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All joking aside VISION, I have to either give you credit for what happened to me today, or cough it up as coincidence.

There's a new channel that premiered in Southwest Florida last week called "MeTv" Stands for "Memorable Entertainment Tv".

They show old sitcoms and westerns from the late 60's to the mid 70's, some even late 50's like Gunsmoke. Anyways, today I was watching Laverne and Shirley on that new channel, and both Laverne and Shirley were dressed up in French maid uniforms in order to act as workers in a hotel where a famous singer was staying, so they could get as close as possible. I didn't pay too much mind, even though in the back of my head I remembered your French stuff.

After that show came on "My three Sons" . The storyline revolved around Ernie having ESP. Then that old 70's show "Family Affair came on after laverne and Shirley. I couldn't believe my eyes and ears when I remembered that the butler was named Mr. French. That just totally blew me away.

You can check it online If you don't believe me. You can see their line-up from earlier today...maybe...I dunno.

I have to say that was weird, but if you think about it, anyone who is looking for something will see it everday. You may claim that you're not specifically searching out for it, but in the back of your mind, you're unconsciously looking for it.


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    haha, the letter "F",  the bonus plan i guess in this instance.

    i read where the guy said the author hanh stated he considers it a waste of time to discuss "whether God is a person or not a person"....

    i bet he does.

    Historical Christianity,  it's teaching,  it's history,   it's core values,  all center around a person, it contains zero desire to be relegated into being just another "way of life",  seeking to co-exist shoulder to shoulder with other "ways of life" based on an "everythings equal" playground.

    Christianity seeks to exclude itself from the pack,  by being personal,  with a personal God

    without the designation of God being a living breathing personal entity,  there is no "Christianity".

    by hahn steering the discussion in directions like those,  He accomplishes his goal of stripping away the authority of God over His creation by an impersonal hands off approach,  and Christianity is 180 degree's opposite from that.

    i can see the "can't we all just get along" vibe being viable,  but only to a point.

    at some point,  any Christian who understands historical Christianity,  knows it's impossible to relegate Christianity as just another means of "good living".

    when that begins to happen,  a line gets drawn in the sand.

    it is my goal as a Christian to get along with every human being,  irregardless of beliefs.   that is what i am commanded to do.

    but i am also commanded to obey God over man,  especially during the attempted dilution process of turning a personal God down to just a "way of life"

    at some point,  i could not become an accessory to that crime,  just for the sake of "understanding"

    at some point,  a Christian will have to pick the absolutes of God being personal and authoratative over His creation,  far before they can have an "understanding" between others that includes ditching the "personal" out of the equation.

    Christianity was never "a good way to live",  nor will it ever evolve into that.

    it's a byproduct that becomes that,  but only as an addendum to living circumspectly before a God who is personal first

    anyone that can accomplish that feat (making God "impersonal")   gets to be their own rule maker,  because then it becomes wildly chaotic,  and subjective from person to person,  removing the "authoratative" aspect.

    Jesus Christ claimed to be THE way,  not "a way".     

    when He solidified that claim,  it effectively eliminated my responsibility to agree with hanh on that level.

    initually for the sake of respect, yes.

    but the eventuality of it all,  not a chance

    "haha, the letter "F",  the bonus plan i guess in this instance."

    I think you missed it...

    In this short treatise, Vietnamese Buddhist monk Hanh continues the ecumenical dialogue he began in 1995's Living Buddha, Living Christ. The chapters evolved from talks he gave at Plum Village, Hanh's Buddhist retreat center located in the heart of Christian France.

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      This is a Taoist symbol, not Buddhist

       

      Just curious about the change in avatar and a post about a Buddhist monk.

      The Buddhist symbol is a wheel.

      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

      Lep

      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.


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        This is a Taoist symbol, not Buddhist

         

        Just curious about the change in avatar and a post about a Buddhist monk.

        The Buddhist symbol is a wheel.

        Putting up my YinYang avatar was not a reference to Buddhism.  To many people it represents harmony and give and take, which I thought the thread was lacking.  You'll see it receive attention in Feng Shui as well.

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          Got it.

          In the sense that "timing is everything" I just thought it odd to see that avatar with that post.

          Kind of like saying one teams' infield is the best in the majors and then showing the logo of a different team.

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          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

          Lep

          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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            All joking aside VISION, I have to either give you credit for what happened to me today, or cough it up as coincidence.

