The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Now thats wassup!

But something tells me that not everybody who challenges God like that can be a millionare. If it was possible I would say that prayer every 6 months lol

Great story, God bless her.

Congrats to the Bentivegna family! Mother and son are both winners!

Oh I love this story!! It's called putting a fleece before the Lord!!

Hmm... Well I thought the bible contained numerous verses that pertained to testing God, and that it pissed Him off... Hopefully this reborn christian will beg for forgiveness once he learns.

Or perhaps ever since this world has gone to crap, God decided that He needs to let His presence be known so this plane of debauchery that we call earth can finally adopt some sanity... it is getting awfully close to that 2012 phenomenon...

And I don't mean to force any religious views or beliefs onto any of y'all, for I am a self-proclaimed agnostic, or as my father would say: "half-assed christian." In a "glass is half empty" sort of way...

ok ill give this a go :P

If she'd won without buying tickets, then it'd be impressive.

Ask and it shall be answered...... sometimes yes and sometimes no !

Congrats, let's keep on asking >>>>>

EddessaKnight

My kind of story....love it...They both got blessed!!!!

  hmmmph !! ....... I wonder what he'd of said if she hadn't of won all that money  

"Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, ‘Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.’"

RL

Its hard to say anything good about this story. I don't like when atheist temp God to bend to
their will by preforming stupid little parlor tricks. just to prove his existence. "if there is a God he'll knock
this glass of water right off the table" or the college professor who claimed that there was no God
and that if there was; he would come knock him off his podium. how much more arrogant can the human race become? He is the Supreme Being and has nothing to prove to you or me. now I can't answer why
this woman won the lottery; but I can say that a million bucks is nothing compared to spending eternity
knowing that your son is in eternal <snip>ation. maybe, he has become a believer I hope so. but he
better quit throwing his little temper tantrums like a 5 year old and start taking our heavenly Father
serious and start showing him a little respect!

I love stories like this........

Isaiah 61:7 "Instead of their shame my people will receive a double portion, and instead of disgrace they will rejoice in their inheritance; and so they will inherit a double portion in their land, and everlasting joy will be theirs." The mother got 2 blessings her son becoming a believer  and $1 million dollars.........

Thank you Jesus!!!!!!!!

Yeah I waited for like an hour for this story to be told on TV (that is why I dislike watching news on TV...they give it to you as it suits them and not you).  I was thinking it was an online game jackpot win. Yes, $50K per year for the next 20 years is nice dough (of course, after taxes she is not a millionaire), but this would have been more impressive had it actually been an online game in which she had picked numbers like 1, 2, 3, 54, 55, and 1 for MB/PB...a highly unlikely combination to win and she won it.  Now of course, the numbers I choose are hypothetical, but if anyone wants to play them, go ahead as I don't have a patent on that combination (just joking!!!).

Nice story but I think in the end, the fact his mom won still hasn't made him a "hallelujah, jumpin' for Jesus, praise you Jesus" kind of guy.  I mean, if God were to bless me to win either Mega Millions or Powerball, I would make it a point to step into a church every Sunday (or a given day of the week if I couldn't do so on a Sunday) just to worship HIM and give thanks.  Until then, I will remain critical of how many pastors present the Bible seemingly for their own gain at the expense of the followers.

You shouldn't "Mock" GOD.  Maybe the lord is trying to tell this guy something?   Prayer is a powerfull thing.....maybe the lord did let him win to give him a message......  Interesting Story!

100% coincidence.....PERIOD!

Silly story.

If one prays to win a jackpot and it does not come true, that does not prove god does not exist.

But if it does come true, then god does exist?

Flawed logic!

So God only answers mock prayers?

The moral of this story is don't mock God as he is very powerful and will surely answer whatever you are mocking for.

Congrats to his mother

maybe

maybe not

i happen to believe it's 100% congruent with Gods nature that he could have accomplished this within that man's life in order to get his attention.   i have personally been a witness to these scenario's many times in my lifetime,  so i know He does.

i also see the value when He doesn't

but......the difference in a man's heart determines what God does at times,  and because God knows the heart of each man,  He knew that sal bentivegna would make good on his end of the challenge,  so God chose to do it.

the key to this isn't a $1,000,000

the key is that sal bentivegna made good on what sal's heart was saying all along.  long before sal spoke those words

that he WANTED to know God.   not that he wanted to excuse him away.

if the real condition of sal's heart was only to consistently excuse him away,  sal would have mirrored your response.

sal just made a new discovery.  i won't take long for sal to realize a million dollars is inconsequential in comparison to the treasure he now has

Presumably whatever he has said these past few years; that have felt as a 'thorn in his mother's side' each time.  Perhaps he's a very verbal sort of fella, very common.  The same thoughts.

I bet there is an increase today in the number of mothers receiving phone calls from their sons asking if they won the lottery.  I wonder how many will get the response they want to hear? 

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-friends-weekend/index.html#/v/965576000001/lottery-prayer-is-answered/?playlist_id=163197?test=faces

Wow, this guy is VERY arrogant to think "God" answered his mock lottery prayer for a million dollars while a child dies every few seconds from starvation and disease.  On a side note I wonder which religion he converted to?  He has thousands to choose from:) Whos knows which one is correct.  If he happened to choose Christianity I wonder which of the 38,000 denominations he chose LOL.

This entire thing is completley ridiculous and anyone who believes "God" answered his lottery prayer and gave his mother 1 million dollars to "get his attention" while so much suffering is happening to innocent children is in serious need of mental evaluation.

"The moral of this story is don't mock God as he is very powerful and will surely answer whatever you are mocking for."  I almost spit my drink up at this comment.  So, if I mock "God" my Mom gets a cool million?  Why wouldn't you mock "God"?

That is all.

 @ TruthSerum........ what an air head

TruthSerum, you say there are 38,000 Christian denominations. Add to that the thousands of other religions and picking the correct one is like a Pick 4 game.

The last time I compared religion to a lottery, my post was deleted. I think it was god's will.

I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.

Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.

Every last one of em.

I love how you know what God is thinking and why he does things.....and that's IF God even exists. You religious folks are too much.

Thank GOD someone finally gets it here on the LP. I've been saying this forever.

20,000 kids die everyday from malnutrition and/or disease, but God answered this guy's prayer.....

There are too many gullible folks on this planet fighting and killing each other over who's God is right. And to this day, in the 21st century, folks still believe in this old stuff that is so outdated, it boggles my mind.

I just can't wait to see the next football team that huddles and prays to win the game. I'm sure God's priority for the team to win is much higher than saving those 8 million kids that croak at an early age every year.....

You're absolutely right. The folks who actually believe this are delusional and need serious mental evaluation. It's scary...

Looney tunes man...looney tunes...

Wow, look who's preachin' now.

rdgrnr,

You must meet non-believers in different places than I do.  I don't know any hateful ones personally.  I know some that become impatient with the flawed logic that believers often rely on.  And yes, there are some who will sometimes be less than generous when joking about certain beliefs they view as silly.  Hateful?  It's not my experience.  This doesn't mean there are not hateful non-believers.  I'm sure there are atheist serial killers and rapists.  It just doesn't fit the profile of what I believe are the majority of non-believers.

By the way, there is no logical way that I know of to disprove the mother and son's claim that his prayer was the "cause" of her winning, no more than the failure of his prayer would have disproved the existence of god.  Consequently, the son was probably not a true atheist, because, in and of itself, the event that occurred would not have been sufficient evidence to make believers out of any non-believers I know.

http://www.americanhumanist.org/Who_We_Are/About_Humanism

--Jimmy4164

Non of the non-believers on this forum have made a hateful comment towards any other member on this forum.

On the other hand......

What part of anything I wrote was false?

Fact: 20,000 kids die everyday

Fact: Religions of all sorts, not just Christianity create wars that only produce mayhem, suffering, and death.

Fact: Anyone who believes that their religion is superior to the other tens of thousands of religions, sects, denominations, Deities, and so on, needs to be evaluated. Sorry If that sounds harsh, but I believe you wrote that unbelievers were gutless cowards.

Hey Ridge, you may think I'm picking on Christianity, but I'm not. Organized religion is the culprit. I don't care If they believe in the Pet rock as their God. The problem starts when the Pet rock religious group wants to kill his Human kind over it. Or less violently like telling kids they're going to burn in hell If they don't assimilate, and then mutilate their genitals. Isn't that child abuse?

Why not show them every religion so they can have enough time, like I did, to see the red flags and decide for themselves? That's not too much to ask is it?

Then If they did their homework, they may see that it's impossible for every religion to be correct, therefore....BING BING BING BING BING BING BING.....The bells start ringing....and a lightbulb goes off......hopefully....

Doesn't matter to me what "your experience" is.

The mother and son story here has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

The story simply provided the opening for the same tired old hateful BS from the few regular desperate losers here.

All someone has to do is mention God or faith or religion or praying and the same gutless coward losers are out here telling them how stupid they are.

And they prefer when it's women.

That's when they really get tough.

Like I said:

Gutless Cowards.

Every Last One of Them.

I'll get back to you later, you little mindless pipsqueak.

Shine my shoes while you're waiting..

Another hateful comment.

Talk about hate....My MY.....Where's your compassion? Didn't Christ say to "turn the other cheek"?

You say that anytime anyone mentions God or religion, the few A-holes (Gutless cowards) (Losers) chime in.

It's funny to me when a someone here on the LP posts a system or any other idea, the folks come out of the woodwork and challenge the validity of the system. They want and demand PROOF......YES Proof....Hmmmmmmm.....

But if it deals with religion or God, then it's ok, no need for anything.....no proof, no common sense, no nothing. Afterall, It was written in a book thousands of years ago, and there are multitudes who've believed this for a very very long time, so it must be true.!!!!

Why does everything else in life demand validity, but religion always gets a free ride?....Why?...So maybe next time you may want to specifically address the issues I bring up, and stop with the blanket statement, that already tired statement about gutless cowards. I believe you're a coward for not addressing the issues I bring up, and gutlessly hiding behind your blanket statements.

YOU of ALL people have a lot of gall coming here from a country that beats women in the streets for showing their ankles and then purport to tell US what to believe as far as God or religion. Jam it.

Go to Religionofpeace.com and see what your people do EVERYDAY to their fellow human beings and then come back here and tell me how important it is that YOU have to straighten out the American Christians. You hypocritical piece of garbage.

What have YOU DONE to help out starving children? Did you think this was heaven and everything is supposed to be perfect? You insufferable moron!

I had intended to go on and on but I realize it's useless with an idiot like you. You'll never learn till it's too late.

Why can't you just mind your own business and leave people alone?

And the next time you send me an insulting tough guy PM, don't block me from responding, you gutless coward.

Not hateful, little guy.

You're just kinda stupid.

That's why you follow joker around like a lost puppy.

Nobody takes you serious, just go away.

Another very hateful comment.

And another brilliant comeback.

Lottery Post rules:

Criticize ideas, not people.  Flaming will not be tolerated.  This includes any material which is vulgar, defamatory, inaccurate, harassing, hateful, threatening, invading of others privacy, sexually oriented, or violates any laws.

Boy, you're lucky there's no rules against being stupid, ain'tcha?

Amazing. I remind you about the Lottery Post rules and you actually break the rules in your response. Truly amazing response.

You know what, I really don't care if this gets deleted. I've said this before and I'll say it again.

I never beat any women. I came to the U.S. when I was 7. I joined the U.S. Navy when I was 17 in an 11 month delayed entry program that earned me a stripe even before i actually went to bootcamp and left after 4 years with an honorable discharge, and will show my DD-214 If I have to. You don't know me from Adam and you lump me in with those crazy religious Iranian nutcases. Yes...THEY are religious nutcases. I"M NOT...!

You keep saying...."MY PEOPLE"....They're not my people. I'm a U.S. Citizen who loves the U.S. and proud to be living here you RACIST!........ and every right to express my opinion. Ridge, you sound like the type who sounds racist and likes to suppress free speech. 

You need help.

What are you doing here?

Shouldn't you be sniffing joker's rear end?

I blocked you from responding because you're too brainwashed to argue with. It's like a Geologist arguing with a flat-Earth believer. it simply won't work.

Ah, the race card. I don't even know what race you are and you call me a racist.

You say you're a proud US citizen, then why don't you stop persecuting people for expressing their freedom of religion?

