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In group lottery wins, splitting the spoils tough

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cbr$'s avatar - maren
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Posted: April 4, 2012, 12:43 pm - IP Logged

I was a part of a office pool years ago it had a lot of rules and guide lines. $ 5.00 per person per name.each week. If you had a wife , a husband, a child or a significance other . You could add another five dollar for their name. We had a sign in sheet, a bulletin board, and a xerox machine. all money for any draw had to be in three day prior to the drawing before 11am , there was all advance sheets maked someone going on vacation  have to pay before you left for vacation. we send one or two people to purchase the tickets . counted all the tickets (3) people counted them the first two people didn't come up to same amount then give to a 3rd person to count again. all the tickets were lay out in away, where all serial number could be seen and numbers could be seen and copied. Everybody who played that drawing get a copy , a another one will be put on the board.the tickets when a envelope was seal and tape in front of everyone. put in the safe if it was a week-end drawing it included it would a list of names of people in this drawing with the date. a hi- lited area with the the list of names of the people who had already for the next drawing.w/date. It was the players responsibility have the Thinking of...money in on time. the minute the ticket were sended. no money is except on a closed pool. No exception. everybody got a copy of the rules. these people need rules / guide line . Then stick to them NO EXCEPTIONS / end of story/ period.


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    I was a part of a office pool years ago it had a lot of rules and guide lines. $ 5.00 per person per name.each week. If you had a wife , a husband, a child or a significance other . You could add another five dollar for their name. We had a sign in sheet, a bulletin board, and a xerox machine. all money for any draw had to be in three day prior to the drawing before 11am , there was all advance sheets maked someone going on vacation  have to pay before you left for vacation. we send one or two people to purchase the tickets . counted all the tickets (3) people counted them the first two people didn't come up to same amount then give to a 3rd person to count again. all the tickets were lay out in away, where all serial number could be seen and numbers could be seen and copied. Everybody who played that drawing get a copy , a another one will be put on the board.the tickets when a envelope was seal and tape in front of everyone. put in the safe if it was a week-end drawing it included it would a list of names of people in this drawing with the date. a hi- lited area with the the list of names of the people who had already for the next drawing.w/date. It was the players responsibility have the Thinking of...money in on time. the minute the ticket were sended. no money is except on a closed pool. No exception. everybody got a copy of the rules. these people need rules / guide line . Then stick to them NO EXCEPTIONS / end of story/ period.

    Option 2

     

    Buy your own tickets.

     

    Wow seems so easy. Cant be real

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      Posted: April 4, 2012, 2:32 pm - IP Logged

      too much drama


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        Posted: April 4, 2012, 2:48 pm - IP Logged

        too much drama

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          Posted: April 4, 2012, 4:43 pm - IP Logged

          I am in a work pool only because I would hate to be the shmuck that didn't want to join coworkers in a work pool and they won big like that guy from  Albany NY last year here http://www.lotterypost.com/news/229659  I also play on my own.

          My reasons are simple. Even if there was a dispute that one person played in former games and didnt play in the game that won the jackpot and so the judge ruled in their favor and ordered that they be included in the share I would still walk away with more money than I put in. At my work we do photocopy the tickets and everybody recieves a copy.

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            Posted: April 4, 2012, 6:51 pm - IP Logged

            Ive said it before, keep it simple buy your own tickets

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              Posted: April 4, 2012, 8:30 pm - IP Logged

              Bang Head

               

              Stoopid office pool won $4 on Friday's MM, so 'leader' says she'll buy 2 PB for Wed draw. I just remembered it... and no ticket copies. Dammit. 

              The only reason I put my $2 in was that there are only 25 people in the office... everyone joined + 3 work from home employees. For $2 I wasn't going to be the only one that HAD to show up for work on Monday.... 

              yes, i got my own tickets.

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                Posted: April 5, 2012, 12:27 am - IP Logged

                How hard is it to write up a set of rules that anticipate the problems, and have every member sign? All of the disputes I can remember fit into a very short list of things that are easy to anticipate and easy to cover in the rules.

                People who aren't smart enough to manage that should probably avoid pools, but far more people collect a big check as a result of playing in a pool than playing on their own. Despite the occasional lawsuit there are also plenty of pools that win and then quietly disappear with no indication that they had any trouble at all.

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                  Posted: April 5, 2012, 1:16 am - IP Logged

                  I agree with you. I also ran a pool in my workplace. 10 people, contributing money to the pool every month. Before they could join they had to sign a set of rules regarding the pool operation. Additionally, at the monthly contribution they also had to sign separately that they are in the pool for that month. Thus memberships in the pool could fluctuate but there was never any question who was in for any given month. Never had any problem with this system.

                  Remember folks, when it comes to court only what's on the paper counts. No verbal agreements, delayed contributions etc. Leave as little to doubt as possible. Document in hard copy everything, including copies of the tickets, membeship lists and anything else of importance. Sometimes even simple, private notes may have significant importance. In fact, if someone hires a lawer to sue you, after examing the documentation the lawer himself may drop the case as hopeless.

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                    Posted: April 5, 2012, 1:19 am - IP Logged

                    We know who plays all the time. If their not around we always put them in anyways and make sure their names are on the copys.

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                      Posted: April 5, 2012, 3:10 am - IP Logged

                      It seems that most of the problems with pools is someone "straying from the pool", that is playing a ticket independently, rather any rules were written up beforehand or not.