            There's a new channel that premiered in Southwest Florida last week called "MeTv" Stands for "Memorable Entertainment Tv".

            They show old sitcoms and westerns from the late 60's to the mid 70's, some even late 50's like Gunsmoke. Anyways, today I was watching Laverne and Shirley on that new channel, and both Laverne and Shirley were dressed up in French maid uniforms in order to act as workers in a hotel where a famous singer was staying, so they could get as close as possible. I didn't pay too much mind, even though in the back of my head I remembered your French stuff.

            After that show came on "My three Sons" . The storyline revolved around Ernie having ESP. Then that old 70's show "Family Affair came on after laverne and Shirley. I couldn't believe my eyes and ears when I remembered that the butler was named Mr. French. That just totally blew me away.

            You can check it online If you don't believe me. You can see their line-up from earlier today...maybe...I dunno.

            I have to say that was weird, but if you think about it, anyone who is looking for something will see it everday. You may claim that you're not specifically searching out for it, but in the back of your mind, you're unconsciously looking for it.

            i was thinking of that yesterday,  the "familiarity quotient",  just because you naturally have a heightened sense of an awareness about something when something does come across your path.

            irregardless that it is more noticeable,  in and of itself it is not the means for qualification.

            not yet anyway

            the only possiblity where it leaps over the line from 'coincidence' and a 'ah hum" scenario that starts to get your attention to seek credibility,  is time.

            time strectched out over a long enough period where you can'T write it off to 'coincidence' any longer.

            time AND consistentcy,  where if you are going to add things up on the "what's fair" in life,  while eliminating the emotional factor of "wanting it to be true",   time and consistentcy are the true allies that posssess the ability to decipher that.

            at some point,  you have to cut emotion completely out,  otherwise it's reduced to mere subjectiveness.

            given at least that admission,  that it has happened "enough" to remove the "oh i am just more keenly aware of it now,  to   really,  it's not just a coincidence any longer",  then that's where you cross the line to believability.

            a personal note about myself, and this arena,   this stuff has happened to me on several occasions in my life.   not alot,  but several times over the years.  and each time the "methodology" is the same.

            uninvited repetiveness over time .

              enough to where i noticed it because it got my attention, ,  i started to immediately decide that "IF" it was something that repeated over time enough,  that i would adjust to it,  and pursue after it with whatever filtering knowledge about it came my way,  and i would see it thru to the end.

              everytime this has happened to me,  i have experienced a 100% track record of the "occurances" coming to pass.

            (except 2)

            even more important, is that while i am willing to adjust to when i think something is brewing,  and the natural inclination is to be "looking for it",  still the LAST THING i ever want on the resume of my life is that i chased things that were never to be.

            that's why you see me hawk bumper stickers at LP that say buy "1QP ticket and let it go". 

             if you are meant to, you will.  if you aren't,  it doesn't matter how many tickets you buy.

            i just have this thing where i want to be a "doer",  but not at the cost of chasing something that won't happen anyway.

            that gives me a great luxury within these little scenario's,  so that i am not emotionally driven,  that now just because i "see things" repetitively speaking,  i don't just run with the ball,  and make something out of it that it is not. 

            that's a total waste of time.

            believe me,  for my life,  i need to make sure that i don't waste my time,  and even though it's happened rediculously so,  i still make sure i take my hands off it as much as possible,  like going TO look for it.

            i could make it happen,  if i wanted.   all i need to do is go to repeat occurances,  and "claim" that counts for today.

            i could go in my freezer and pull out the french toast container once a day.   that's not a validation.  that's self manufacturing.

            it is imperative that the more i do NOTHING, and just live my life,  i don't  make anything to happen, the more eveident it is God,  and not just coincidence.

            one thing i will do is do whatever i can to make it more difficult.   that's why you see me consistently do odds stacking.

            i live for the odds being stacked against me,  because God is more clearly recogonized in my life that way.

            if it is God,  it is  His responbility to insure it does happen,  and the only way i can differentiate that over time,   is watching it occur by completely stubling across it during the course of my day.

            just like you did.   like that

            you didn't say anthing about "pumperknickle".   i am guessing your "streak" stopped at 2 days,  yes?

            i told you though,  you can up the odds of this,  in fact,  i prefer you do.   make it as "common" as you can make it,  to give it the best chance.   but remember,  it needs to be just obscure enough.