My ancestors came here to escape from people like you!

And now we're supposed to put up with it and let it start here?

UH-UH, NO WAY!

It's not a race card, it's a fact. You lumped me in with the crazy Iranian strong armed husbands who are ubiquitous in Iran. That's not me. I've eaten plenty of apple pies and driven a few Chevys in my lfe. I play rock guitar (or at least I think i do), relishing in the American lifestyle. You've got me pegged wrong dude. Ridge, I don't hate you as a person. I don't hate anyone that doesn't agree with my thoughts. I present my ideas whether I agree or disagree because I live in a country where i can.

You keep saying persecuting...what?.....So because i disagree with a thread about a guy's mom winning a million by some force, makes me a persecutor?....Are you schmidting me?

Yeah, you're a regular Opie Taylor, I'm sure.

Ok, we gave you free speech which you never had before and the thing you want to do with it most is tell us how stupid we are to believe in Jesus Christ and God?

Tell me how long a Christian would last trying that crap in the place you came here from? He'd have his head lopped off on day one.

Respect is the name of the game.

It's all about respect.

Ok, we gave you free speech which you never had before and the thing you want to do with it most is tell us how stupid we are to believe in Jesus Christ and God?

Oh, I didn't know there was a limit on ideas. Ok, why don't you tell me what I can say and can't say Ridge. Hmmmm that sounds like a dictatorship....

The best part of what you wrote above was about how long a Christian would last "WHERE I CAME FROM"....hee hee....You made my point about the religious nutcases all over the world.

I won't mention the persecution of the scientists hundreds of years ago who were forced by the Catholic church to denounce that the Earth was NOT the center of the universe, and that many many stars and planets were out there. They either got burned alive, or imprisoned until their will was not strong enough, so they recounted everything they wrote in order to live.

Yeah, you're right Ridge, RESPECT is the key.....

You wanna tell me what Christians did HUNDREDS of years ago?

YOUR people are making that look like a picnic EVERY FRIGGING DAY, RIGHT NOW!

Go to the website I gave you for irrefutable, documented evidence.

And again, after checking that out, tell me how important it is to mock and ridicule women in these forums for mentioning they prayed to somebody.

Do you not have the cojones to fight the real religious threat - your people?

These American Christian women aren't demanding you or anyone else join them in prayer or worship their God like your people do.

Why not go straighten out your people first?

Fight the real enemy.

Or are you a you-know-what?  (Gutless Coward)

My people?.....I don't belong to any tribe.

Oy vey, this is getting silly...

Wow, now you're using slang from another religious group you'd like to wipe off the face of the earth.

You wanna tell me what Christians did HUNDREDS of years ago?

YOUR people are making that look like a picnic EVERY FRIGGING DAY, RIGHT NOW!

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OK, I guess we at least agree on something. Religioous fanatics can cause harm.

The common thread of all religions is "LOVE". Let's harp on that instead of HATE....

I can express what's on my mind, and so can you. See how simple that is? No persecution, just difference of opinion.

Now that's freedom......

Disagreeing with another belief doesn't constitute wiping the people off the face of the Earth in my book. Those are your words, not mine.

Yeah, religious fanatics can cause harm.

Little old ladies praying to St Christopher or whoever for a lottery win ain't causing anybody any harm.

Leave em alone.

Define...'Leave them alone"..

Since when were you appointed to filter what somone replies with on a thread? Do I have to now ask you permission on what i can say and can't say?

My words? Read the news much?

Your leader, Ahmadinejad, said those exact words about Israel.

He said they need to be wiped off the face of the earth.

That's your guy.

For your information Ridge, I reply to all threads on this site, some i agree, some i don't. I don't ONLY jump into religious threads to annoy Christians. I was hoping I didn't have to explain such a trivial point, but i guess i have to.

Unlike you, I'm not biased. Religion doesn't get a free ride. Everything to me is subject to scrutiny.

He's not my leader. Get that thru your thick head.

Now you're starting to sound like an idiot.....

American men have a long standing tradition of protecting women.

You wouldn't understand.

And we know that if we don't defend our rights (like freedom of religion) we'll lose them to know-it-alls like you.

What are you getting indignant about?

You said they were my words.

I just told you whose words they were.

And that's the truth.

It was the President of the place you were born.

He got a standing ovation when he said it, by the way, in front of a crowd of your people.

Funny how you haven't said you disagree with what he said.

I haven't disagreed with what the President of iran said?....

Now I know for a fact you don't have a flying clue where I'm coming from.

So you'll stand with me and the Israelis against him?

What is with this whole thing about men and their wives? I've never been married. Are you ok man?

You'll never lose your right to defend your religion, as long as you give others the same opportunity to disagree.

What part of this don't you understand?.....or are you gonna go on another rant about Husbands and wives?

Well of course I agree. The Iranians are just as crazy to think Israel should be wiped off the map as any other religious group who thinks the same. Again, I'm not biased. Wrong is wrong and it comes in many shapes and sizes, religions, groups, countries, ideals, and so on.

Just because I was born in a country who's moral boundries are dictated by some religious fanatical idealism, does not automatically become written in stone to someone who was born there and left. Get with the program.

Here i am spending so much time telling you I'm against radical ideas that are debatable at best, and all you can do is label me without anyhting to back it up. Not to mention the fact that you've systematically avoided just about every point I brought up earlier in this thread.

Oh well, I have to go to work tomorrow.

Ridge, I wish you the best in your endeavors. Have a good night.

"What is with this whole thing about men and their wives? "

I already told you in the 2nd sentence: "You wouldn't understand".

Our culture cherishes, loves, respects, defends and protects women.

Your culture beats and abuses women and treats them like slaves and property.

It's not your fault. That's what your people do. That's your culture.

I never said you couldn't disagree about anything. But why do you have to make the most peripheral mention of prayer or God in a post the focal point of the post and then use it for one of your attacks on Christianity?

People pray, people believe in what they want. They don't come here to hear you preach about how stupid they are for their religious beliefs.

Who appointed you the religious police? Do you want a stick to beat the women on the street like they do in your home country?

Get over it.

But why do you have to make the most peripheral mention of prayer or God in a post the focal point of the post and then use it for one of your attacks on Christianity?

Because this is the Lotterypost, and just like i respond to other threads on this site, I have the right to respond to this one as well. You call it "Attacks", I call it a response.

You like making me repeat myself over and over don't you?

You can call it whatever you want.

You know what it is and so does everybody else.

Your hatred for Christianity is palpable, visceral and seething.

Give the rest of the sleeper cell my best.

The beginning. Its just hard for people to understand/overstand. For religous folks and non believers alike. Trying to tame anothers ego may prove to be a difficult task, yet alone trying to tame ones own. If only you could use/go beyond your five basic senses(which you probably can)you would know the truth for yourself. Don't think id waste 'energy' trying to convince or convert a 'non believer' or 'athiest'. If 'GOD' aka 'highest/higher intelligence' aka 'divine consciousness' hasn't revealed itself to certain people, maybe they are just not ready, or maybe they are not meant to have such forces within or around them, it can be powerful on both ends. I don't know, but im pretty sure it probably has, they just wearn't paying attention, or ignored/deny it all together. Its a big universe. You are not forced to believe anything. Every 'religion' has truth and fallacies. It would be far too easy if it were all truth, or all false anyway. You must seek, with intention. 'Religion' was probably to be created for a kind of moral guidline, but of course it quickly became of political gain, and a lot of time is still used as such. But thats not to say that there isn't any truths within them. Im pretty sure that a lot of religious texts have been re-written plenty over the years by, who knows. But id like to think that 'GOD' aka 'divine will/source/energy' transcends religion, groups, time, space, etc. I also heard that 'GOD' is also a/The master scientist/mathmetician/architech. Thats kinda cool too also.

Whats crazy is that he says he was 'mocking', but anyone who truly doesn't have any faith, or belief in God or in a Higher Power wouldn't even bother making a prayer, 'mocking' or not. So either deep down he really wanted to believe, or their was already a small bit of faith within him that did believe. That mustard seed. I don't know.
But I don't see why its such a big deal that 'HE' believes that Divine Intervention played a part? they are the ones that won the prize/jackpot! Its his/their life. Why try to deny them that?

The only sad part about non-believers/athiest or whatever you want to title it, is that they don't allow themselves to see/experience the beauty or joy of a miracle. A lot of times they seem pessimistic in general, not just limited to these topics. They also deny to realize that 'Athiesm' is also 'religion' or a 'religion'.  **perspective**.   But with that being said, I don't like to devulge/divulge or opinionate too much about such matters or subject. Not really into debates. Plus I have lotteries to win :)    At the end of the day, most people want to be right for agenda or for ego sake, or to satisfy ones own ego if you will, even the so called experts and geniuses of the world. It probably takes more than just 'following' a religion, attending a church or reading texts also. But what do I know, this is not the gospel, its just an opinion. The End

Just like Ghandi once said..."I'd probably be a Christian, If it weren't for Christians".

People like you give Christianity a bad name.

Right...God got involved in making this woman win the lottery...smh.

This story is good because the mother refused to ask God to let her win the lottery as her son commanded.  This proves her faith is unyielding--she knows it's God's power to do with what He wills and not hers to command God to use His power to her will.  The son should remember this lesson when someone challenges him the same way he challenged his mother.  I would say that God got the check mate on the son.

That's just stupid. Luck happens everywhere.

Yeah, we're despicable people, chopping off people's heads and blowing up innocent men women and children EVERY DAY.

Us despicable low down dirty Christians.

How could anyone blame you for hating us?

You gutless, spineless coward.

 is it me or did the IQ of this fine forum just drop a thousand IQ points

Yeah, I noticed that too as soon as you walked in.

I'm new here, but I get what you're saying tho. I read this thread w/interest...

Religion, politics, and the like, sure can arouse inflammatory comments...I know these are quite passionate subjects in my household, for sure!

We were raised Christian..But when I went off to college, things got a little "hairy", per se........

When our Sociology teacher got done w/the Religion Chapter...well, let me put it this way, I did not then & do not now, view "religion" in the same light..

As far as I'm concerned, people can believe what they want...But there are valid points for both the believer & non-believer...

Thanks Cash, good answer. But actually any answer is a good answer because we have freedom of religion.

You can give the atheist point of view and it'll be fine but just don't mention God or prayer or especially the name Jesus here because a certain person from a foreign country doesn't allow it without ridicule.

And he has a legion of personal butt-sniffers to back him up.

Ruining millions of kid's impressionable minds for the rest of their lives is just as bad. I'd rather have my head chopped off than be a brainwashed robot who spends the rest of their pathetic lives worring about some God sitting up there and whether he's gonna send them to hell or not.

Pathetic!

Ridge, you are nothing short of a big fat racist loser!...go eff yourself.

I'm starting to understand now.

I can see a lot of Ahmadinejad in you.

He's an emotional litte midget too. He likes to end his speeches in hysterical tirades just like you and Hitler.

The nut didn't roll far from the bush.

You're still my favorite stinky little midget cab driver with a Napoleonic Complex though.

I picture you with a big Napoleon hat on and like Yosemite Sam running around screaming for attention and the hat covering everything but your feet, lol.

Don't worry little guy, someday, somewhere, somehow, somebody will listen to you.

Maybe you could take a vacation back home and beat a few women to relax and unwind in the meantime.

Yeah, that made a lot of sense. You said that it's better to have your head chopped off than worry about going to Heaven or Hell.

OK then, that's fine, for you.

The rest of us will go our own way if you don't mind.

How about that?

Or do we still have to follow your beliefs or be subjected to your ridicule?

You will never understand me because you don't even understand yourself or reality. You're in La la land believing in fairytales. You don't like to hear the truth becuase it hurts to know what an idiot you are. Who cares, keep deluding yourself...

Thank you cashWinner for your well versed and educated view point. I certainly get where you are coming from.

Hope you get a chance to see the goodness that does exist in some of the forums....Welcome to LotteryPost

I've got a great idea, why don't you simply block me, then you won't have to be persecuted as you rediculously state. You won't be able to see anything I post. Until you do that, you'll have to butch up and deal with it. The world doesn't revolve around you...

Well thank you, TheGameGrl!

I enjoy LP very much..... :-) $ (-:

Sorry little ayatollah, I ain't sticking my head in the sand so you can come to my country and push people around and tell them what they can or can't believe in.