                      I understand what has been said about not wanting to be the only one in a work group that didn't go in, but I still think any form of gambling should be solo.

                      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                      Lep

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                        Here is a copy of the rules that I send out on every email announcing the next drawing. 

                         

                        1. Whether we play the Powerball or Mega Millions, the entry fee is $2. Powerball is drawn on Wednesday and Saturday night. Mega Millions is drawn on Tuesday and Friday night.

                        The envelope for money will be on my door.

                         

                        2. Write down the amount you put in ($2,$4,$6,etc) and your name or identifying number

                         

                        3. Anyone paying ahead will be notified via email that the money was collected for future draws and for how many draws were paid ahead. Example: Norm paid $4 so it’s tonight +1

                         

                        4. It is your responsibility to get money in prior to each drawing. How you do that is up to you.

                         

                        5. Tickets will be purchased by me or someone participating in the pool on the day of the drawing, prior to the drawing.

                         

                        6. Copies of the tickets will be sent to each participant with an email address.

                         

                        7. Any money won that is less per person than the $2 for participation goes back into the pool for the next drawing. Example: We have 20 people in for the drawing and we win $5. The $5 divided by 20 people is .25, which is less than the $2 for entry, so that money goes back into the pool for the next drawing and does not count for any one person as their entry fee. Also, no one gets .25 either.

                         

                        8. I will maintain the envelopes from prior drawings in my office. On the outside of each envelope will be the drawing we are playing, the date, and the amount of the jackpot. Underneath will be the list of people that paid in for that drawing and how much they put in, including money for future draws. The numbers that were drawn and the amount we won, if any, will also be on the envelope. Inside will be the losing tickets and a photocopy of all tickets purchased for the drawing.

                         

                        9. In the event of a large win, $10,000 and up, the group as a whole will decide on a course of action. Same for a jackpot win.

                         

                        10. Buying into our pool does not preclude anyone from purchasing their own tickets for any drawing. I buy tickets for myself for every drawing, you should too. I do not and will not purchase tickets for myself at the same time as I purchase tickets for the group.

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                          Here is a copy of the rules that I send out on every email announcing the next drawing. 

                           

                          1. Whether we play the Powerball or Mega Millions, the entry fee is $2. Powerball is drawn on Wednesday and Saturday night. Mega Millions is drawn on Tuesday and Friday night.

                          The envelope for money will be on my door.

                           

                          2. Write down the amount you put in ($2,$4,$6,etc) and your name or identifying number

                           

                          3. Anyone paying ahead will be notified via email that the money was collected for future draws and for how many draws were paid ahead. Example: Norm paid $4 so it’s tonight +1

                           

                          4. It is your responsibility to get money in prior to each drawing. How you do that is up to you.

                           

                          5. Tickets will be purchased by me or someone participating in the pool on the day of the drawing, prior to the drawing.

                           

                          6. Copies of the tickets will be sent to each participant with an email address.

                           

                          7. Any money won that is less per person than the $2 for participation goes back into the pool for the next drawing. Example: We have 20 people in for the drawing and we win $5. The $5 divided by 20 people is .25, which is less than the $2 for entry, so that money goes back into the pool for the next drawing and does not count for any one person as their entry fee. Also, no one gets .25 either.

                           

                          8. I will maintain the envelopes from prior drawings in my office. On the outside of each envelope will be the drawing we are playing, the date, and the amount of the jackpot. Underneath will be the list of people that paid in for that drawing and how much they put in, including money for future draws. The numbers that were drawn and the amount we won, if any, will also be on the envelope. Inside will be the losing tickets and a photocopy of all tickets purchased for the drawing.

                           

                          9. In the event of a large win, $10,000 and up, the group as a whole will decide on a course of action. Same for a jackpot win.

                           

                          10. Buying into our pool does not preclude anyone from purchasing their own tickets for any drawing. I buy tickets for myself for every drawing, you should too. I do not and will not purchase tickets for myself at the same time as I purchase tickets for the group.

                          If the envelope is "on your door",what is to keep someone from signing it and NOT putting any money in but saying they did put money in?You seem to be trusting everyone to be honest.I think that is a major flaw in your thinking.People are not always honest.

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                            If the envelope is "on your door",what is to keep someone from signing it and NOT putting any money in but saying they did put money in?You seem to be trusting everyone to be honest.I think that is a major flaw in your thinking.People are not always honest.

                            I don't disagree with you at all on that.  It hasn't come up yet.  I have worked with most of these people for several years and I feel confident that it won't come up.  If it does, I will probably cover the $2 and send out an email letting them know that it was short and that if it happens again, the pool will come to an end.

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                              I don't disagree with you at all on that.  It hasn't come up yet.  I have worked with most of these people for several years and I feel confident that it won't come up.  If it does, I will probably cover the $2 and send out an email letting them know that it was short and that if it happens again, the pool will come to an end.

                              N.S.  You sir are a more trusting/giving sole than I am.......Running my pool down here, I made people buy their ticket, bring it to work and initial it in front of me, then I made copies of all tickets and distributed them to the participants. You didn't bring in the ticket before the night of the drawing, you were on your own. No No That way everyone knew who gave and who was in if we won.....kudos to your generosity sir  Patriot

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