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of course i know for sure.

on exactly every little tiny nuance in life,  heck no,  no one does.

but on issues where God has made Himself plain,  who He is and what He demands of His creation, you bet i know.

you keep coming from the angle that no one knows,  therefore no one could possibly speak with any authority on the subject matter.

remember,  for you to hold to that position, no one in the billions of people born "ever knew".

and yet you make the most hypocritical statement when you say you believe there "could be" a God.

you either don't even know what you believe about that,  or you do,  and it is your acting job of selling yourself in here as a "seeker"

seekers give a full wide path to the possibility,  and when you make the asertion that no one could possibly know, you give a window into your true motivation.

it isn't arrogant for someone to say they do know on things that are definitive,  it's when they attempt to sell the notion they know EVERYTHING.

i never have. 

while i do know alot,  and i am cemented in the assertion of what i do know,  still i am no different than anyone else who is still learning about God,  and what He desires.

but i want to know,  and i have zero problem with the authority attachment to knowing,  and that's why and how i can know.

when someone like you fights the initial authority aspect,   you will never know,  until you get over that.

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"You can't answer a simple question, but you want me to take you seriously".

 i never answer you,  to answer you.....i use you to "teach".

i answer you only to handle my business vs what i claim.   i don't pretend to think what i say to you sways you past your angst.    your fully entrenched in that.

"i answer you" , because my integrity demands it of me,  and that has zero to do with you

it's painfully obvious you don't deserve credibility "seriousness" when you just lied again.

i answered your question,  but again it's your waek defense,  because now i have you in another corner where you couldn't handle the "what's the definitive line" arguement.

our exchanges are archived ,  and your the one that continually skates when challenged with something.

you lied again.     i guess you HAVE started drinking

Thank God.

Maybe he sent you to wake me up.

I appreciate your diligence.  You may have truly saved my soul fom eternal dam-nashion.

I'm just gonna treat everyone on this thread with respect, love, and selflishlessness....

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    Look who's talking. You drink JD...Puke

    I bought a bottle about 2 or 3 months ago and I almost dieded from shock...lol

    That stuff is poison.

    Some people gotta ease up on Jack.

    Try it with Coke on the rocks first, then with water on the rocks, then just on the rocks, then straight, and in no time you'll realize there ain't too many things in the world better than Jack.

    It's a Rite of Passage in Tennessee.


                                                 
                         
                                             

     

     

     

     

                                                                                                       

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      visiondude

      There's kind of a lull at the moment, so...

      Have a question for you.  No agenda, just wondering your take on the France thingy.  Because I just can't see a meaning.  Lots of things just come and go without meaning.  You can have a car that starts everyday for 3 yrs and then all of a sudden it doesn't start - I can't see how that would be a "God" induced plan.

      It's been 3 years.  Suppose you wake up tomorrow and the day ends with no France.  What does that mean or prove (to you)?  Say France shows up the next day and continues for a long time.  What do you do about that one day without France?

      Or say it becomes sporadic, what would that mean (to you)?

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        science is a dizzying sport,  and cannot be trusted for your personal zip code in eternity.

        science changes more then the depends dispenser at an old folks home.

        now THAT'S a fact.

        science is an ever evolving guess,  and nothing more

        what "time" it takes to measure something isn't equal to it's ability to create itself,   your just stuck at how fast it travels

        God said He created the light instantaneously,  and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway. 

        you act like God is stephan hawking,  and vice versa.

        stephan hawking can't even walk,  let alone speak the world into existence.

        it's a rediculous notion that God has only "limited capabilities" based solely around what the human mind can grasp.

        that's intellectual / spiritual suicide.

        if there is a God,  creating light,  and assigning it a speed limit of 186,000 miles a second is childs play to Him

        he made you,  even with your mouth running 186,001 miles a second,  didn't He ?

        "billions of years" is hogwash.    science that favors ditching God manufactured that lie. 

        go ahead,  trust the anti God scienterrific community for the "facts" when explaining things involving eternity,  and see how far you get. 

        you won't get "God",  and didn't you just tell the board that's who you are looking for?

        you keep saying one thing,  and spitting out reasons not to.

        there is far more going on than a stint in rehab near area 51  to your conscience around.

        there are "geologists" in eternity

                    "i am .........."meant to"       

        P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                 until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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          Some people gotta ease up on Jack.

          Try it with Coke on the rocks first, then with water on the rocks, then just on the rocks, then straight, and in no time you'll realize there ain't too many things in the world better than Jack.