Go abuse women in your own country.

And take a bath once in a while.

It's an old American tradition.

Learn it, live it, love it.

Sorry to break the news to you, but you already have your head up your ass you racist dumbass.

This is quite entertaining....

Racist?

I told you to take a bath.

I'm a bathist!

Agreed..

Both members have some valid points..when they are dissected from the name-calling and vitriol.

You can easily go back and see that Ridge started the name calling with his racist comments and calling Mario all kinds of names, even after Mario warned him about the rules.

Ah Jeeeze, were you the classroom tattle tale too?

Figures.

Teacher! Teacher!

Ridge Runner has moonshine in his desk!

Ridge Runner called me and mario names!       

LOL - You guys are killin me.......

I better head off to Zzzzz'Land (gotta watch the "news" first)

Thanks for a good night everyone!

Good night Cash.

Sleep tight.

      How many times have the faithful prayed to God for a big lotto win & it never happened? I know it's more than the fingers & toes i have. It was just her time to win. You cant convince me God had anything to do with it.

There are worse things to ruin impressionable young minds with. In this day and age something is needed

to make impressions on young minds especially when the world has become such a hostile, hateful, hurtful

place for so many of them.

Why not have a God to turn to? I believe in God and no one will make me believe any different, if they

did it would be satan himself. The father of lies and uncertainty. Satan is the one responsible for doubt

and rejection of God by humankind. We've read what you think about God...do you believe in satan?

God has been a source of strength, hope and faith for many people. He will continue to be too.

Why try to convince them there is no God? Why get so angry when one wants to believe there is a God?

I think your first post to this thread was something along the lines of Coincidence..and that's it. It is said

that: with God all things are possible...who knows why he chooses to answer some and ignore others.

Who knows why suffering is allowed to happen around the world? I sure do not but I'm not going to

question why He allows it or why He won't put a stop to it. I won't challenge God. There are enough

people in the world challenging him..if he took on all of the challenges presented, he would be no differ-

ent than man himself. His power, mystery and greatness would be greatly taken for granted and consi-

dered void because man feels the need to understand and control what is not understood and not able

to be controlled. Man needs to know all mysteries, understand all powers and take charge of what is

not thiers to control. Man diminshes and degrades things. God is very smart to ignore some prayers

and disregard most challenges. He allowed the atheist an answer...we will never know why, we can

guess but only God knows why and that's good enough for most of us, the rest of us can just go on

believing it's coincidence...even the coldest, smallest hearts and minds can change. This is where With

God, all things are possible fits in again.

Joker are you atheist or agnostic?

I just reread this thread from the beginning.

Here is Joker17's first post in it:

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2076541

It was followed immediately by an equally inoffensive and short remark by Mario38.

Then after a few posts of varying degrees of levity in both directions, you weighed in with the above.  I disagreed and replied to it, but you sidestepped my reply, eager to engage Joker and Mario.

Even after your tirades, the objects of your abuse tried to remain civil as long as they could.  Visiondude's response to Joker's same post was thoughtful and peaceful.  As a fellow believer, you could learn a lot from him.

I don't think there's any doubt about the source of the hatefulness in this thread.  I personally know some Iranian immigrants;  attitudes like yours cause a lot of hurt to a lot of people.

Thanks jimmy. This forum needs more people like you. On second thought, this world needs more people like you.

I'd suggest you block me then if your delicate sensibilities are so offended, Nancy.

Wouldn't want you to have a nervous nellie fit, now would we?

That's the smartest thing i've ever heard you say on here. Think i'll go block you right now. Go kill a squirrel & EFF yourself with it you crack head hillbilly!

Ahhh, someone with a brain and can think for themselves....BRAVO !

I'm an agnostic. I don't pretend to know the secrets of the universe.

"Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards."

Joker stood up to all your posts - proves he is not a gutless coward - I think you owe him an apology.  He stated several times he was an American citizen and you continually ignored it with several comments referring to Middle-Eastern people and their laws. 

You hit the nail on the head. I'm persecuting Christians because I stated it was a coincidence.  Talk about censorship.

So as long as I nod my head in agreement with everything Ridge says regarding religion, then it's all fine and dandy. His world is complete.

That's looney tunes 101 in my book.

Like I said before, Ridge gives real Christians who can tolerate opposing beliefs a bad name. Shame on you Ridge....and you call yourself a Christian.

Him and his ass kissers may get me banned from here as they're trying to do but I'll tell you one thing:

I don't get pushed around by anybody.

Not you, not him, nobody.

Believe that.

You're all a bunch of gutless cowards.

And here's the sad part: You know it.

I wanted make a comment in here but with the war going on I'm not sure how it'd go. I'll just throw out there that it's impossible to win an argument about religion with someone who is an atheist and you're not, and vice versa, so there's no point in it. There's better things to do.

I'll just say congrats to this guys mom for winning. Course if we bring CASH Only back I'm sure he'll say it's a curse because it's annual payments so she'll surely be $5 million in the red within a week (or whatever crazy thoughts he had that came with winning annuities).

To quote none other than youreself joker,

OH THE IRONY:

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/217837

PS,

Shalom.

Cointoss, you know I like you despite our little tiffs about some stuff here on the LP, but I'm confused at your inability to discern between my serious posts and the jokes. C'mon dude, how long have you known me by now? You can't be serious with that link....

Oy Vey !!!!!

Hey Joker! Drop trou! One of your ass sniffers is here!

I knew it.

You don't like girls, do you?

It's ok little guy, everybody is welcome here.

Are you a high-fashion hair stylist by any chance?

Uh... Dude... uh, nobody was trying to convince you.

It's only if you mention Christianity in a positive light that a little midget in a big Napoleon hat will come out of a dust cloud like the Tasmanian Devil hysterically screaming bloody murder to make sure you never do it again. All you would see is this BIG NAPOLEON HAT and a little tiny pair of feet sticking out from under it running around in circles and screaming like a banshee.

You have no worries though. He would approve of your religious views and would not assault you for them.

You're safe.

Thank God for that.

Whoops!

You've made serious posts?

(Just trying to lighten things up)

You seem to be in a better mood.

I told you you'd feel better after you took a bath!

Now, that wasn't so bad was it?

You just gave me a brilliant idea. Thanx...

Maybe if i ignore him, he'll go away. It's pointless to argue with someone who is convinced I'm a midget cab driver from Iran who likes to beat women and stinks because I don't take showers. Many times I've reiterated that I'm a very clean person who  was in The Navy, and got out with an honorable discharge ( have dd-214 to prove it) and love this country. I'm disciplined to take showers on a regular basis.

 I take a bath on a regular basis, sometimes twice a day because it's so hot here in Florida. I'm not a midget, I'm 5 foot 7, not tall, but definitely not a midget. I'm a cab driver, but to get the job, you have to take a piss test, and have a backround check done.

 I also don't beat any women by the way, that would be assault and battery, thus my job would be in jeopardy.....all because i stated at the start of this thread that I thought it was coincidence. How anyone can come to that conclusion based on an opposing belief is beyond my understanding.

So does this mean that all German agnostics are Nazis who beat their women and don't take baths?....Someone please explain this lunacy to me.....please..............

You can't change the spots though, can you leopard?

I don't go by one blurb here or there.

It's your modus operandi.

It's your track record.

You can't resist putting down anybody who expresses their faith in God or especially Christians who do. Why else would I have a problem with an inconsequential little nobody like you?

Let's look at something you said in the post above:

"I also don't beat any women by the way, that would be assault and battery, thus my job would be in jeaopardy....."

Notice the little twerp doesn't say he doesn't beat women because it's wrong...

He says he doesn't beat women because "that would be assault and battery, thus my job would be in jeopardy"

So apparently, if his job wasn't jeopardized he could happily continue his homeland tradition of beating women.

But we are the ones that need to learn from him.

Then stop lecturing us on our religious beliefs.

Just leave that one thing alone you insufferable, nasty, little geek.

Do you folks see how this worm twists my words to benefit his rediculous agenda?

So now Ridge, the Psychologist is reading into my word phrasing and his analyzation is that I'm really a woman beater because I never said outright, that I think it's wrong.

Are you kidding me?

Is this the best you got?

Nevermind eluding the myriad of IMPORTANT issues I brought up early in the thread, which of course led to more middle eastern racist remarks.

You're impossible to have a decent healthy debate about anything it seems.

I got your Modus operandi......Get a life!

Celephane wrap has more intelligence...

I'll let you know when I'm done. Stick around to find out when.

I didn't twist your words, you lying little coward.

I quoted you.

It's all there in black and white and it doesn't take a detective to see what your mindset is, pal.

You don't have to tell anybody what to think.

Busted.

You forgot the words midget, wife beater....and stinky.....

You're slacking Ridge....

As I've said countless times before - I never repeat myself.

Can I have my 5 stars back?

This fits perfect in here.

Fairytales???

I have sat on the floor with Saudi Princes, who in their best whites and headwear
served rice on a platter adorned with ground meat turd-like things. We ate with
our right hands from the same plate. They asked me if I was a Christian. I said
“yes”. They pointed out that I and they had a father in Abraham. “Yes, he is
the father of those who believe the promises of God”.

Their heritage was out of Ishmael, while mine as a former gentile was through Jesus Christ.

When I left, they wanted to know if I could hook them up with any  blond
girlfriends I had. They were all redheads.

They observe a lunar month. As did the Jews

They have the crescent moon and star that was taught by Daniel while in captivity to
the predecessors of the magi as to the astronomical observation that would
herald the Savior. Rev 12:1 ( The
constellation Virgo at sunset as seen in the west), as did the Jews.

They expect a redeemer, as did the Jews.

Ishmael wanted to claim the promise that was not his and made his own schism/following,
mirroring the Judean faith. Now they also have their own book of verse.

Even the cursive languages share a common source.

The sons of Ishmael always persecuted the sons of Israel and do so today.

So ‘fairytales’ is the pot calling the kettle black. There is no mistake I have
the same father in Abraham, but I come from the promise side of the family and
not the bondwoman. Sarah believed God too, Hebrews 11:11. Ishmael was the
poster child for a whole culture based on false entitlement; a divine right.

The sons of Ishmael’s redeemer will not be the same cornerstone rejected by the Jews.
He will be more like the capstone on the back of a dollar bill. The counterfeit
religion and culture of the sons of Ishmael has many parallels to biblical record and Judean culture -
not fairytales. They are immersed in
fairytales. Oh, and they expect Christ to return too. There is always a
sprinkling of truth with the lie.

Their new imam will be the King of worldly kings. He will have a genetic claim to the
lineage of Abraham and the throne of the world. There is only one family that claims blood lineage to Christ and ultimately,
Abraham. They claim as all Caesars do, divine right to rule by. Divine entitlemant.

In the country is the last sword of Rome’s Caesar, and it bears a legend. In the
country is a pagan temple whose holiest place and floor is made from the temples
of conquest; even Rome will again yield because the act of overthrow is to tear down
all temples of the defeated to build anew, one. One new religion; that of the King.  Of the two candidates (always
have a back-up) One has the surname of Arthur and the Other, David. What sounds
better, King Arthur or King David? To whom is not the honor of the Kingdom
given? Daniel 11:21 How about one last medieval crusade while negotiating world
peace?

The carefully vetted breeding has ended. The key vessel is dead and the new vessel
is not in the keeping of the lineage to sire a fairytale to come true. The last
to bear the name Arthur has been born. With all the tension about 2012, what do
you think the purpose is?  The Olympics? What new order will be the product of chaos? How does
Camelot sound? You know, political perfection served with whirled peas?

Joker,
you are not expected to be able to discern the difference between truth and a
fairytale. You cannot know the truth and you cannot handle it. The Diaspora
exists and are a secret remnant. There are only 144,000 of the true and elect
that will be found and protected in a future day. They are all of the bloodline
and are not fakes or children of false entitlement. These elect will not be
fooled by the worldly Messiah or Imam (who will have a right eye lost, a withered
hand and have a fierce countenance [ugly] from the assassination attempt).

Be careful for what you wish, many heads will roll and the blood will run to the
sea. Some sweet child is being vetted to go way past the dark side, but whoever it is, they go it alone.

You must choose, but choose wisely. The aliens you worship as advanced beings do
not exist. That is a fairytale. That is very pathetic even though you struggle for answers.

