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rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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I only started to call you hillbilly because you started with the Iran stuff.

You won't afford me the privilege....really.....Ok, let's see what happens...........HILLBILLY !

Hitting me would be the last thing you ever did. I don't fight clean homey !

"I don't fight clean homey!"

 

You don't have to explain about the "clean" thing.

You don't have to explain at all.

I've been in stinkmobile cabs before.

We all have.

But you like the smell. 

Cuz it's coming off of you.


                                             
                     
                                         

 

 

 

 

                                                                                                   

"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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    "I don't fight clean homey!"

     

    You don't have to explain about the "clean" thing.

    You don't have to explain at all.

    I've been in stinkmobile cabs before.

    We all have.

    But you like the smell. 

    Cuz it's coming off of you.

    Sorry, but yet another failed attempt at whatever that is. I take a shower everyday, and sometimes twice a day in the summer time.

    It's amazing how you think you know so much about me, yet I defintely know so much more about you.  You believe in fairytales. That tells me a lot.

     

    But Ridge knows which one is the correct one. How?....well because he's much more intelligent than the rest of us.

    Maybe because it has top billing? Yeah, that's the ticket....The majority rules.....

    LOONEY TUNES !......Crazy

     

    Yeah, keep it up with the cab thing. I'll just keep listing all the crazy stuff religious brainwashed folks like you believe in.

    The difference between your Iran cab driver stunts and what I write, is that mine is true.

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      Sorry, but yet another failed attempt at whatever that is. I take a shower everyday, and sometimes twice a day in the summer time.

      It's amazing how you think you know so much about me, yet I defintely know so much more about you.  You believe in fairytales. That tells me a lot.

       

      But Ridge knows which one is the correct one. How?....well because he's much more intelligent than the rest of us.

      Maybe because it has top billing? Yeah, that's the ticket....The majority rules.....

      LOONEY TUNES !......Crazy

       

      Yeah, keep it up with the cab thing. I'll just keep listing all the crazy stuff religious brainwashed folks like you believe in.

      The difference between your Iran cab driver stunts and what I write, is that mine is true.

      What are you preaching and proselytizing about?

      You're never going to convert me if that's what it's all about.

       

      I've never made any claims about anything. And I don't care what your beliefs are. But you seem to be obsessed with hate for Christianity for some reason.

      So go ahead and have another meltdown.

      But you will not shut me up.

      Ever.

      You may push women around at home but it ain't happening here without me saying something about it.

      It's the new world order.

      Get used to it.


                                                   
                           
                                               

       

       

       

       

                                                                                                         

      "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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        What are you preaching and proselytizing about?

        You're never going to convert me if that's what it's all about.

         

        I've never made any claims about anything. And I don't care what your beliefs are. But you seem to be obsessed with hate for Christianity for some reason.

        So go ahead and have another meltdown.

        But you will not shut me up.

        Ever.

        You may push women around at home but it ain't happening here without me saying something about it.

        It's the new world order.

        Get used to it.

        I'm not trying to convert you, just showing the folly of your ways. There's no way to convert a brainwashed person who's in a trance, into a person who actually thinks for himself. It's impossible unless the person wakes up from their stupor when they investigate the facts. And since you don't believe in facts, it's futile to convert you.

        As long as you keep up with the cab things, I'll keep up with reminding you of how little your capacity is to think for yourself.

        Keep it up, I got all night and all day and night tomorrow.

        I will however take a break around 8:00 tonight because I start to drink my Heinekens and play my guitar to  many backtracks from different styles of music. The backtracks are great because it's a backtracking of bands without a lead guitar, to which I fill in.

        I can have fun playing my guitar and forget about you and your dumb racist remarks for about 2 hours. Then I can come back and remind you again of your folly.

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          I'm not trying to convert you, just showing the folly of your ways. There's no way to convert a brainwashed person who's in a trance, into a person who actually thinks for himself. It's impossible unless the person wakes up from their stupor when they investigate the facts. And since you don't believe in facts, it's futile to convert you.