          It's a Rite of Passage in Tennessee.

          Yeah, i think I drank it as fast as i do Vodka. I found out the hard way without working my way up like you said.

          What type of rocks should I use?

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            Yeah, i think I drank it as fast as i do Vodka. I found out the hard way without working my way up like you said.

            What type of rocks should I use?

            i am waiting for stack the thread police to come and issue you guys a ticket.....lol

            hey stack,  do you only pick things you don't like ?

            nah,  that can't be true

                        "i am .........."meant to"       

            P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                     until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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              science is a dizzying sport,  and cannot be trusted for your personal zip code in eternity.

              science changes more then the depends dispenser at an old folks home.

              now THAT'S a fact.

              science is an ever evolving guess,  and nothing more

              what "time" it takes to measure something isn't equal to it's ability to create itself,   your just stuck at how fast it travels

              God said He created the light instantaneously,  and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway. 

              you act like God is stephan hawking,  and vice versa.

              stephan hawking can't even walk,  let alone speak the world into existence.

              it's a rediculous notion that God has only "limited capabilities" based solely around what the human mind can grasp.

              that's intellectual / spiritual suicide.

              if there is a God,  creating light,  and assigning it a speed limit of 186,000 miles a second is childs play to Him

              he made you,  even with your mouth running 186,001 miles a second,  didn't He ?

              "billions of years" is hogwash.    science that favors ditching God manufactured that lie. 

              go ahead,  trust the anti God scienterrific community for the "facts" when explaining things involving eternity,  and see how far you get. 

              you won't get "God",  and didn't you just tell the board that's who you are looking for?

              you keep saying one thing,  and spitting out reasons not to.

              there is far more going on than a stint in rehab near area 51  to your conscience around.

              there are "geologists" in eternity

              God said He created the light instantaneously, and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway.

               

              You see, you keep inferring God into the picture as If it was 100% true. So because you wrote it in a public forum doesn't make it true.

               

               

               

              if there is a God,  creating light,  and assigning it a speed limit of 186,000 miles a second is childs play to Him

               

              You're right... But only If a God exists.

              So he's well aware that in the future that scientists would scratch their heads in wonder on how galaxies are billions of light years old, but according to the Bible it's only a few thousand years old, thus purposely confusin his creation, fooling him....why?...Does this even make any sense to you? Let's create man and then send him curve balls so hard that his head is gonna spin for eternity. Yeah, that sounds like a plan !

              LOONEY TUNES MAN !

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                Yeah, i think I drank it as fast as i do Vodka. I found out the hard way without working my way up like you said.

                What type of rocks should I use?

                Cleveland.


                                                             
                                     
                                                         

                 

                 

                 

                 

                                                                                                                   

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                  visiondude

                  There's kind of a lull at the moment, so...

                  Have a question for you.  No agenda, just wondering your take on the France thingy.  Because I just can't see a meaning.  Lots of things just come and go without meaning.  You can have a car that starts everyday for 3 yrs and then all of a sudden it doesn't start - I can't see how that would be a "God" induced plan.

                  It's been 3 years.  Suppose you wake up tomorrow and the day ends with no France.  What does that mean or prove (to you)?  Say France shows up the next day and continues for a long time.  What do you do about that one day without France?

                  Or say it becomes sporadic, what would that mean (to you)?

                  I already know what the whole France thing is all about.

                  Just tap your heels three times and close your eyes really tight...lol


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                    Cleveland.

                    Ian Hunter was a genius.

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                      visiondude

                      There's kind of a lull at the moment, so...

                      Have a question for you.  No agenda, just wondering your take on the France thingy.  Because I just can't see a meaning.  Lots of things just come and go without meaning.  You can have a car that starts everyday for 3 yrs and then all of a sudden it doesn't start - I can't see how that would be a "God" induced plan.

                      It's been 3 years.  Suppose you wake up tomorrow and the day ends with no France.  What does that mean or prove (to you)?  Say France shows up the next day and continues for a long time.  What do you do about that one day without France?