The god you are pissed at is not the true God, but somehow you think it is. You were set-up and knocked down.

DD

The Bible is nothing but Plagiarism. Spend some time to do an objective research and you'll find that many religions before Christianity had the exact same stories as in the Bible.

Hey guys. I have a question for the Christians, but first allow me to divulge in my background for the sake of context. I used to be an active member in my Presbyterian community, attending church retreats twice a year without fail, going on mission trips out of the country to spread the gospel, but have since seen the evils in this world that really made me doubt there is a God out there protecting the innocent. I am now an agnostic, and I must say I find myself depressed more than I should be, given the blessings I've received. I want to believe in God and have that relationship with Him, but I cannot pray with a clear mind and heart no longer. The reality of this world causes too much grief for me to accept the mandates of the Bible. Anyway, my mother is a devout Christian for as long as I can remember. She attends early morning prayer almost every day. She has used her income to build a church and help refugees from religion intolerant nations such as North Korea and parts of China. She is a counselor at this "Spiritual Training" program that apparently helped a lot of people come to peace with God, despite their painful pasts. And yet, her getting cancer was part of "God's plan." She was diagnosed this past Friday, and has since been stricken with fear and sadness. I went to church the following Sunday and prayed for the first time in YEARS, asking God to heal this terminal illness. As I am praying, going through my mother's good deeds in the name of God, and letting it justify God curing her, I find myself becoming angry. According to the good book, EVERYTHING is God's will. Therefore, using my mother as a vessel for His deeds was part of the plan, and so was her getting cancer. I just found it hard to ask Him to cure her cancer, when it was God that gave it to her in the first place. Whether it's the lack of innocence that I possessed as a child, or just the realities of places like Africa and Mexico that I've seen firsthand, I just don't have peace with God anymore. And I yearn for it... Can someone please provide some insight?

whoa.   been away from this thread for far too long.     yikes 

while i don't agree with ridge's "assesment" of joker's basis for his ideaologies,  i do appreciare ridge standing up for the respect factor of what many people believe in here.

if you don't believe or agree,  cool,  but be a respectful sort,  and the truth ridge stated was that there are alot of cowardly people that roam these halls,  that within their response to these kinds of subject matters,  they are sarcastically inclined in their response,  disrespectful,  or otherwise straight up hateful.

THANK YOU RIDGE for defending the notion that if you are going to be nasty towards the beliefs of others,  then you are going to have to expect a defense against that attack of it.

if you don't believe.....then throttle back in your response,  and be respectful 

joker deserves to be put in his place,  based on the continual fact that he doesn't just "disagree",  he is purposefully nasty to those that do believe.

good job,  ridge

much obliged 

I don't get it.  Gambling is a sin.  Lotto is gambling.   Only a crooked church would allow gambling.

CrazyHazyYay,

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--Jimmy4164

I can respectfully say that you're a brainwashed simpleton.

I'm not going to debate a Mr. no-it-all like you again, but I will let you know that when we started this whole thing a while back, it started with a peaceful discourse, but as time goes on, and you don't address the many issues i've proposed, running like a weasel, I get frustrated. I can only repeat myself so many times before I lose it.

You are too far gone to have a debate with because you're too biased. There isn't an ounce of  objective thought in your brain. You're a lost cause....

I don't sugar coat anything, and tell it like it is.

You nor anyone else as a matter of fact has put me in my place because they can't. You can't defend something that doesn't exist, but in your mind. You may keep trying to convince me that you're not brainwashed, but you'll fail time and time again.

The brightest minds have debated this issue for eons, but the ALMIGHTY VISIONDUDE has got it all figured out. Now you know why I call you an idiot....I could be calling you much worse, but I'm trying my best to be respectful....

Things are looking up in Kentucky...

I wonder how they determined what "full-size" was?

And the $40 Million in tax breaks will allow the Kentucky taxpayers to contribute too!

There were no weeds in the garden of Eden. Adams blood was genetically pure and there
were no diseases of the blood. Who made the weeds? Who is the author of death?
Who genetically made giants from what was available to him without having to create because he could not
create something from nothing? Who wants the stolen glory? Who wants to be
worshiped in the name of God? Who wants to be like the most High God?

People are taught much of what God’s will is but there is not scripture to back it up.
What scripture some know seems contradictory. Do you know which god you
speak of when you are taught that he brings death? If one scripture can be
toyed with to destroy Adam’s fellowship with God –to the point it is a lie,
does that lie have the true God’s seal of approval? Who made genetic giants?
Which god? The true God and Father of Jesus Christ or, the god of this world who
has dominion over it and anyone that is his subject born into it? Do you know of either and
their will for you?

You are expected to see the hypocrisy of the false god posing as the true, but not
to the degree you see which god is at work. The success is in the secrecy of
his moves. The true God gets the blame and hearts are hurt. One feels betrayed.
The one who has betrayed you was not the true God, but a poser. A poser who in
his best form uses scripture of the true God to steal, kill and destroy. Hosea
2:6 Speaks of people being destroyed for a lack of knowledge and that knowledge
is an accurate knowledge of Him- God. Romans 10:2 speaks of misplaced zeal for God,
zeal that is not founded in a knowledge of Him. God’s will to be sick? Which
god? 3 John verse 2 seems to contradict the idea that it is the true God’s will
to make one sick and impoverished. The apparent contradiction is in the early
wrongful teachings you hold, not in the scripture. Truth versus tradition is a
hard one on the mind that is used to lies. Black is white and white is black,
all is confusion by the source of confusion. God says of Himself that He is not the author of confusion. Hmm.

If you want to know and worship the true God your only avenue to know what His will is for you is by His Word.

If organized religion indoctrinates people with lies that they later see the hypocrisy
in, why should the true God get the blame? Because you were taught wrongly and
the same seed of the serpent that spiritually fathered the scribes and Pharisees
(the spiritual leaders of Israel) that confronted Christ, are at work even
today. People are destroyed for a lack of knowledge about the true God when
they are not aware of what is written. Jesus said “It is Written”.

The three big ones that keep you in the dark:

                          The trinity

                   Jesus Christ is God

                   The dead are alive

Religion is a stench in God’s nostrils. It is what men do to men in the name of God. All
religions new and old have a little spark of truth in it to allure and attract adherents.
The most vicious and deadly work within organized so-called Christianity: To
make the Word of God into a lie. That is why there are so many denominations.
It is like Burger King out there.

You were taught a lie and told it was truth. It is spiritual plagiarism and
devilish. Eve was enticed to believe a lie: "thou shalt surely not die". The
result of her actions broke fellowship with God and it took the second Adam to
restore that to the point that the spirit of God did not rest upon you on a
condition, but was yours within if you meet a condition (Romans 10: 9,10). Colossians 1:27 :Christ
in you, the hope of glory.

See the post and link by Jimmy 4164? There are many ways to destruction and like Burger
King, the father of lies will serve to you what appeals to you, your way. Have
it your way or have it the Word’s way. Nothing new under the sun. Vision Dude can
serve you greasy fries with your desire dressed up like a Sad-you-see.

Creationists just do not like Genesis 1:2. Nor do they understand what God created that was
new or what was restored that needed repair, like turning on the light (“let
there be light” was not an act of creation; light existed before and was
created before). His right-hand servant was brilliant (as in light, Lucifer was
a creature of light –he was not a snake but shimmered like a snake as it moves.
The word Lucifer describes a form of light.) and had the keys to the pantry but
he cannot create. This same servant felt he was on par with God and tried to
overthrow Him. This servant wanted the dominion of the physical world because
that is the place he can use some old skills. Weeds, germs, genetic aberrations,
war and death; dirty deeds done dirt cheap. It is written of him that he was a
murderer from the beginning. Creationists are trying to appeal to the
scientific mind as a form of outreach. It looks like it is going to be theme park
and if completed, will be quite a cash cow. The organizers are already fleecing
investors. Sounds like another good cause based on lies. So also was Mars hill
near the Acropolis “key chains, souvenirs, idols,… Fresh-Hot-Spicy Vesuvius Rat on a stick! –would you
like the Troy-fries with your rat and you can Caesar-size it for a few more coin?”.

The true God does not possess people to do His will or deeds. The truth in that act
is found by understanding which god does. Get a new God, one you can hold to His Word when you find out what it is.

John
8:32

DD

"it started with a peaceful discourse".

 not from your end, it didn't.   it never does ----->  from you

that's the problem with you,  you cannot seem to control your anger about this subject matter,  and it doesn't take long for you to descend into nasty land.

i am not offended when someone legitimately questions about anything i believe, or what historical Christianity teaches.

  just do it with respect.

you don't have a patient respect bone in your body concerning this,  opting instead to being a sarcastic jerk.

ask a concern like "20,000 kids dying a day", etc...... and that's a legit question and concern when slicing apart beliefs for a better unbiased "look". 

but you don't premise it as a "concern",   your just a disrespectful jerk looking for trouble,  and whine when you encounter someone who tells you what you are, and highlights your motivation.

i wish a had a $1 for everyone of these threads were you started out of the gate with your heinous,  because i could fund my 1QP until the day i "told you so"

"but as time goes on, and you don't address the many issues i've proposed, running like a weasel",

 anyone that actually picks truth over people and agenda knows that's a straight up lie.

between the 2 of us......you are the one that keeps buying new track shoes

"but the ALMIGHTY VISIONDUDE has got it all figured out"

 i do,  but not like you insinuate i do. 

  i don't know everything,  but what i do know i am not the least bit deterred from saying i do,  just because you can't fathom it,  doesn't mean it's "not true".

the only difference between a man like you,  and a man like me is that not only made an allowance for it to "possibly" be real (which you never have),  and follwed that up by backing that belief in that "possibility" that if it was real,  that i allowed it to take it's rightful place of authority over my life.

that fact alone precedes any possibility of you ever finding out "for sure",  until you deal with the authority issue.

so long as you fight against that,  you are only HOPING it's not real.

one of the most intellectually lamest statements a person can make,  given all that is riding on it,  is that "no one knows the truth".

if there is a God......that's 100% erroneus.

conversely,  the truth really is......if there is a God.......millions of people will know

get real.   you disparage everything there is that portends the possibility of God being personal,  and yet you complain "there is no proof".

your an arrogant fool to think God owes you proof / belief,  when your first thought about Him is that.

you can always tell a person who really does seek the truth about these things,  they surely aren't sarcastic / arrogant in thier approach. 

nope.   they are wise enough to realize a maybe,  when it comes to an eternal address.

even if you were right,  and only a dark grave is your "eternity",  you still lost your own battle,  because being a jerk really only affects your quality of life......before your dirt nap.

measure it eiher way you chose,  you are still on the losing end of the scale

Maybe you are agnostic in pleasant environments and atheist in ones where you have to defend your own

ideas and opinions. I think the only supporting opinion you've provided 'proving' there is no God is your

constant argument: Why do 20 million children die.....etc etc etc. Sounds like pumpi sometimes.

You keep calling for proof and urging someone to show you that God is real. You are basing your opinions

on a belief there is no God because you can't see Him, can't touch Him and can't converse with Him.

He won't talk to you...so, He's not there.

He won't let you see Him..so, He's not there.

He won't let you touch Him..so, He's not there.

He lets people die, children die, relatives die....He allows disasters to take place making people miserable,

He allows bad things to happen, He allows people to be hurt, killed, maimed...allows babies to be born

birth defects and so on and on and on. Why? There is no why unless you want to play God. How would

any human being - made in God's image but not in God's almightyness - even begin to understand the

almighty? One such as yourself thinks they can and wants to know and taunts others to provide

proof God exists...you dally with beliefs, believers revel in faith. An atheist has no faith. An atheist rejects

God because he cannot control God. Controlling God is like controlling authority....asking why is defiance.

You somehow feel superior by calling people religious idiots because they can't or won't explain to you

the 5 W's of God yet get defensive when the same is dished out to you.

You stick your own foot in your mouth much of the time you post. You lose control, then regain it by

claiming you only are searching for answers...only to lose control again and claim there definitely is no

God. It sounds as if you found your place in the world, joker. You chose the devil's domain...earth. Be

your own God here because he doesn't exist!! The devil loves dissention, disorder and disobedience...

and he also loves people like you.

You did not answer my other question...do you believe in satan?