          As long as you keep up with the cab things, I'll keep up with reminding you of how little your capacity is to think for yourself.

          Keep it up, I got all night and all day and night tomorrow.

          I will however take a break around 8:00 tonight because I start to drink my Heinekens and play my guitar to  many backtracks from different styles of music. The backtracks are great because it's a backtracking of bands without a lead guitar, to which I fill in.

          I can have fun playing my guitar and forget about you and your dumb racist remarks for about 2 hours. Then I can come back and remind you again of your folly.

          Yeah, I'll bet you're an expert musician.

          Watch out the snake doesn't bite you when you open the basket, now.

           

          Oh, and I'm not sure but I think they cut down your virgins from 72 to 29 if you drink alcohol. So think about that.

          Just sayin...


                                                       
                               
                                                   

           

           

           

           

                                                                                                             

          "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                      --Edmund Burke

           

           


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            Yeah, I'll bet you're an expert musician.

            Watch out the snake doesn't bite you when you open the basket, now.

             

            Oh, and I'm not sure but I think they cut down your virgins from 72 to 29 if you drink alcohol. So think about that.

            Just sayin...

            Now I know why you drink so much. You're a miserable Christian wannabe man. Did you have a miserable childhood?

            Silly old hillbilly that drinks like a fish and calls himself a Christian....

            Disapprove

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              Now I know why you drink so much. You're a miserable Christian wannabe man. Did you have a miserable childhood?

              Silly old hillbilly that drinks like a fish and calls himself a Christian....

              Disapprove

              This must be deja moo.

              Cuz I'm pretty sure I've heard this bull before.

               

              Nothing new?


                                                           
                                   
                                                       

               

               

               

               

                                                                                                                 

              "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                          --Edmund Burke

               

               


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                This must be deja moo.

                Cuz I'm pretty sure I've heard this bull before.

                 

                Nothing new?

                Yeah, I got somethng new. I just grew a new hair in my butt crack.

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                  Yeah, I got somethng new. I just grew a new hair in my butt crack.

                  Who told you?

                  Nancy or truecricket?


                                                               
                                       
                                                           

                   

                   

                   

                   

                                                                                                                     

                  "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                              --Edmund Burke

                   

                   

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                    Not knowing is based on lack of enough information to conclude whether a God exists or not. 

                    For you to know for sure based on the available information is really just faith, nothing more. The great minds of history, much more intelligent than you and I, have debated this to this day, and no evidence has ever been provided.

                    It's blind faith. There's nothing wrong with that, but I have the right to opine on the subject.

                    Here's another definition below.

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                    Agnostic

                    What is an Agnostic?

                    What
                    is an agnostic? An agnostic is popularly defined as a person who holds to a
                    middle ground between atheism and theism who also believes that the existence of
                    God is a definite possibility but it is not within the realm of one’s knowledge.
                    The term agnostic is a combination of the Greek prefix a meaning
                    without and gnosis meaning knowledge. Thus, an agnostic is
                    one who confidently affirms, “I don’t know.”

                    Agnostic
                    Origins
                    The term agnostic and the accompanying philosophy of agnosticism
                    was introduced by Thomas
                    H. Huxley
                    , 19th century biologist, philosopher, speaker, and one of the
                    first and foremost defenders of Charles Darwin’s “Origin
                    of the Species
                    .” Huxley clarified the philosophy of agnosticism in a
                    series of essays published in 1889. He wrote, “Positively, (agnosticism) may be
                    expressed: In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will
                    take you, without regard to any other consideration. And negatively: In matters
                    of the intellect do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not
                    demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic faith, which if a
                    man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in
                    the face, whatever the future may have in store for him.”