                      Or say it becomes sporadic, what would that mean (to you)?

                      this isn't the first time stuff like this has happened to me,  aand in every instance,  it has come to pass.

                      the difference in this is it isn't specific as far as God has not told me definitively what it is about.

                      i have a suspicion what it is,  and i can prove that. 

                      i blocked out a couple of things on my first journal entry of aug 2008 that contianed information of what i think it might be.

                      sometimes God is specific,  like he was in the other times He told me He was going to do something,  and then did it.

                      this time He is purposefully vague,  and that is 100% congruent with Gods decisin making at times,  preferring that He tells us only "so much",  so that we will trust Him for the rest.

                      it's like an insurance policy that God takes out on us.   telling us "just enough" so that insures a tight bond for the duration of the event.

                      if He told me all i needed to know now (what it is),   maybe i wouldn't place as much emphasis on it via anticipation.

                      been a Christian for 30+ years,  and i know and trust whatever "methodology" God decides to deal out the cards.

                      it will stop someday,  and when it does,  i am good with the reason all up and down the scale.

                      who knows if He did it just for my benefit?

                      the longer i live,  the more i know about why God chooses to do the things the way He chooses to do them,  the more i realize He does things in and around my life that sometimes aren't for my benefit.

                      let's say it stops tomorrow (because today it's already happened),  just the observance of the fact that it did happen by anyone watching,  they would have to reconcile how that could happen, and make it decision as to it's origin.

                      it is possible it is not for me,  but thru me. 

                      i happen to think i will be the benefactor of it,  and others peripherally will be encouraged in their walk with God via the observance thereof.

                      all my responsibility is to do my part,  whatever that is for the moment,  and i am.

                      when the times comes,  and it is about me,  i will do that.

                      remember,  what i "think" it is,  is archived in my aug 2008.   that part IS a guess.

                      that would be really weird if it went for 3 years,  stopped one day,  then started again.

                      that would cause an "uh hum" moment,  and i would naturally wonder why,  but i don't concern myself with killing myself in the pursuit of always having to know why. 

                       i won't.   no one always does.  somewhere God is being God and won't give an explnantion as to "why".

                      maybe that "why" is apparent to me,  but meant something to someone else.

                      what affords me fluidity in these situations is not blind stupidity "faith",  but one that trusts no matter what.

                      i am perfectly ensconced with what i do know,  and perfectly fine with what i don't know

                      as of this conversation,  my sig flag is still flying at full staff

                      as much as i know God,  as thrilled as i am about being a part of this,  i am still human,  and i want to know myself.

                                  "i am .........."meant to"       

                      P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                               until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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                        I put off playing guitar tonight. I have a few videos of me playing, so I'll watch them later. It works just as well.

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                          I put off playing guitar tonight. I have a few videos of me playing, so I'll watch them later. It works just as well.

                          Do you have a mirror set up so you can watch yourself watching yourself?


                                                                       
                                               
                                                                   

                           

                           

                           

                           

                                                                                                                             

                          "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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                            this isn't the first time stuff like this has happened to me,  aand in every instance,  it has come to pass.

                            the difference in this is it isn't specific as far as God has not told me definitively what it is about.

                            i have a suspicion what it is,  and i can prove that. 

                            i blocked out a couple of things on my first journal entry of aug 2008 that contianed information of what i think it might be.

                            sometimes God is specific,  like he was in the other times He told me He was going to do something,  and then did it.

                            this time He is purposefully vague,  and that is 100% congruent with Gods decisin making at times,  preferring that He tells us only "so much",  so that we will trust Him for the rest.

                            it's like an insurance policy that God takes out on us.   telling us "just enough" so that insures a tight bond for the duration of the event.

                            if He told me all i needed to know now (what it is),   maybe i wouldn't place as much emphasis on it via anticipation.

                            been a Christian for 30+ years,  and i know and trust whatever "methodology" God decides to deal out the cards.

                            it will stop someday,  and when it does,  i am good with the reason all up and down the scale.

                            who knows if He did it just for my benefit?

                            the longer i live,  the more i know about why God chooses to do the things the way He chooses to do them,  the more i realize He does things in and around my life that sometimes aren't for my benefit.

                            let's say it stops tomorrow (because today it's already happened),  just the observance of the fact that it did happen by anyone watching,  they would have to reconcile how that could happen, and make it decision as to it's origin.

                            it is possible it is not for me,  but thru me. 

                            i happen to think i will be the benefactor of it,  and others peripherally will be encouraged in their walk with God via the observance thereof.

                            all my responsibility is to do my part,  whatever that is for the moment,  and i am.

                            when the times comes,  and it is about me,  i will do that.

                            remember,  what i "think" it is,  is archived in my aug 2008.   that part IS a guess.