"People are taught much of what God’s will is but there is not scripture to back it up"

 none? 

 you mean like the 4,000+ years of predated / eyewitness history even prior to the life of Christ,  that spoke specifically who He would be (God, who comes in the flesh,  and takes on the sin of the world Himself)  ?

i see,  and now whoever reads your cult inspired rambling see's also,  that you depart from historical Christianity like an ego driven bullet train.

meander all you feel the need to,  but i will take historical Christianity for a $1000, alex.

 the scriptures have taught shortly right after their inception ----->  that God would eventually come in the flesh,  and since we have eyewitness accounts of His coming,  and the subsequent fulfillment of all He said He would do,  historical Christianity will always trump whatever cult version of it you have highjacked for personal wish list.

good as you are with semantics and wishful thinking,  even you can't stretch armstrong true recorded history into something different.

most people can't counter your meanderings.  i get that. 

 unfortunately you were right about people entrusting their beliefs to anothers description of what they think it is.

but me,  i am armed with history.   already recorded history.  all i need to do is repeat it,  then allow it to stand alone on it's on merit,  and anyone with a nuetral intellect can tell that recorded history stated "it" would visit it's creation,  and when "it" did,   humanity eyewitnessed THAT,  and recorded it.

now the question is....did recorded history really portend that,  and did people really watch it flesh itself out?

getting back to the people / opinion validation process,  i got to thinking a simple litmus test of DD being an "expert" in true history is easily sampled.

not that any of us are perfect,  and facts stand alone apart from the ability of a man to mirror them,  but one glaring fact about DD,  is that DD doesn't "mirror" what he portends is "true" at all.

look at the guys track record just in here.    the guys behavior descends so fast,  it speeds past his "belief" long before he can defend it.

one thing i noticed that's insulting to his supposed "Christian beliefs",  is his consistent verbage about what he has to say about women.

thinks their "open season",  sexually speaking.   talks about them as if there he suffers memory loss about what his beliefs say about sexual purity and mores from a biblical perspective.

when i look for validation of anything,  i don't look for perfection,  but i do look for consistentcy,  and DD consistently heads in the other direction of "consistentcy".

does that truth make DD's ramblings "untrue"?    not in and of itself,  no. 

but.........it does highlight the fact that you cannot trust a person for "truth",  if they cannot mirror a large portion of it themselves.

nope,  true history replicated truthfully was DD's undoing.

DD just made the obvious more......obvious

truecritic,

I forgot; the specs are available!

This is good.  All those taxpayers in Kentucky will at least be able to ensure that they get what they're paying for in terms of size.

What a load of crap. Go back and read the beginning and you'll see that I didn't know you from Adam, so there was no need to get mad at you. In any argument I've ever had with anyone, It always starts with a conversation which leads to an argument because of many reasons. Get with reality already. Wake up from that stupor you're in.

As far as the other crap you wrote, I laid down many question which you refused to answer and that's a fact. I even copied and pasted a long article regarding the many prophecies in the Bible that you calimed to have come true, which was turned out to be false, yet I never heard one peep from you.

I gave you so many different questions, simple questions, but you always used some excuse to WEASEL out of it.

YOU can't answer simple questions. Then when I got tired of asking them over and over and over and over and over and over, I left because I got tired of arguing with a brick wall, to which then you accused me of running away. You simply don't get it do you?

Why?......because you're clueless and so brainwashed that you refuse to even attempt to answer any of the questions...because you CAN'T.....

Now get over it....!

No, I don't believe in Satan or any of that crap.

I have many many reasons to why I'm an agnostic. Not because i can't see him or any of the other things you listed. And it's not just because of the 20,000 kids. I've listed many many simple questions that haven't been answered by anyone, because it's not answerable. I have a long laundry list of things I can point out, that no one can answer.

I neither have the time or patience to rewrite all that stuff. Do a search and you'll see endless pages I wrote regarding the many contradictions.

I don't claim to know for sure whether he exists or not. If i did claim I knew for sure, Id be just as guilty as the religous folks who claim they know for sure. And that's impossible. Period!...No one knows.

Thank you joker.

That's not a loaded statement either.

Just a simple thank you for being direct and to the point without sarcasm or insult.

   I'm sorry but that was just too funny, he converted from being an atheist to a religious man because he believes his 'mock' prayer was answered for his mom to win a million dollars?!

   I wonder who should be more bemused, atheists or religious fanatics........either way, it  is too darn funny for me to even read about it, heck, the headline itself gave me the giggles, poor kids in my tutoring class looked at me like I was a cow that jumped over the moon but missed it and landed on Mars instead!

  Life is what you make it, enjoy it, you only have one chance to do so.

at the risk of descending another thread into a rediculous back and forth,  are you that upside down in life that you have to resort to lying about what has transposed over time between us?

your lying to yourself and to the board if you portray that i "ran" from anything you served up.

that's a straight up lie.

i countered everything you ever manufactured,  and you are the one that michael jacksoned out the side door many times.

there are some people for which it is more difficult to defend against,  based on their intelligence and resourcefulness,  but don't flatter yourself joker,  because there will never come a day where you could serve up anything i would have to "run from".

i said in here before,  more times than i can count,  but if a person has to resort to lying in order the "maintain" their position in life......they don't have a position in the first place.

i ran from you ----->

I'd like to see all such tax incentives abolished so that all businesses compete on an equal footing, but if there are going to be such incentives it's not unreasonable to have the rules apply to all businesses. I don't believe in any of their stories, but insofar as it's a legitimate business it deserves the same breaks that are available to other businesses that  are expected to have a similar economic impact. Of course a theme park about Islam or Satanism should also get tax breaks in proportion to the expected economic impact and that vote should also be unanimous, but we know that's about as likely as winning the lottery. I don't see a real problem with the decision itself, but I'm skeptical about  the reasons behind the decision.

"I'd like to see all such tax incentives abolished so that all businesses compete on an equal footing, but if there are going to be such incentives it's not unreasonable to have the rules apply to all businesses."

I agree.

Assuming these tax incentives were determined by a full analysis of the economic impact of the project, including start-up AND ongoing long term effects, I wonder if Kentuckians have been apprised of it?  There will be engineering and construction jobs created at the outset, but eventually, theme parks end up with a maintenance crew and lots of part-time HS and college kids selling tickets and making hot dogs.  I hope the Finance Authority is at least requiring the principals to contract with Kentucky construction companies!

Before subsidizing a for profit business to the tune of $40 Million belonging to all the citizens of Kentucky, wouldn't it make sense to see an accounting up front, one that would show into whose hands this $40M will end up?   I'm sure the "...group of unidentified private investors..." putting up the other $132M for the project are happy! 

"Assuming these tax incentives" and "Before subsidizing a for profit business to the tune of $40 Million"

I'm adding "Jimmy doesn't know there's huge difference between a tax incentive and subsidizing a business" right below "Jimmy believes 50,000 pick-3 players will buy a $1 QP every night, win or lose for 54 years".

"I don't see a real problem with the decision itself, but I'm skeptical about  the reasons behind the decision."

"an estimated 600-700 full time jobs and a projected $250 million in its initial year." And I'll add this is an election year; you can't get reelected in a bible belt state by saying "no" to Noah's Ark.

"And the $40 Million in tax breaks will allow the Kentucky taxpayers to contribute too!" 

Heavens to Betsy, I hear they're going to put up a huge cross along the highway too!

Oh Goodness Gracious!

Don't worry Nancy, someday I'm sure they'll put up a "HELL" Theme Park so you can have equal time.

With a special section for Interior Decorators.

My-my. So much contention and strife over a news article, a story. Maybe it is a story, follow the money.

A well known unbeliever and one who is in his mother’s face about it, gets religion after his mother wins a
million. All of a sudden he wants to express his involvement in the ‘miracle’. Look who is getting the glory and is making the news. It sounds so sincere, so good, so heartwarming and all from a goat.  He should sell used cars or insurance. Is this not the most unbelievable testimony of an unbeliever's conversion?

I would not put it past him if his tongue-in-cheek conversion hopes to get a piece of the pie.

It will be interesting to see over the following year just how much conviction this man has for his new found faith.

Let’s watch the  news for the rest of the story. If he is as adamant about his unbelief as some are, it won't be long to see the fruit. After all, there are other unbelievers who will jump on the chance to run this through some mud trenches because they have much at stake. It will feed another smear campaign unbelievers love to get published to mock God.

I say he is a goat and will not put a penny in a coffer, let alone a tithe. "faith commeth by hearing,.. the Word of God". Lottery winnings are exempt.

DD

You saying there are politics involved with the theme park?

It will have to be a tour stop for Sarah Palin then.

 I’ll bet every one of my gold teeth on it.

Sorry Ridge, you don’t have enough teeth left to match the bet, even if they were gold capped.

And I thought stupid was only a state
of mind,...

DD

Hey rdgnr,

I think this is the 2nd time I've noticed you referring to me as "Nancy."  It's interesting, although not that surprising, that someone with that name shares enough of my views that you would mistake me for him/her.  Sorry, but I only know one Nancy, and she's in Ohio.

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There were questions about giving tax incentives to a religious based theme park but the company is not a religious organization or tax exempt. The ground breaking won't be until August and that's spring time in Alaska.

Ahh, Capitalism. One does not need to
have a tax exempt status the old fashioned way anymore. They just lobby for tax
breaks. A bad bribe for the people who will pay for it up the what’sit.

An outfit, that as it turns out was
from Texas, wanted to make Dick Cheney’s dream come true on the 1200 gas fired
power plants that never got built. The
plan was to have a natural gas liquefied
terminal in several locations on the Columbia River in western Oregon. There is
a natural reservoir in place, plumbed in and now supersized by Texican pipefighters.
  The LNG plant was not wanted and the outfit finally
gave up. They left some 100 million in unpaid debts for permits and media and
Etc. They went bankrupt almost immediately after finally understanding NO and
all the communities that gave the outfit credit for permits and services got
hung out to dry. BIGTIME. They are political suckers that got bribed. The USA does not
have the LNG tankers that fly our flag so by law, we cannot even get out own
gas, port to port. The gas would be from another country. Not exactly the energy
self sufficiency plan we were told to be on. The prop jobs have gearboxes that last five years at best. One field has already been sold, as-is.

I have seen numerous big outfits
promise the world with a picket fence around it to get such incentives and
every one is a state sponsored corporation of entitlement. 30 million from
Alaska to Canada for a pipeline that will not happen and they are locked into
paying more. Nuclear plants, Several steel plants, a bottle plant, CoGens, ethanol
plants where there is no corn for a thousand miles, etc. Somebody is getting
rich and the country is floundering in financial ruin, public and private.

Like a Gypsum board plant goes in a
no-nothing town and gets tax breaks while emergency services go belly up the
same year. No ambulances. The Fire department is merged with another city 25
miles away. No funding. What a deal. They
even get a provision to make more air pollution than what is allowed by other
long standing business who would get fined for the same emissions. And oh the
promises of the jobs! BS. They had the Jr. colleges teaching pre-application
courses (to get a job ap) and the jobs went to people from out of state and I do
not mean Washington across the river.

All across the nation there are such
stories of new hopeful businesses- new industry getting breaks and as soon as it can be
done they are bankrupt and given a special provision. There is big money
fleecing the right people and all that has to happen is,… it gets in financial trouble
and is bought by another party for pennies on the dollar. Wink-wink,
nudge-nudge. Ah, the virtues of greedy capitalism for the entitled; great gain is godliness.

Groundbreaking in August? I will bet all my teeth Palin will be there with a shovel and will speak of the virtues of
such an undertaking. I only hope she is in deep as an investor. Could there,..
is there a Wal-Mart nearby so Sarah can shop without dressing up in her PJ’s?

 She does not need votes, she needs investors. Who is better to fleece the congregations than one of their own? She is on a mission from god but nobody knows which one.

DD

uh, Stack,... it is springtime in Alaska NOW. It lasts a few days way up there.

Sarah Palin will be busy creating her own theme park based on the "Midnight ride of Paul Revere" with bell tower water slides. Every day at 1:00 PM they will reenact the famous historical moment when Revere rang one bell by land and two bells by sea.

It's so refreshing to have Sarah pointing out the errors in history.

Yeah, maybe she should build it next to Obama's Theme Park based on "all 57 states" that he says he visited before the last election.

It's also refreshing to have Barack pointing out errors in the history books.