                     

                    Nope, I didn't lie. You just want to argue semantics.

                    you don't suffer from "lack of information",  you just don't like the information,  and therefore reject it solely on the basis of one component contained within the information.

                    the "authority" component.

                    you only reject the fact of a personal God because of the authority over your life dilemma.

                    once you cross that line philoshopically that God is "personal", you have to cross the line right then and there that God has standards over your life,  and therefore distinctive behavior "commandments",  and that's what riles your goat.

                    a Christian can talk about Christianity all day long.   but start to add the 'authority" aspect to the conversation,  and the anti crowd goes insane

                    it's why you solely attack Christianity,  because Christianty is the only "religion" that has a personal God,  with definitive standards.

                    other religions are merely "suggestions" on how to live a more pure moral based life, among other definitions.

                    Christianity isn't a "way of life"

                    Christianity revolves around Christ claiming to be God,  and as God,  he has power and authority over His creation.

                    it's that "component" you fight so hard against.

                    "lack of information" is nothing more than an intellectual cop out,  so you *think* you can recuse yourself from the authority of God over your life thingy.

                    besides being a intellectual cop out,  really it's about as dumb a statement as one human being can make.

                    if there is a God,  and He is responsible for the creation of billions of people,   your dumb statement that not one of those billions of people in history ever knew Him (based on "insufficient evidence"),  couldn't possible stand on it's own in the truth circle

                    that's as weak as it gets in explaining away God,  just so you can make up your own rules.

                    good old common sense slices that lame statement into billions of pieces when you pick truth over emotion,  and the truth based answer would be that God would not allow  billions of people to exist,  and then fall just short of a relationship with Him because well,   God is just not that good at feathering out information about Himself.

                    your statement equates to this,  that no one in history has ever known Him,  or known that things that are definitive in nature about Him.

                    if God exists,  that's a lie

                    that's a stupid,  lame statement.

                    you don't know personally speaking,  because you keep demonstrating you don't want to know,  not because there is a "lack of information".

                    your first move is always angst laden,  it isn't a "search".    it's seek and destroy,  and no one finds God ever that way.

                    it's your life,  and you can lie your way to the dirt nap there isn't "enough evidence",  or whatever other lame thing you can come up with,  so that you can convince yourself you don't "have to".

                    billions have known Him throughout history,  and untold millions know Him right now as i type this.

                    your "debate points" aren't even in the ballpark parking lot on the logical scale of history

                    there selfish, childish and downright rediculous

                    you are far more representative of a child that wants to do nothing but rebel,  and looks for ways to justify it

                    i have no problem you picking this path for your life,  but you can bet cab fare i won't stand by and allow you to get away with influencing people into intellectual oblivion.

                    "there isn't enough evidence".   thats a crock,  and reminds us all on how good you are with countering with your....

                     "HARD EVIDENCE"

                                "i am .........."meant to"       

                    P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                             until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                      dang,  at 10:01pm eastern time,  joker is going to come back and play his drunken version of stairway to heaven.

                      trouble is,  is angst will take over the demonic control of his guitar,  and it will end up sounding more like highway to hell sung by justin bieber.

                      i can't decide if i am looking forward to this,  or snot ...

                                  "i am .........."meant to"       

                      P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                               until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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                        you don't suffer from "lack of information",  you just don't like the information,  and therefore reject it solely on the basis of one component contained within the information.

                        the "authority" component.

                        you only reject the fact of a personal God because of the authority over your life dilemma.

                        once you cross that line philoshopically that God is "personal", you have to cross the line right then and there that God has standards over your life,  and therefore distinctive behavior "commandments",  and that's what riles your goat.

                        a Christian can talk about Christianity all day long.   but start to add the 'authority" aspect to the conversation,  and the anti crowd goes insane

                        it's why you solely attack Christianity,  because Christianty is the only "religion" that has a personal God,  with definitive standards.

                        other religions are merely "suggestions" on how to live a more pure moral based life, among other definitions.

                        Christianity isn't a "way of life"

                        Christianity revolves around Christ claiming to be God,  and as God,  he has power and authority over His creation.

                        it's that "component" you fight so hard against.