            this 'occurance' discussion parallels the only reason i am at LP,  because the same methodology about "france" is the same methodology that has been occuring to me over the span of 13 (+/-)  years.

            obviously that hasn't come to pass,  and it (the lottery)  hasn't had the crazy voracity of 3 years everyday in a row happening (like france has) ,  but "enough" where i crossed the line from "ok, this has my attention,  to "ok,  now i have to buy a ticket and position myself for it,  because it's eventually going to"

            when it comes to my personal lottery pursuit,  i have made 100% sure my "pursuit" is not emotionally driven. 

            i wouldn't even be in here if i didn't believe that someday when the timing becomes perfect, i am 'meant to'.

            when i mentioned all the previous rodeo's i have been thru on this level,  and all of them have come to pass, "except 2"...

            that's the "lottery" and france" issues.    other then the "pending" issues,  all the others that have come to pass leads me to believe it's just a matter of time.

            hey,  who is to say "france" would end up being something that benefits me,  or enhances my comfort level when people try and project this stuff out?

            God has never been "specific" about france with me.   what if He did this,  only to ask me something i REALLY don't want to do,  and that's why he has done this to a rediculous level,  to make sure there is no question He has asked me to do it?

            it's not like He has had to do this on any where near this level in the past to get me to come to the table,  i always have.

            but the incessant aspect of this means whatever "it" becomes......i have NO choice,  i HAVE to do it

            truthfully speaking, that does make me a little nervous.  i will do it whatever "it" is.

            i serve Him,  He does not serve me,  and if that's a true statement,  i will

                        "i am .........."meant to"       

            P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                     until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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              "haha, the letter "F",  the bonus plan i guess in this instance."

              I think you missed it...

              In this short treatise, Vietnamese Buddhist monk Hanh continues the ecumenical dialogue he began in 1995's Living Buddha, Living Christ. The chapters evolved from talks he gave at Plum Village, Hanh's Buddhist retreat center located in the heart of Christian France.

              no, i did totally get that.

              i read the references,  and saw that ("france")

              thanks for noting it,  jimmy

              vision

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              P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                       until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                another DVRed event i taped earlier and just got around to watching,

                the iron man world chapionships from clearwater FL.

                i like to ride road bikes,  so i taped it because they guys have the best of the best triathalon road bikes

                while some dude was transitioning from his ride into the area where he would park his bike,  so he can put on his shoes for the run,  he crashes his bike just as he is getting off of it.

                anyway,  the dude was from france........  ( sylvain sudri )

                he had a DNF after that to end his day.        a little too much "chin music" on the pavement

                he had what looked like a #4  on his arm in permanent marker

                like,  how many people from france come to race in iron man tri's anyway ?

                i lost count,   but i think that's 3 days in a row per my claim

                            "i am .........."meant to"       

                P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                         until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                  The law of attraction is a mighty thing...


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                    another DVRed event i taped earlier and just got around to watching,

                    the iron man world chapionships from clearwater FL.

                    i like to ride road bikes,  so i taped it because they guys have the best of the best triathalon road bikes

                    while some dude was transitioning from his ride into the area where he would park his bike,  so he can put on his shoes for the run,  he crashes his bike just as he is getting off of it.

                    anyway,  the dude was from france........  ( sylvain sudri )

                    he had a DNF after that to end his day.        a little too much "chin music" on the pavement

                    he had what looked like a #4  on his arm in permanent marker

                    like,  how many people from france come to race in iron man tri's anyway ?

                    i lost count,   but i think that's 3 days in a row per my claim

                    The probability issues raised by your discussion of observations of references to France has analogues in the lottery and gaming.  You are not helping people understand the randomness of the lottery by alluding to something other than randomness in this case.

                    If another person traveling with you 24/7 over the last decade had an attraction like yours to, say, Iraq, I wonder which of you would have received the most "hits?"  Smile

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                      The law of attraction is a mighty thing...

                      gamermom, if you believe in the "law of attraction",  that fine,  but the particular scenario that is happening to me currently,  or the others that have happened to me previously,  have nothing to do whatsoever with the law of attraction.

                      for me,  all i do is live my life while making it a priority to be obedient to Christ,  knowing He has a specific plan for my life.

                      because i am well aware of that,  and i am willing to adjust to whatever He brings my way to let me know what that is, i always recognize when He is speaking to me by using the circumstances of my life around me.