Hi dallascowboyfan!

Love your post and I agree!

I know this story is written from the point of this young man but what if his mother had been praying to God that her son would change his ways of thinking?....

God makes it very clear that blessing fall on the just and the unjust (Matt 5:45) and He is Sovereign and His thoughts are not our thoughts nor are His ways our ways.....(Isaiah 55)

Which reminds me...someone mentioned why would God bless this situation when there are starving children?

God does care about starving children....

I feel that when you see those commercial of children suffering and you want to scream at God....just know that the fact that you are "watching" that commercial is God screaming at you to do something about it!!!!!

God has given us (human beings) the power and ability to fix it.....

If I can spend $1 on a lottery ticket for every drawing....I can come up with $38 bucks a month to send to my sponsor child in Ethiopia so that she can have 3 meals a day and her village can have medicine to fight HIV.

(I am not saying that everyone reading this should do that...just trying to make a point that God has done His part by giving us life....we can do our part to make it better...esp for someone else).

Starving children is not the result of a distant God....IT IS NOT HIS FAULT....It is the result of humanity's corruption, greed and lack of compassion......and you don't have to wait to win the lottery to make a difference.

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts neither are your ways My ways said the Lord.  As the heavens are higher than the earth so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:7-9)

Well said, Perfecttiming2.

Okay Ridge, I get your point, we need someone who makes more gaffs than Obama. The Palin gaff calendar list has enough material for two years and Obama’s is good for maybe a week. We need another VP to flip off congress and a President who will do it to an audience and visual media. I sure miss W and Dick, but the effect still lingers. I am all for the republicans running this country bankrupt so it can be ‘reorganized’ by the Crown. Heck, I
am starting to understand GHWB’s New World order. Bring it on! Who's story will history be?

It is so sad you desire political perfection with imbalanced observations, but it is in the works. Next year we get the G8 and in 2013, Who-hoo! England! Homecoming!

Palin is a grifter and a tease, I only wish she was still a Democrat so you could see the light. As long as she
can, she will promote her divine influence (self inflicted) while spending donated money on politicians of her choice. It is divine right. Let her do the voting. What is wrong with Church and State? Is that not your new State motto?

Just give your money to her and let it ride.  Spend a little more time in the garden. You can have a Yamaka when you get to the Creation Abomination Park grand opening (it is like a Mickey Mouse hat without the ears). Tawd Palin has already modeled one. Then you can see how they cram some several billion years of  history into the last 6,000 years while disregarding Genesis 1:2 and the fact that the book speaks of three distinct earths. We are in #2. #1 is the asteroid belt. Who was the planet killer that made earth without form and void? Why replenish if it did not need it? ....And I thought Alaska was a stupid state running in a heat with Arizona and Texas.

DD

Do you know why  oranges will not be found here at the park? A: for fear of the juice.

Know why nobody played cards to pass the time on Noah's Ark? A: Noah sat on the deck.

What stretches more, flesh or rubber? A: flesh; Baalam tied his ass to a tree and walked up the mountain.

What did Jesus say on the cross to lighten the mood? Hey! I can see my house from here!

These bad jokes and more await you at the museum of biblical fantasy in Tennisee  Kentucky

DD,  when ridge made that comment asking if you were still waiting for the "spaceship" trailing the hale bopp comment to come pick up the stragglers,  he should have created a poll about it based around you.

just for kicks and giggles

btw,  are you ever going to reveal the cult you belong to,  or do "they" tell you in your bylaws to keep that on the DL ?

I am in the Get a New God cult, freak. Jesus Christ is the leader.

DD

Oh, ok, so let me get this straight. He knows full well that 20,000 kids are going to die everyday, yet he continues to allow another 20,000 kids to be born, which in turn will die an untimely and horrible death?    That's about 8 million every year for how many decades and decades?

 GOD says: Ok kids...come on...get ready to go today. I know you're going to croak a miserable death in a few short years but it's part of my plan. I know you'll suffer in the heat and disease filled communities filled with filth and strife up until your final day, but that too is part of my magnificent plan......It's not my fault you have leaders that are corrupt and greedy for power, not my problem, you'll have to go anyways cause I said so...

You folks need serious help.

That's just silly.  It's the same false argument used by newbie atheists all the time.  "God lets ____ happen, so how can there be a God."

I got news for you Joker:  there is no good without evil.  How would there be good if evil did not exist?  Use more sophisticated debate points if you want to have a worthy discussion about religion.

God does not "let" things happen.  The world, the universe, mankind, and everything else is not perfect.  Only God is.  If a certain number of kids die, and that number is more than you think it should be, then maybe you should realize that the world we all live in is not perfect -- not paradise.  Paradise vanished a long time ago.

"...there is no good without evil."

Of course, this is a semantic game.

"God does not "let" things happen."

"...etc..."

You make these statements as though they were self evident.

How do you know them to be true?

Try to define the concepts of "good" and "evil" in the absence of sentient life, as though you were god yourself in a universe in which you had not yet created any.  And you can't cheat and use the words good, evil or their synonyms in your definitions!

visiondude makes a prediction in the other thread,  and wouldn't you know it only took 3 days for it to come to pass.

i told you these guys aren't interested in debating universal truths,  they are only trolling around looking to start garbage, and both of them suffer from runamokitis,  better know in the pshyche world as lack of self control.

i just think it's hysterical now that joker opened his mouth (again),   that his supposed slam dunk "undeniable truth" allows 20,000 children to die everyday.

 it's not "gods" fault,   it's your "undeniable truths" fault.......since it's so "undeniable" above all others.

that's the addition in here you made, so now you have to live with it that your "undeniable truth" is THE cause and effect.

you just inadvertantly threw your alien buddies under the cosmic bus.    better hope that "probe" thing isn't true.

joker inSINuated that his "undeniable truth" trumped a hit parade of the worlds religions in the validity arena,  so now evidently it becomes awefully suspect that those alien fellers can't do squat about the inequities of their own "world",  or ours.

things i would like to observe before i am swayed jokers way...

lets see the alien fellers hand deliver their magna carta to joker,  then...

they can zoom over to the guys challenge desk,  pick up the $1000 check,  take a pic of it with their far advanced photo imaging thingy majiggy,  and then joker can post a pic of it right here.

or,  joker (and the "aliens")  can skip all that superlative hula baloney and save all those 20,000 children a day themselves.

shoot,  i think if it is "undeniable",  all of us would be impressed if they can save 5,000 a day.

personally,  i don't demand much,  100 a day is good by me

i just lowered the bar.  why?   cuz i am a nice guy,  and "fair enough" to demonstrate someones true agenda

surf the net for titanium underwear joker.   you are going to need it

Ugh, J.V. arguments.  Do a little reading.

I'm not an Atheist, I'm an Agnostic.

I've got a ton of debate points that eclipse this issue about the kids. I'm only responding to what others are pointing out about this issue. You still didn't answer the dilemma about letting kids be born by God, knowing they're doomed. Talk about craziness.

You want a good one, I'll give it. The majority of Christians believe the Universe is only about 6 to 10 thousand years old. How can that be If there are galaxies billions of light years away. it took light that long to get here.

There's a lot more, but I feel it's futile because you and others will always provide some obscure answer that you're comfortable with. No one likes to deal with the tough questions, but wants to live in la la land believing everything they read in some book.

Why don't you respond to the list of the hundreds of religions I posted in the topic that is closed now.

Please respond to the post I made about plagiarism pertaining to the Bible. The videos I posted do a better job of explaining it. Did you even bother to watch them?

You say God does not let things happen, well there's a ton of problems with that statement. if he does exist, he's the one that set up that scenario in the first place. If he's all knowing and ominpotent, Alpha and Omega he would've known that there was a good chance that Eve would eat the apple, thus ruining everything for mankind, which in itself is a rediculous story to begin with, but for arguments sake, he allowed this to happen which started a chain reaction.

I'm sorry, there are way too many paradoxes in religions that make no sense whatsoever. You can try to make sense of those paradoxes all you want but I've already spent years trying to find a way around them and it's futile.

If you want, I can spend hours writing ALL of the things that make no sense, but It's no use. People will do what they want despite mu efforts, so it's a waste of time for me.

If this is true, those terms should have been simple for you to define.

Maybe Joey can help...

your not debating stitch.   people that debate are people with an ambivlaent angle who desire to learn.

you just follow people around and throw up nasty garbage against a wall,  just because you have a chip on your shoulder about this arena of life.

look at your last post,   that comes from an angle of debate?

it was a sarcastic swipe,  and all you are good for when it comes to these intersections.

"The videos I posted do a better job of explaining it".

 you mean the ones that demonstrate "they" can't save 20,000 children everyday,  or even score a measly $1000 check?

that's "undeniable proof" alright ....lol

"Why don't you respond to the list of the hundreds of religions I posted in the topic that is closed now".

  i did,  right in this thread. 

your a little on the forgetful side,  probably because you being so incensed and all about this subject matter, you purposefully skip right over things that are 180 degree's opposite of your alledged "undeniable truth".

what i stated about the "list" was what you insinuated,  that they (the list) were all "wrong",  because there were hundreds of them,  so how could anyone know?        fair question,  until....

you opened your mouth and claimed you had the fast track to the ultimate truth,   claiming your alien videos contained "undeniable truths" that superceded all intelligence and world religions.

you are the one that's now claiming to know the one true answer to all of this.

what's the matter,  can't live up to your claims joker once someone applies the addition / subtraction magnifying glass of universal truth ?

you throw garbage at everyone else,  but can't handle your own in house trash compactor

funny thing is,   your "undenaible truths" couldn't stand shoulder to shoulder with a list you posted,  because "they" couldn't even collect a paltry $1000.

to ad insult to your already injurious position,  i also noted correctly that your 'aliens' can't keep 20,000 children from dying.

'they" should be able to,   because according to you,  it's "undeniably true"  that aliens ARE the answer.

your right,  it makes no sense for you to bomb the thread with your "concerns".

let's just skip all the pleasantries,  get right down to the biznatch for efficientcy purposes,  and you can explain "why" if the aliens ARE the truth,  why they are UNABLE to score you a $1000 check,   and why they can't even save 100 people around the world from starvation?

you complain about religions,  but it's ok that you can't answer your own affliations claims.

your the person you complain the most about.

i told the board you couldn't help yourself,  and now,  thanks to you,  they are INCENSED that aliens can't keep 20,000 children from starving everyday.

you just set alien "believability" back about 500 years.

at least elvis gave money to poor families to keep them from starving,  by giving them $1000 checks

kick rocks in your own rock pile.  you are way out of your league in here

rock - paper -scissors,  and my "$1000 bill" just covered your "rock"...

You need to learn respect, Nancy.

You make great points. Much more eloquently done compared with my raw version...lol

You're exactly correct, proclaiming things as truth, which I've been ranting all along, is the crux of this whole dilemma.

I try to evaluate life with an open mind. I used to be somewhat leaning towards Christianity many years ago. But then a light went on and I started an investigation.

Funny how this God gave us brains to think, analyze, scrutinize, invent, argue, discuss, evaluate, problem solve life's dilemmas, yet when it comes to the many religions to choose from, and which one of the many can give us some insight, not one human has the right to question it. Everything else in life is put thru the ringer except for Religion...WHY?

What a paradox that is.....!

If there is a God, I would hope he would congratulate me when I meet him. He'd pat my head and tell me I passsed the test. The test of common sense.

God: You are in my everlasting presence because you earned it. Despite the multitudes claiming they knew who I was, you figured it out all by your own common sense. You chose to be spiritual and tune in with the Universal intelligence, whatever that may be. Good job my son.

i like the end of your ramble joker,  where you are having a "conversation" with someone you can't name,  you have no idea who they are,  or what their about....... aside from the wishes you wish they were., you pretend to think you will have something in common with someone with whom you have no idea who they are.

that's like getting a cab fair,  going to the address you "think" you should for that fair,  but it's a competitors garage

"universal (i don't know what) intelligence" yeah,  that makes a whole lot of 'common sense'

if you "earned it",  then what's the bar for everyone else so when they will also know when they crossed the "just enough line"?

if you can do it,  so can others,  but the "bar" has to be equal for everyone,  ortherwise it's only subjective to the person,  and not to the qualifying standard you are claiming it is ("common sense")

how much common sense?   the aliens can't score you a $1000 check "common sense",  or you have a ways to go ?

plus, you can't even define "universal intelligence"  yourself, and how one standard is applicable to every human being equally thruought all of history. 

   i know what i need to do now,  i need to turn the tables around and BOMB YOU in your own blogs.     

you know,  take you to the cleaners in your blogs night and day when you post something i don't agree with,  just to be a pest and wreak havoc.

can you imagine me reminding you day and night about the fact that your aliens can't collect $1000 or save 20,000 children a day?

that's what your heinous does in here. 

let me pray about it,  and i will get back to you

@Joker:  When you say, "I'm not an Atheist, I'm an Agnostic," you might as well call yourself atheist.  God won't see a distinction when the day comes.