                        "lack of information" is nothing more than an intellectual cop out,  so you *think* you can recuse yourself from the authority of God over your life thingy.

                        besides being a intellectual cop out,  really it's about as dumb a statement as one human being can make.

                        if there is a God,  and He is responsible for the creation of billions of people,   your dumb statement that not one of those billions of people in history ever knew Him (based on "insufficient evidence"),  couldn't possible stand on it's own in the truth circle

                        that's as weak as it gets in explaining away God,  just so you can make up your own rules.

                        good old common sense slices that lame statement into billions of pieces when you pick truth over emotion,  and the truth based answer would be that God would not allow  billions of people to exist,  and then fall just short of a relationship with Him because well,   God is just not that good at feathering out information about Himself.

                        your statement equates to this,  that no one in history has ever known Him,  or known that things that are definitive in nature about Him.

                        if God exists,  that's a lie

                        that's a stupid,  lame statement.

                        you don't know personally speaking,  because you keep demonstrating you don't want to know,  not because there is a "lack of information".

                        your first move is always angst laden,  it isn't a "search".    it's seek and destroy,  and no one finds God ever that way.

                        it's your life,  and you can lie your way to the dirt nap there isn't "enough evidence",  or whatever other lame thing you can come up with,  so that you can convince yourself you don't "have to".

                        billions have known Him throughout history,  and untold millions know Him right now as i type this.

                        your "debate points" aren't even in the ballpark parking lot on the logical scale of history

                        there selfish, childish and downright rediculous

                        you are far more representative of a child that wants to do nothing but rebel,  and looks for ways to justify it

                        i have no problem you picking this path for your life,  but you can bet cab fare i won't stand by and allow you to get away with influencing people into intellectual oblivion.

                        "there isn't enough evidence".   thats a crock,  and reminds us all on how good you are with countering with your....

                         "HARD EVIDENCE"

                        you don't suffer from "lack of information",  you just don't like the information,  and therefore reject it solely on the basis of one component contained within the information

                         

                        I don't suffer from anything. The information I've gathered points in the direction of NO EVIDENCE PERIOD ! You think you know all there is to know, but based on what you write, I feel you don't have a clue pertaining to subjectivity.

                         

                         

                        you only reject the fact of a personal God because of the authority over your life dilemma.

                         

                        Wrong again. I would love to have a relationship with an almighty God. Only a fool would reject a bond with the creator. But unfortunately, no evidence exists. Believe it or not, I used to believe in the Christian faith. I really did. But then I realized that all the religions can't be right at the same time, so a red flag went up.

                         

                         

                        it's why you solely attack Christianity,  because Christianty is the only "religion" that has a personal God,  with definitive standards.

                         

                        Oh c'mon, how many times have i wrote that it's organized religion, and not just Christianity. Get with the program already. Do you really believe I agree with the Muslim losers who blow up innocent people because they think they're gonna meet 72 virgins? You make me laugh sometimes. Don't you get it? It's right under your nose. Just about every religion claims to be the right one and has the most rediculous rules to enter heaven. Some of the rules make sense, like treat your fellow human being with love and all the good stuff. Telling me I won't eneter heaven because I didn't believe in a particular faith is where it becomes stupid. I can't beleive you don't see the contradictions. You just want to go on preaching about the specifics of one religion, when in order to get a feel for reality, one must see the BIG picture, and that's what you lack.

                         

                         

                        Christianity revolves around Christ claiming to be God,  and as God,  he has power and authority over His creation.

                         

                        Just because you re-write something you've seen doesn't make it a fact. I wrote this, so it must be true. Your legitimacy filter sucks.

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                          visiondude and rdgrnr - Thank you.  I had asked this as the final question: "Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?"

                          You have both responded favorably to my question that posting "Complete coincidence...period" would not be a problem.

                          visiondude's actual response (slightly shortened):  "it is,..."  http://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2106674

                          rdgrnr's actual response: "Absolutely."  http://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2106503

                          I would say that the arguments start small and just keep getting worse and worse.  Hopefully you see this and agree.