                      God takes each individual and uses different "methodologies" to get our attention.

                      but the premise of that,  whether it is from God or not,  is if it mirrors biblical priniciples during the course of observance and pursuit.   if it takes a "detour" from biblical principles AT ALL,  it's not of God,  and not to be pursued that way.

                      the "how" of how this is occuring to me,  may or may not happen to another individual the way it does to me.

                      that is what's fantastic about God,  is the personal aspect.   he tailor's His will to each individual,  thereby eliminating the notion we falsely seem to run to....."hey,  it worked for him,  now i am going to do the same thing,  so it HAS to work for me".

                      that does not work.

                      take for instance the lottery,  for most people,  it is just not in thier "cards",  and you can do everything verbatim the other person did who won,  and not experience the same result.

                      accurately speaking,  when it comes to the individual will of God for man,  you are either "meant to,  or you are not",  and no amount of "attracting" methods will work.   

                      everyone has to get off of the notion that winning a lottery is some level of validation,  that you have "arrived".

                      while money does make one more comfortable,  it is not what matters in life on the qulaification scale of what does matter.

                      in the "i am meant to" scenario,  no one is then "better than" anyone else.   it is merely a function of will and purpose,  it is not some backward indicator that God likes one above another at that particular moment when the results come across the ticker board.

                      He loves everyone equally,  so whatever He decides He wants to include within the framework of His will for a particular persons life,  He will do that.   conversely,  if it isn't within His framework,  He won't.

                      scripture says ; "ALL THINGS work together for those that love Him".    that is all inclusive,  meaning whatever place you are in life,  up and down the scale,  and not just when things are going smoothly.

                      that scripture applies judiciously to the person who loses every bit as much as the person who wins

                                  "i am .........."meant to"       

                      P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                               until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                          and the person you made the agreement with over the phone  can view my journal themselves.

                         

                        What, are you kidding me? So because a third party sees your delusional notes for the past 3 years makes it true? Anyone can write things they believe are true, but doesn't make it so....DUH...You gotta do much better than that Vision. I really thought you were better than that.

                        This is a joke right?

                        with all the quotation marks, bolding, highlighting and paragraphing I don't see how anyone can read his posts let alone take him seriously.

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                          The probability issues raised by your discussion of observations of references to France has analogues in the lottery and gaming.  You are not helping people understand the randomness of the lottery by alluding to something other than randomness in this case.

                          If another person traveling with you 24/7 over the last decade had an attraction like yours to, say, Iraq, I wonder which of you would have received the most "hits?"  Smile

                          you are right,  this screams the "probability" factor,  and that's exactly why i am underlining it.

                          what is the "probability" that something like this could happen to an individual,  and still end up calling it just a 'coincidence"?

                          the probability factor raises what it is intended to in this scenario.

                          is "it" from God,  is it just a naturally occuring phenomenom, or what other explanation?

                          being accutely aware of something naturally heightens the probability, yes,  but after awhile,  it becomes difficult to write it off to coincidence or heightened awareness.

                          everything hinges on the probability factor concerning this.    length,  time, and consistentcy raises questions,  and therefore raises a question mark in a persons mind as to it's origin.

                          that's a good thing.  why? 

                          not because i am seeking to raise false hope with anyone concerning the lottery (hence my "only if you are meant to"),  but i am thru the transparency of my life,  by allowing people to observe my life,  they too can "observe" that God is real,  and not some mythical fabrication.

                          there is no way you will ever see me telling someone else this can happen to them too,  because it may or may not.

                          that's not the point of this,  as per my explantion to gamermom above.

                          you have seen my "views" expressed in the QP's vs systems threads about how stringent i am against false hope,  and in this scenario i am discussing here,  i would seek to steer away from it even more stridently.

                          i cannot control how people will add this all up in their mind,  and i know human nature means there will be those that totally misinterpret this,  that they too can duplicate this if they expend "just enough faith".

                          that is not how this occurs.

                          if it happens,  it happens,  and the idea is to roll with it until it's conclusion

                          not sure what you meant about the "iraq" comment,  can you explain?

                          i know for me,  during previous experiences where these scenario's came to pass,  the "methodology" was more hit and run,  and spread out over time on an occasional basis.   but those too were "enough" that i knew.

                          this time it is incessant.  everyday for nearly 3 years. 

                          going back to your iraq comment,  i am still at a semi loss as to why God feels the need to bomb me with this.