                            that would be really weird if it went for 3 years,  stopped one day,  then started again.

                            that would cause an "uh hum" moment,  and i would naturally wonder why,  but i don't concern myself with killing myself in the pursuit of always having to know why. 

                             i won't.   no one always does.  somewhere God is being God and won't give an explnantion as to "why".

                            maybe that "why" is apparent to me,  but meant something to someone else.

                            what affords me fluidity in these situations is not blind stupidity "faith",  but one that trusts no matter what.

                            i am perfectly ensconced with what i do know,  and perfectly fine with what i don't know

                            as of this conversation,  my sig flag is still flying at full staff

                            as much as i know God,  as thrilled as i am about being a part of this,  i am still human,  and i want to know myself.

                            OK, I was just curious. Nothing more.

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                              God said He created the light instantaneously, and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway.

                               

                              You see, you keep inferring God into the picture as If it was 100% true. So because you wrote it in a public forum doesn't make it true.

                               

                               

                               

                              if there is a God,  creating light,  and assigning it a speed limit of 186,000 miles a second is childs play to Him

                               

                              You're right... But only If a God exists.

                              So he's well aware that in the future that scientists would scratch their heads in wonder on how galaxies are billions of light years old, but according to the Bible it's only a few thousand years old, thus purposely confusin his creation, fooling him....why?...Does this even make any sense to you? Let's create man and then send him curve balls so hard that his head is gonna spin for eternity. Yeah, that sounds like a plan !

                              LOONEY TUNES MAN !

                              sure it does,  has nothing to do whatsoever with "confusion".

                              you keep running to science as a "fact giver",  not ever weighing the God side of things.

                              if you can't admit that most scientists ditch God purposefully out of the equation,  and therefore are agenda inclined to distance themselves from creationism possumbility,  then you can't be trusted for all things factually weighed.

                              true science can only be weighed sans agenda.       let the true facts fall where they may,  see where the dust settles

                              there is no hard evidence the worlds "billions of years old",   that's pure scientific hypothesis with no concrete (pun intended) evidence.

                              a guess

                              and even more important that it's nothing BUT  a guess,  the "guess" keeps changing.

                              facts don't "change" joker,  and science can't even agree on a ballpark guess, let alone an exact figure.

                              ask one scientist,  and he throws out the largest number that will insure him a guest spot on scientific american

                              ask another one,  and if his ego surpasses joe rockhead,  he will tack on another billion for kicks and giggles.

                              shoot,   all you need to know is these "scientific geniouses" are good at,  is to keep punching thier addition button on their calcuhaters.

                              i know you can't think straight,  so this next fact about "science" isn't for you,  but doesn't it even make you consider throwing your scienterrific american collection away in favor of provable biblical history,  when "science" first threw out thier "guesses" in the millions column,  and now it's grown into the "billions"

                               

                              that in and of itself is an intellectual joke. 

                               it's millions.   no,  it's BILLIONS.    we must be just around the corner from godzillababillions

                              "guesses" aren't facts,   and "guesses" are responsible for confusion Crazy

                              between the two,  creationism is more trustworthy just because the "facts" never evolve or change.

                              creationism "dating" on the other hand has remained  steady throughout the recordation of their history

                               

                              once again you tell everyone you want to know God,  but then you turn around and your always next move is to "explain" God right out of the equation.    it's a crock you want to know Him

                               

                              God will throw "curveballs" at humanity at times for sure.

                              i think it's an awesome attribute that He does,  to teach people their own stupidity at mocking Him

                              the monkey.   man was that ever an ingenious "curveball"

                              so many people still act like one,  it really blurs the line sometimes

                              well,  that and purple pumperknickle pageant donkeys 

                               

                              just cuz some god-hating dweeb in the middle of the desert in the midst of heat exhaustion picks up a multi layered rock, and  wants to eclipse his buddies in dorm room 104,   doesn't mean it's "true".

                              you just run to it,  and make it true,  because it ditches God out of the equation

                              i just kicked rocks over your science.   just moving 100 years in either direction constitues a guess.

                              moving from millions to billions without conscience shows they are lying

                              you trust something that's ever evolving and changing,   and i am too smart to EVER trust that.

                              especially as it pertains to things with an eternal weight attached to it

                              quite frankly,  i could CARE LESS how old the earth is,  because i KNOW who created it

                                          "i am .........."meant to"       

                              P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                       until further notice,  it's  france everyday

                                 
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