                          Now, I'd like to direct you to May 29, 2011 and in particular to page 2 of this thread.  This page contains the very first post by joker and comments by visiondude and rdgrnr.

                          Here is the link, http://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2  - so you can read the actual page and verify I didn't change anything.

                          Here are the posts, shown in order of the times posted.

                          First Joker posts this:

                          joker

                           

                          Then visiondude's comment

                          visiondude

                          ...and further down the page, rdgrnr's comment

                          rdgrnr

                          It appears you both responded to his post, which is phrased almost exactly like what I asked about above (Complete coincidence...period) (Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?).  ...and then it escalates into 40 pages.  Part of the escalation is due to past history between joker, visiondude and rdgrnr.  I can include myself and maybe a few others in there as well, however I never posted a response directly to the lottery winner in this thread.

                          To be honest, joker posted something respectful and you both jumped in.  In all fairness I think rdgrnr may have been including other posters as well, in his comment (not sure what was running through his head at the time). 

                          Would you guys agree that you should have left joker's post without a comment?  I would hope so, based on your answers to my questions.

                          Lottery Post is on the net - the net is worldwide.  Even in the U.S. there are religions of probably every faith in the world and there has been a lot of disrespect shown against many of them in this thread (and others).  That doesn't seem like a good thing for Lottery Post.   Religion/Atheist discussions will never be solved here.  I don't know the proper thing at this point, maybe, "can't we all get along?"  or "shake hands and let's move on."

                          ...that brought a tear to my eye!  cry

                          (Skewer me if you must...)

                          joker's first intial was not out of line,  and my response to him was not either.

                          it was a rebuttal of his "just coincidence" assertion,  using the guy who this thread is dedicated to as example of what could happen should you allow God to be real,  instead of just excusing him away.

                          you took one thing and asserted that was an 'attack',  and that's an agenda lie.

                          there is not one hit of "chop" or sarcastic jerkitis in my response to jokers post.

                          i used joker's post to "teach" about the other side of the coin

                          if anything,  joker launched into his waiting in the wings tirade when he didn't like my "narrow" response,  in his very next post.

                          the difference,  despite even our history,  mine was respectful.

                          joker just wants to fight,  so.....he gets his wish

                           

                          " That doesn't seem like a good thing for Lottery Post".

                           ahhh,  the underhanded attempt at shutting down something you don't like or approve of,  and using the innocent kum by ya move.

                          i sure recognize that from 500 miles away when i smell it

                                      "i am .........."meant to"       

                          P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

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                            dang,  at 10:01pm eastern time,  joker is going to come back and play his drunken version of stairway to heaven.

                            trouble is,  is angst will take over the demonic control of his guitar,  and it will end up sounding more like highway to hell sung by justin bieber.

                            i can't decide if i am looking forward to this,  or snot ...

                            I actually LOL'ed...lol

                            Green laugh

                            You see why I say I like you and Ridge. I'm sure you guys are nice guys just trying to get through this hectic world. It's just egos that separate our friendship. I'm guilty of it no doubt.

                            That was good Vision. it's a side i rarely see from you...

                            Jester


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                              Posted: June 22, 2011, 8:17 pm - IP Logged

                              Somebody who calls himself "mccainisthrough" did the video so I'm sure it's not the least bit biased.

                              Libs are such an annoyance.

                              No offense Nancy, but effeminate men creep me out.

                              The video has been uploaded by many and to many forums.  Its title is Sam Harris Explains Atheism/Reality.  Too bad your bandwidth is so limiting up there.  BTW, where do you run into these effeminate men that seem to be so unsettling to you - on the hill, or in the holler' ?

                              Time Out !!!

                              This might be a good time to take a few minutes to listen to someone else discuss these issues in a calm, cool manner...

                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

                              (Sorry rdgrnr, I'm sure you would find it interesting.)

                               

                                 
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