There may be a god out there that sees the difference. Maybe the type of god that gives out a brain with doubt and free will. There is a chance.

"You feeling lucky today punk?" - Dirty Harry

Religion and lottery - amazing how many similarities.

Are you saying you don't like the lottery?  You're all over the map.

Don't worry, you don't need to defend Joker.  He will undoubtedly post another 10 paragraph reason why I'm wrong.

And you know that for sure?

Have no idea how you inferred I do not like the lottery.

All over the map? No, just more open minded than most. I see as many possibilities as there are combinations in a 6/49 game.

I defend no one, including Joker.

Todd, you work in mysterious ways. You close the "praying for a lottery win" thread but add "fuel to the fire" in this thread. Go figure!

Whose God ?

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My God that's right ....MY God....., and If you don't assimilate, you're doomed for eternity. And If you don't like it, too bad! See how reasonable that sounds?

How dare you question REALITY?

What do you mean by "Whose God" ?

Isn't it obvious?

It says so in this book, so it must mean it's true.....DUH!

get with the program jimmmy4164...

Wow, you still wanna call the shots, don'tcha?

Joker's drunk right now so I'll cut him some slack for talking his nonsense but I'd love to introduce you and Nancy to a Tennessee smackdown someday, you disrespectful little punk.

I think it's healthy for children to learn the truth about Santa Claus as soon as they can understand it.  I also think that learning how to calculate the Expected Value of a lottery ticket is a valuable skill.  However, most cultures have evolved some explanation for existence that many people adopt as their world view and rely on for comfort, and often use as a reason to continue living.  For this reason, I get uneasy in public forums such as this when I realize that if I'm successful in exposing inconsistencies or fallacies in a belief system, I could cause someone to lose some of their stability through doubt.  For this reason, I prefer to point people to books or articles when they appear to have an interest in exploring other explanations for the world they see around them.

There is a wealth of information for those interested at...

http://www.americanhumanist.org/Who_We_Are/About_Humanism

By the way, if you look around at this site, you will discover that there really is a difference between a deist and an atheist, and that not all humanists are atheists.

Could you please explain these "respect" admonitions to Mario and "Nancy?"

Who is being disrespected?

That's funny jimmy. You are looking for logic in all the wrong places.

I won't be baited by you Nancy, you sniveling little effeminate twit.

You're here to preach and troll and your partner, mario the midget, is just here to cause strife cuz he got called out on his pool scam before he could fool anybody and now he's mad at the world and wants to get even.

You're both an easy read, now run along.

I knooowww!  But up to this point I haven't been able to find a rehab center that can help me. 

Well, that's a new one.  Someone makes accusations of disrespect but when they're asked who is being disrespected, they somehow feel baited.  Hmmm.  Mario is right; this really isn't a place to look for logic.

BTW, is your 1st sentence above designed to elicit anger, fear, loathing, hurt feelings, or a combination of all of these?

The first sentence wasn't designed to elicit anything, Nancy. Just consider it an illustrative salutation. And if the shoe fits... well, you know...

You disrespect anybody who disagrees with you so there's no need to go into specifics.

I bet you never do it man to man, face to face though. The little clown mario either.

BTW, why don't you two get a room?

Like your new avatar, Nancy.

Is that you in drag?

when jimmy asked "whose God"?   to todd,  and you decided to ride his skirt, ,  is there a reason why you didn't belly up to the bar and answer ....."why my undeniable truth in my blogs,  that's who"?

you sure have minimized yourself down from "undeniable" to "stage fright".

since you insist on running around the hall with your intellectual schizophrenia for the night,  you should have answered like this ...

......that guy that is running the $1000 challenge on his website,  the person in history that he features as a challenge to,  until someone steps up and takes the $1000,  that guy is the leader in the "who is god" lottery sweepstakes.

i still think it's funny that a guy like you (that is never short of windage),  when he gets his cage rattled by someone that can actually counter your offerings,  you always come back with a counter to the counter, and yet you said squat.

you were silent,  once i made the notation that your "aliens" haven't alleviated any part of this worlds suffering,  including your '20,000 children a day'  concern.

instead of addressing a bold claim that you made......you run the other direction

 now thats what i call "undeniable"

remember,  people with an intolerable amount of intellect far above yours still can't take that $1000 away from that guy.

and that makes Jesus Christ (as of now)  the king above all kings.

'logical"  means you do comparison shopping,  but you pick the one that rises to the top,  not the one that fills your "wish list" of what you would like God to be.

that's the farthest thing from logic

that's actually how people pick thier 'god' ......"i like this,  i don't like that.  ok,  now THAT'S a god i can live with,  i'll pick him" 

truth is, God is who He revealed Himself to be thru consistentcy and power throughout all of history.

  you pick Him based solely on who He said He is,  and adjust to that,  whether or not you intially like all 'aspects' of what you think are inequities about him.

the "20,000 children a day" is good example of a perceived initial 'inequity',  but over time thru trust, God reveals the "why's" of His decision making,  and issues that you had prior are not issues you cannot handle intellectually any longer.

they become more clear

the idea that any person in history can manufacture their own version of God,  die,  and then face whoever it is that is God,  and demand that they be square with Him...... is out of their mind 

only people abherrant TO standards at all cost,  have an aversion to standards,  at all costs. 

people that employ seeking type wisdom accept the fact of inevitable standards,  and they are willing to adjust when they are able to  recognize something attributable,  and therein lies the only description of a person that finds the "god' that rises to the top.

everyone else stumbles over their supposed reasoning on the way to excusing away "standards".

joker cries "foul" because there are standards for an eternal address.  as there should be.

joker however does not advocate a world with no standards,  where someone can break in his house and steal his guitar and beer,  and not go to jail.

joker would be  PISSED if someone did that.      but hey,  "standards are unfair", right?

whoever God is,  one things for certain,  He will have standards,  and your standing with Him will be based on your adjustment to them

You hit the nail on the head..perfecttiming.....Amen.......Everyone wants to blame God when things go bad or the way things are going in this world but don't see the bigger picture he painted...from all these comments..I haven't really seen any that just talk about how good God is and the good things God has done in people's life...it's always...why did God do this and that  all negativilty about him not anything postive has been said about him...I have had good and bad things happen in my life...but I have accepted it cause it is God's plan...he has a plan for all of us...if he put you in it he will bring you through it...and I have learned to accept this life and all that it has in store for me being bad or good...cause I have a strong faith in my God....and Savior......Amen....

Like Jimmy said earlier, wich God are you talking about?

There are thousands to choose from.

the idea that any person in history can manufacture their own version of God,  die,  and then face whoever it is that is God,  and demand that they be square with Him...... is out of their mind

Excuse me? Did you just tell me I'm out of my mind?

OMG, that has to be a joke right?

Ok, so let me get this straight. You're not out of your mind because you decide to believe a book out of thousands of other books who all claim to be correct, but that's normal?

YOU are the one who is manufacturing that nonsense, not me.

What nerve, to call me crazy, coming from a delusional character like you..............

Please Vision....get some help...please.

If I was sober I would've witten what I did.

There are no absolutes in this life, except for death. No one and I mean no one knows for sure whether any of the religions are true. Good feelings in their chest and a tingling up the spine is not good enough for me.

People think they know how God feels and what he's thinking, how he would deal with this and that. It's amazing how they know so much about him....simply amazing.

Brilliant minds have been debating this for eons, yet Joe Schmo from Nantucket knows the answer. He knows who the right God is, how he behaves, what his intentions are, and his favorite drink.

It's like If I said I knew for sure what the next six numbers are in the JP game, and never be able to prove it. I not only make that proclomation once, but everyday of my life, never being able to prove it. I think there's a word for that. It's called DELUSIONAL....

"There are no absolutes in this life, except for death. No one and I mean no one knows for sure whether any of the religions are true".

 there most certainly are.

just because you don't want to know,  doesn't exclude the fact that millions of people know.

if there is a God,  He has standards,  and the only way He could have standards is that we are accountable to those standards,  if He has made Himself known.

the idea that God "cannot be known' is a 1,000 times more ludicrous if there is a God.

millions of people know,   your just mad about the 'standards' portion because you want to make up your own rules and live by those.

at least be man enough to admit it,  you have a problem with authority,  and you want to be your own 'god'.

that's fine,  just add yourself to that long list you posted

"Excuse me? Did you just tell me I'm out of my mind"? 

by running definition you are out of your mind, yes.

you think you can mock God day in and day out,  and still think that someday when you die you will be 'accepted' by him.

you talk trash about someone,  and your delusional enough to think the person is going to be cool with you.   there isn't a relationship on the planet that survives that kind of onslaught over time,  and most certainly God won't accept that as "relationship material".

"Ok, so let me get this straight. You're not out of your mind because you decide to believe a book out of thousands of other books who all claim to be correct, but that's normal"?

 i can afford to bank my live (including my eternity) on that "book".   it's not just A book out of history measured among others,  it's the written word of God handed down thru the experiences of men that served Him.   

in normal to trust something that's proven to be trustworthy,  and because you can measure the trustworthy factor thru the microscope of fulfilled prophecy,  then yes,  it stands alone  in history above all the other "books"

100% accurcy SCREAMS "trustworthy"

"YOU are the one who is manufacturing that nonsense, not me".

 au contraire. 

you made the same EXACT bold claim as i did with your alien vids.

you said it was "undeniable proof",  and yet you are now deftly silent on the matter.

you accuse me of nonsense,  yet between the 2 of us there is ZERO 'proof" of alien existence thru out history,  yet when measured against biblical history on any level (science, archaeology, historical documentation of people who actually LIVED, fulfilled prophecy, documentation OF the documentation "documented" by people who were antagonistic toward the bibles "history", etc, etc etc),  and yet you think i am the one that's nuts.

i demonstrated that between the 2 of us you had nothing to base your belief on,  when i noted your 'aliens" can't save the 20,000 children starving in the world .

i base my belief in proven history,  so yeah,  the delusion belongs as your definition

"No one and I mean no one knows for sure..."

And how do you know that?

You don't know that any more than Joe Schmo from Nantucket.

Let me tell you something, Joker, there are people who know.

People that have had experiences that they have never discussed with anyone and never will. Because once you've had the experience you would never trivialize it by putting it up for public scrutiny as if it needed to be verified or validated by people who could never even fathom the wonder and awe of it. Because there are people like you and Nancy and the little clown mario who appoint themselves the authorities on anything supernatural based purely on your personal experience of it. Which is none.

If the three of you haven't personally experienced anything of a divine supernatural nature, then it just couldn't happen. Your minds are closed to it. How conceited is that? 

I think the crux of the situation here though is the preaching bent of your little triumvirate with the atheist/agnostic/humanist agenda. You mock the phony tv preachers but you seem to be on a mission to convert people to your way of thinking more than any phony evangelist ever known. Christians here have to spend time everyday defending their beliefs because of attacks and ridicule from the three of you for something as benign as saying "thank God".

How about we all just live and let live?

You guys keep watching the sky for spacemen and everybody else does whatever they want without being harassed.

Or would that suggestion be too delusional to try?

Spiritual laws never change, regardless of what "in the name of" you put them with.

I don't know about that one Tenaj. The Bible has a very thin spectrum for folks who enter heaven and those who don't based on rules and regulations. If you don't believe Christ was your savior, you're doomed.

I don't adhere to any of the rules because there are literally thousands of religions that also have rules. They can't all be correct.

I'm spiritual but not brainwashed.

They've done tests where the person's brain was exposed while the patient was a wake and they touched certain areas of the brain. The person had many visions and felt a presence at times. Many had religous experiences as well.