                          He surely didn't need to do it everyday for this long TO get my attention and allegiance

                          maybe it's not for my benefit,  but for the benefit of others,  so that they can observe that He is in fact real

                          i know one things for sure,  the non coincidental nature of all this,  coupled by the time and date stamp aspect means it will eventually validate itself as being "from God"

                          however that shakes out,  and whoever that attracts because it eventually validates,  that is beyond my concern and pay grade as they say.   i just go along for the ride,  and see where the ride takes me

                          it has already passed the 'probability test'  more than 2 years ago.

                          remember,  unless joker's streak is intact,  he went 2 days.    mine is nearly 3 years.

                          nope,  i will never be an accessory to the crime of "false hope"

                                      "i am .........."meant to"       

                          P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                   until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                            with all the quotation marks, bolding, highlighting and paragraphing I don't see how anyone can read his posts let alone take him seriously.

                            you can read it just fine.

                             it's your personal choice to believe it or not. 

                            it's  obvious that people who don't agree seem to use the excuse of my lack of grammar skills as to one of the reasons why they don't,  and that's a complete non qualifying factor to a dissention of opinion.

                            if it was so "out there",  no one would be able to respond.

                            you did,  then changed your "response" once my post didn't favor your opinion.

                            i get that,  we might be on opposite ends,  but you can understand me "enough" just fine

                            in all the years i have been here,  i have never once used the excuse of someones "lack of  grammar" when i disagreed with them,  and there have been a ton of people way worse than i am.

                            it's a poor excuse. 

                             just sayin

                                        "i am .........."meant to"       

                            P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                     until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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                              you are right,  this screams the "probability" factor,  and that's exactly why i am underlining it.

                              what is the "probability" that something like this could happen to an individual,  and still end up calling it just a 'coincidence"?

                              the probability factor raises what it is intended to in this scenario.

                              is "it" from God,  is it just a naturally occuring phenomenom, or what other explanation?

                              being accutely aware of something naturally heightens the probability, yes,  but after awhile,  it becomes difficult to write it off to coincidence or heightened awareness.

                              everything hinges on the probability factor concerning this.    length,  time, and consistentcy raises questions,  and therefore raises a question mark in a persons mind as to it's origin.

                              that's a good thing.  why? 

                              not because i am seeking to raise false hope with anyone concerning the lottery (hence my "only if you are meant to"),  but i am thru the transparency of my life,  by allowing people to observe my life,  they too can "observe" that God is real,  and not some mythical fabrication.

                              there is no way you will ever see me telling someone else this can happen to them too,  because it may or may not.

                              that's not the point of this,  as per my explantion to gamermom above.

                              you have seen my "views" expressed in the QP's vs systems threads about how stringent i am against false hope,  and in this scenario i am discussing here,  i would seek to steer away from it even more stridently.

                              i cannot control how people will add this all up in their mind,  and i know human nature means there will be those that totally misinterpret this,  that they too can duplicate this if they expend "just enough faith".

                              that is not how this occurs.

                              if it happens,  it happens,  and the idea is to roll with it until it's conclusion

                              not sure what you meant about the "iraq" comment,  can you explain?

                              i know for me,  during previous experiences where these scenario's came to pass,  the "methodology" was more hit and run,  and spread out over time on an occasional basis.   but those too were "enough" that i knew.

                              this time it is incessant.  everyday for nearly 3 years. 

                              going back to your iraq comment,  i am still at a semi loss as to why God feels the need to bomb me with this.

                              He surely didn't need to do it everyday for this long TO get my attention and allegiance

                              maybe it's not for my benefit,  but for the benefit of others,  so that they can observe that He is in fact real

                              i know one things for sure,  the non coincidental nature of all this,  coupled by the time and date stamp aspect means it will eventually validate itself as being "from God"

                              however that shakes out,  and whoever that attracts because it eventually validates,  that is beyond my concern and pay grade as they say.   i just go along for the ride,  and see where the ride takes me

                              it has already passed the 'probability test'  more than 2 years ago.

                              remember,  unless joker's streak is intact,  he went 2 days.    mine is nearly 3 years.

                              nope,  i will never be an accessory to the crime of "false hope"

                              "not sure what you meant about the 'iraq' comment,  can you explain?"

                              It was an effort to point out that the number of references to a specific country that you observe as you move through your life will tend to be proportional to the country's involvement in and interest to the world at large.  If for some reason Kiribati had initially caught your attention rather than France, I doubt if we would be having this discussion.

                                 
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