ask todd yet?

                    why is that,   your not afraid,  are you?

                                "i am .........."meant to"       

                    P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                             until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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                      i just thought of a brilliant way that i can prove my claims in a most unbiased way.

                      the internet is a beautiful thing,  accessing information from far away.

                      tell you what,  since i am not like you,  and like i stated,  i see my "claims" all the way to it's logical finish line,  what you can do to confirm my claims,  is you can pick an arbitrary place in sacramento calif,  search under that particular city,  and pick some place out randomly that i can go to,  and the person you made the agreement with over the phone  can view my journal themselves.

                      i don't live near sacratomato,  but i don't mind traveling that far to back my claim up.

                      i told you,  i am a man of my word, a man who goes to the Nth degree (if i need to) to back up what i say.

                      you surely have the capability to report back in here to say "he failed to show"....if i don't.

                      you certainly have the ability to make this happen,  but we all know you won't.

                      because your not the man you claim you are,  and your afraid of the kind of man you know i am

                      or,   you could shock the whole board and make it happen.

                      you know i will

                      pick an unbiased 3rd party,  and then lets see if you still say it's "subjective and unprovable"

                      your not schicken of documented facts,  are you?

                        and the person you made the agreement with over the phone  can view my journal themselves.

                       

                      What, are you kidding me? So because a third party sees your delusional notes for the past 3 years makes it true? Anyone can write things they believe are true, but doesn't make it so....DUH...You gotta do much better than that Vision. I really thought you were better than that.

                      This is a joke right?

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                        it's factual,  and non debateable that it is "there"

                         

                        It's only factual If you can prove it. A discussion between two people is not proof. Sorry dude.

                        Put yourself In my place. If i told you I saw the word pumpernickle for 3 years straight, every single day either in my head or on television commercial flashes, or whatever, would you really take me seriously, with a straight face?

                        Seriously?

                        Now I know you're tugging my chain...Green laugh

                        not between 2 people on one single occasion,  no,  not that moment in and of itself.

                        you are familiar with the justice system,  and all that prosecutors and defense attorneys go thru to get TO the truth of what really happened.

                        you know that one conversation,  one event,  does not come close to what i claim HAS happened,  and that is why i built a timeline to prove i had this going on at least from july 28th on.

                          and now you now i have the ability to corroberate my story with actual observable ongoing occurances over time.

                        the collection of those unbroken facts tell the truth over a 3 year period.

                        i have written observable proof.

                        the icing on that cake,  is you aren't the only one i have ever told.

                        while i haven't shouted it on benny hinn's hit parade,  i have told a good gaggle of people,  even people who don't know God,  not just "Christians".

                        they know it's been 3 unbroken years.   they have observed it too

                        eyewitnesses trump your accusation (as usual) that this all a manufactured hoax

                        truth is,  you swallowed hard and bit your forked tongue when i produced just the PM with july 28th 2008 highlighted

                        you can throw your false bravado all around the room until you tire out and fall over in a sleep apnea frenzy,  but you know it's true.

                        you admitting it's beyond my manipulation,  that won't happen

                        harold camping will be right before you come to truth's table and pull up a chair to dine sumptuiously

                        just beer and guitars make poor "gods", joker

                        eventually they will turn against you Red Devil

                                    "i am .........."meant to"       

                        P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                 until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                            joker....     Yes...you do have a right to respond or disagree...and not have to be afraid to say anything to anyone...but when someone or more than one person  keeps coming back at your opinion than that's when you need to draw the line and let it be.....(if you can or what to)....

                          Somethings are personal to people and than again some people like to share somethings with people even if it is personal to them....hoping that someone isn't going to make a big deal about it and share the joy or sadness with them....

                          It's like some people have thin skin.. (if you know what I mean) and something they say or do just rubs some people the wrong way and before you know it...you have this blown out conversation going on....and than you have people that enjoy conversations like this and want to be the ring leader or the person in charge....so you take it for what ever it's worth....if you want to hang out with the big dogs and you don't have a problem with them...than go for it......in my opinion I don't give a flying crap what you do....just do it....and be happy....LOL...Life's to short to get caught up in conversation like this...and miss out in the good things in life.....unless this is your life.....Smiley


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                              joker....     Yes...you do have a right to respond or disagree...and not have to be afraid to say anything to anyone...but when someone or more than one person  keeps coming back at your opinion than that's when you need to draw the line and let it be.....(if you can or what to)....

                            Somethings are personal to people and than again some people like to share somethings with people even if it is personal to them....hoping that someone isn't going to make a big deal about it and share the joy or sadness with them....

                            It's like some people have thin skin.. (if you know what I mean) and something they say or do just rubs some people the wrong way and before you know it...you have this blown out conversation going on....and than you have people that enjoy conversations like this and want to be the ring leader or the person in charge....so you take it for what ever it's worth....if you want to hang out with the big dogs and you don't have a problem with them...than go for it......in my opinion I don't give a flying crap what you do....just do it....and be happy....LOL...Life's to short to get caught up in conversation like this...and miss out in the good things in life.....unless this is your life.....Smiley

                            If i stop responding, it shows weakness. As If i ran out of things to back up my claim.

                            I have no problem with people posting what God did for them, I just feel I have the right to respond without harrassment.


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                              not between 2 people on one single occasion,  no,  not that moment in and of itself.

                              you are familiar with the justice system,  and all that prosecutors and defense attorneys go thru to get TO the truth of what really happened.

                              you know that one conversation,  one event,  does not come close to what i claim HAS happened,  and that is why i built a timeline to prove i had this going on at least from july 28th on.

                                and now you now i have the ability to corroberate my story with actual observable ongoing occurances over time.

                              the collection of those unbroken facts tell the truth over a 3 year period.

                              i have written observable proof.

                              the icing on that cake,  is you aren't the only one i have ever told.

                              while i haven't shouted it on benny hinn's hit parade,  i have told a good gaggle of people,  even people who don't know God,  not just "Christians".

                              they know it's been 3 unbroken years.   they have observed it too

                              eyewitnesses trump your accusation (as usual) that this all a manufactured hoax

                              truth is,  you swallowed hard and bit your forked tongue when i produced just the PM with july 28th 2008 highlighted

                              you can throw your false bravado all around the room until you tire out and fall over in a sleep apnea frenzy,  but you know it's true.

                              you admitting it's beyond my manipulation,  that won't happen

                              harold camping will be right before you come to truth's table and pull up a chair to dine sumptuiously

                              just beer and guitars make poor "gods", joker

                              eventually they will turn against you Red Devil

                              you are familiar with the justice system,  and all that prosecutors and defense attorneys go thru to get TO the truth of what really happened.

                               

                              yes I'm familiar with this. The prosecutor has to find EVIDENCE to show his claims, not hearsay.

                                 
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