No One knows. Those experiences could be from any number of sources. The brain is a powerful machine that can do many many things. If not for the brain, everything would be nothing but a soup of nonsensical particles and waves. It's the brain which makes this world a reality, and I say reality very lightly. Reality is as good as the perceiver of the information. And even If they did have a supernatural experience that had nothing to do with the brain, it doesn't mean one particular religion is correct. It may very well be a spiritual experience, but doesn't prove who's God is correct and who's isn't.

I'm not trying to convert anyone here. I'm simply showing alternative thought processes other than ones that have been implanted into religous folks minds as the TRUTH. Everyone has truths. You call it attacks, I call it education.

I could live and let live, but If someone has the freedom to interject their religous beliefs in a thread as truth, I also have that right to disagree.

Now that doesn't seem delusional does it?

i can afford to bank my live (including my eternity) on that "book".   it's not just A book out of history measured among others,  it's the written word of God handed down thru the experiences of men that served Him.

Now you know why I try to not to respond to your posts as much as possible. You write as If you know for sure. Anyone who truly believes they are right, and all the others are wrong, and has no proof to back it up, is delusional.

I can't have a discussion when the term "Open Mind" is out of the question.

One thing I do know for sure is that you are past the point of no return.

I concur that you have the right to disagree.

I just think it's incredibly poor form to attack someone for saying "I prayed for a win" or "thank God I won". Those people aren't trying to proselytise or convert you or anyone else to their beliefs. They're just expressing their beliefs in conversation.

"I'm not trying to convert anyone here. I'm simply showing alternative thought processes...  ...I call it education."

Do you hear yourself?  Somebody says "Thank God" and you feel the need to show them "alternative thought processes"? To "educate" them? How does somebody saying "Thank God" become "interjecting their religious beliefs in a thread as truth"?  Who's exhibiting signs of being delusional here? 

Is this the Lottery Post or a re-education camp?

P.S. Check out your buddy Nancy's new avatar.  I told him to run along and he took a walk on the wild side!  I knew it!  LOL

I've never attacked anyone for saying thank God. In one instance, when that LP member thanked God for her wins, I responded to another poster in that thread who said something to the fact that it was intervention or something like that, I forget. I responded simply by saying are you sure it was? It was a simple question. It could easily have been a plain old simple win. There were child molesters who've won millions. Did God intervene then also?....

In this thread, the person who's mother won a million because of his mock prayer, and is now a believer, made me want to comment about it. It's a thread. A thread is comprised of disucussions. Do I have to agree with everything people say in order to be part of the discussion?

You call it attack, I call it education. You can take it away knowing you now know something you never knew before, or you can say heck with Joker17's BS, I'll believe what I want to.

How do you there aren't some people who read all that stuff about how God did this and that for them, and angels saved him from getting hit by a car and so forth, and NOT get offended? I'm NOT one of those folks, but I'm sure there are some that don't speak their mind about it in public forums due to ridicule.Being offended works both ways....

Do you actually believe that Vision would not take advantage of the opportunity to come a knocking in a thread If i mentioned that THOR contributed to this and that. Believe me he and other Bible thumpers here would jump on that chance.

I think it's interesting how rdgrnr seems to know the size and demeanor of so many anonymous posters.  If I were looking for him at a "smackdown" I wouldn't know whether to expect a Pee-Wee Herman or a Dirty Harry.  Maybe he has some special powers that he hasn't told us about.

Some Reasons Why Humanists Reject The Bible

You want to argue about religion. You want to argue about faith and belief and all related tradition. You want to tell people what not to believe because you don't believe what they believe. You want them to believe what you believe about little green men or whatever it is.

I consider what people believe to be their own business.

I don't want to argue about anything.

But when some lady posts about how happy she is cuz she prayed to the saints and won $600.00 and now she can pay the rent and you ridicule her for it and your puppy dog mario joins in to kick her while she's down and then Nancy piles on, well, I will say something about it.

So I guess that's how it'll remain cuz you have appointed yourself the Religious Educator here and that's your right, as you say.

Or should I say the Religious Police?

PS. How do you know the saints didn't help her win the $600.00?

Because it's never happened to you? Because it's not logical? Because they would have to save 20,000 dying kids first?

Are those the standards that you have established that have to be met in order for that to be truth? 

Or just because you said so?

because my beliefs are strong,  and anchored into the cement of accurately replicated history,  i too could search for all the opportunities i could find to spray the threads with my "beliefs".

i don't.

and the reason i don't sure has nothing to do with having a comittment issue,  but because i employ respect.

LP is a place where a guy like me could have more "opportunities" than i could possibly fulfill.

i don't.

it's an ingenuous ploy by joker to pass off what he does as "opinion" or "education".

no one has the ability to threaten intellectually what i believe,  so why would i try and suppress freedom of opinion / speech?

i don't

i don't search it out, but when someone wipes their feet on my welcome mat and rings my doorbell,  i answer the door.

told joker more times than i have fingers and toes he has every right to an opposing opinion in these threads,  so long as he acts respectful,  and that dude crosses that intersection willfully without conscience.

he hunts,   and then he jumps. 

  a sarcastic disrespectful "reply" doesn't come with a nice guy tag.

it's behavior of a trolling trouble maker,  and nothing more.

joker is upside down about this in his life,  and takes his angst out on LP boards.

when it gets to that level,  then i will step in.

be respectful about others beliefs,  but if you insist on being disrespectful specifically to what i and a whole bunch of others believe in here,  then you know me,  i am going to take you to the intellectual cleaners to demonstrate your true intent......that you are a trolling trouble maker that can't handle what you dish out.

i have far more in the bag on debating these issues in life,  joker,  and you sure have provided me with enough "reason" to play the same game with you in your blogs.

do you see me there ?

that's how a person of respect acts.

cut the act your in here to "edumacate"

your in it to cause trouble

Don't get all frazzled and go into another nervous-nellie fluster-fit now and start changing your avatar and hairstyles again and all like that, Nancy. Next thing you know you'll be flailing all about and break a nail.

Try to stay calm. Go to your Happy Place (and I don't mean the Men's Room at the Greyhound Station).

There is no need for you to worry your delicate little self about smackdowns or the size or demeanor of other posters Nancy, we're all friends here.

And I have no special powers outside of occasionally being able to smell a charlatan from a mile away.

Why is it when I write what I feel it's an argument? When you write your beliefs, it's just a statement.

If you go back and read that thread, I never told her anything except congrats on your win. Like I said before, I replied to another poster in that thread with a question, and then you and Vision come out of the woodwork and accuse me of attcking Christianity. Let me tell you buddy, I have the right to say anything I want to, and If you or anyone else feels bad, too bad because I have that right. Like I said before, either side can be offended.

And yes, it makes no sense to me that a Saint is going to help someone in need, when Saints don't give 2 hoots about 20,000 starving, hurting kids that croak every single DAY !

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally happy that she won that money because she obviously sounded like she needed it. You make me sound like some heartless <snip>. I'm only saying that because to me, it makes no sense considering the priorities of the Saints, God, angels, or whatever entity is out there choosing one or two people to win money, or a football team to win over 20,000 kids.

OK, I get it, nothing can be true unless it fits within the narrow parameters designated by You.

And anything else anybody else believes is automatically wrong.

Why?

Because you said so.

I finally understand you.

"Anyone who truly believes they are right, and all the others are wrong, and has no proof to back it up, is delusional".

 fair enough face-value arguement,  except i do......both historical and personal.

since "history" came first,   you get the historical version first.

since it's already a document of history,  anyone has access to it in it's most original form,  so you can read texts yourself and decide AMBIVALENTLY if it is ambiguous,  or accurately personal in prophetic nature.

it is calculated that Jesus Christ fulfilled 300 (+/-) prophecies made about Him hundreds of years before He was ever born.

that's "proof".

take away the ones that are self fulfilling,  or are ambiguous enough so that they appear to be assignable to "anyone", fine.

just include the prophecies that are recognizable by the people who wrote them who are completely 100% antagonistic TO Christ,  and still that amount of prophecies being fulfilled by one man in history spoken HUNDREDS of years before His birth,  it's a mathematical impossiibility for any other human being to parallel that feat.

"antagonistic" is your key word,  and you know someone antagonistic to something is not going to lie about something so what they are antagonistic about can GAIN credibility.

no other "god" or "religion" can match that feat or claim,  thereby eliminating all other "pretenders".

that's just the factual / historical side that points to a relationship with the only "god" that can actually answer man.

the part that leads to a relationship,  facts before faith,  that's were the addendum "proof" comes in .

you want hard "personal" facts.   fine.

been a believer after Christ showed Himself to me over 30 years ago.

over the course of that time,  i have made a concerted effort to attempt to walk where He tells me to walk.  i have zero problem with His authority over my life,  and that's why i have been granted a personal relationship.

within the confines of that relationship,  He has a plan for my life,  and whenever He decides it's necessary to tell me what that is,  and begins to filter out enough info so that i have the ability TO adjust to it,  and then He does.

not a gazillion times,  but the times where i needed to know for adjutments purposes,  i have always known beforehand.

before He has done something thru my life,  i have known it would happen well prior to it's fruition.

i am not 'priviledged' above anyone else,  as anyone else has the same equal opportunity as i do "to know" prior.

like anything else,  effort equals result. 

you don't want to know, and make no effort, you only end up mocking those who do know out of personal frustration.

the last particular "i know before it happens" started somewhere in aug 2008.

after a period of time (because my heart is always primed and "looking"),  i recognized God was doing something to get my attention about a particular subject matter.  yet,  i know the value of patience and making sure,  before i pursue something,  so i don't waste my time (and especially His).

just prior to aug,  i noticed that everywhere i went,  on everyday,  there would always be something that came my way concerning "france, french or paris".   everyday i started to notice it occuring beyond my manipulation / control.

so....i adjusted to it,  by agreeing that whatever that amounted to,  i would adjust to it whenever He told me what He was doing it for.

the key is my willingness to adjust while not knowing what He was preparing me for,  or going to ask me to do.

i am willing period,  and that's why i CAN be entrusted to know beforehand.

fast forward to this very conversation,  and there has never been one day since aug of 2008 where God has "failed" to bring something and put it in front of me concerning "france"

not one day

it's as obscure as watching tv and turning the channel and for a split second between channels, and there is a momentary flash of the eiffel tower,  an image i would have missed had i not been there at that split second by devine appt. 

or someone in a market starts speaking french around me,  or my student completely out of the blue who i have never met before, and who has no idea about my "france" proclivity.....suddenly blurts out they just got back from paris on spring break.

you could scream 'coincedence' ,  and you would be right..... if i can manufacture episodes myself, or it hasn't happened to me consequitively everyday without missing one day.

that is an impossibility without God orchaestrating it behind the scenes of my life.

nearly 3 years everyday.

go ahead,  try a self governed experiment to prove to yourself  that's not from God.

pick a subject matter that you like.   maybe even something your keenly aware of.   go ahead and pick the most common thing you can think of,  and see how many "days" you go in a row with that occuring.

it has to occur without you looking for it,  or occuring because you manufactured an event to "make it happen"

it has to occur without your manipulation.

you cannot go "searching places TO find it",  it has to occur outside of your effort just in the daily course of your life.

you would be off the scale if 'it" happened for  a week.

mine is going uncontested for nearly 3 years.

that's what grants me the right to speak with boldness when i state "i know".

the only reason i know,  is because i wanted to know,  not because all my efforts toward this subject where spent because i only wanted it to "not be true",   so i didn't have to place my self under the authoratative umbrella that God alone holds up.

don't believe me?   fine. 

i PMed todd about my "occurances" way back in july of 2009.

nothing has changed since that PM to todd.   ask him if i discussed it with him.

i still have the PM.    you asked me for "proof" God exists,  you want to see it?

you won't even be man enough to ask todd if that's true,  because you are afraid it's true

ASK HIM

of course you Won't,  because your not interested in any proof,  because no amount of proof is enough to a man for whom thier soul mission in life is to excuse away God,  and not to observe "proof" as it unfolds.

go into the mathematical forum and have someone calculate the odds of one subject matter occuring unmanipulatively in one mans life for nearly 3 years straight.

there is no 'god",  and no one really knows,  right?

now,   you are free to demonstrate it's not proof you seek,  BECAUSE YOU WON'T PUBLICALLY ASK TODD