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Loopholes allow some Michigan lottery winners to stay on welfare

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Posted: April 17, 2013, 1:41 am - IP Logged

WTG...."A Michigan agency has removed more than 500 lottery winners from certain welfare programs because of a new state law that cross-references winners with recipients of some types of aid."Thumbs Up

Now they just need to amend state laws to apply to ALL benefits.

So disabled vets should forfeit their disability benefits also because they won a couple grand. I don't think so.

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    Ok...here's my take.  Why not exclude past criminals as well?  Why not exclude those making over a certain amount or who have a certain amount of assets? Why don't we add provisions similar to those being proposed (and in some places, already in place) for gun control, i.e. mental health evaluations, etc.?  Money can be used as a weapon, like so much else.  The one thing I've held to (especially difficult to do when a well heeled person wins) is that if you buy a ticket, you have a right to win.  The lottery is not or is at least not supposed to be an extension of the state welfare program. 

    I absolutely agree that if someone wins a significant enough amount of money that would disqualify them from government aid programs, they should be removed from the program, obviously.  But if someone wins a decent; but not exactly life changing amount, their case should be REVIEWED to see what levels of aid they still qualify for.  If someone wins $ 500, I don't really think that qualifies as an amount worthy of removing them from the a state aid program that they need to survive.  I'd like to see them have the latitude to invest that sum in moving them toward gainful employment.

    Determining whether or not someone should be on government assistance should be based on assets and income; no matter what their source.  If the state wants to track lottery winners on state aid, fine.  But their evaluation should not be prejudicial.  There should be a consistent evaluation of ANYONE on the welfare rolls.  But lottery winners are an easy target.  Now if someone wins a pretty large amount...and is still on the rolls, I would be in favor of not only removing them; but pressing criminal charges.  These people aren't doing bad because they won the lottery; it's because they haven't declared a change in their status or increase in assets or income.

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      Ok...here's my take.  Why not exclude past criminals as well?  Why not exclude those making over a certain amount or who have a certain amount of assets? Why don't we add provisions similar to those being proposed (and in some places, already in place) for gun control, i.e. mental health evaluations, etc.?  Money can be used as a weapon, like so much else.  The one thing I've held to (especially difficult to do when a well heeled person wins) is that if you buy a ticket, you have a right to win.  The lottery is not or is at least not supposed to be an extension of the state welfare program. 

      I absolutely agree that if someone wins a significant enough amount of money that would disqualify them from government aid programs, they should be removed from the program, obviously.  But if someone wins a decent; but not exactly life changing amount, their case should be REVIEWED to see what levels of aid they still qualify for.  If someone wins $ 500, I don't really think that qualifies as an amount worthy of removing them from the a state aid program that they need to survive.  I'd like to see them have the latitude to invest that sum in moving them toward gainful employment.

      Determining whether or not someone should be on government assistance should be based on assets and income; no matter what their source.  If the state wants to track lottery winners on state aid, fine.  But their evaluation should not be prejudicial.  There should be a consistent evaluation of ANYONE on the welfare rolls.  But lottery winners are an easy target.  Now if someone wins a pretty large amount...and is still on the rolls, I would be in favor of not only removing them; but pressing criminal charges.  These people aren't doing bad because they won the lottery; it's because they haven't declared a change in their status or increase in assets or income.

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        Posted: April 17, 2013, 7:37 am - IP Logged

        So disabled vets should forfeit their disability benefits also because they won a couple grand. I don't think so.

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          Ok...here's my take.  Why not exclude past criminals as well?  Why not exclude those making over a certain amount or who have a certain amount of assets? Why don't we add provisions similar to those being proposed (and in some places, already in place) for gun control, i.e. mental health evaluations, etc.?  Money can be used as a weapon, like so much else.  The one thing I've held to (especially difficult to do when a well heeled person wins) is that if you buy a ticket, you have a right to win.  The lottery is not or is at least not supposed to be an extension of the state welfare program. 

          I absolutely agree that if someone wins a significant enough amount of money that would disqualify them from government aid programs, they should be removed from the program, obviously.  But if someone wins a decent; but not exactly life changing amount, their case should be REVIEWED to see what levels of aid they still qualify for.  If someone wins $ 500, I don't really think that qualifies as an amount worthy of removing them from the a state aid program that they need to survive.  I'd like to see them have the latitude to invest that sum in moving them toward gainful employment.

          Determining whether or not someone should be on government assistance should be based on assets and income; no matter what their source.  If the state wants to track lottery winners on state aid, fine.  But their evaluation should not be prejudicial.  There should be a consistent evaluation of ANYONE on the welfare rolls.  But lottery winners are an easy target.  Now if someone wins a pretty large amount...and is still on the rolls, I would be in favor of not only removing them; but pressing criminal charges.  These people aren't doing bad because they won the lottery; it's because they haven't declared a change in their status or increase in assets or income.

          Tough debate. What if they win 2 mill and blow it in 6 months. Do they deserve to get Gov assistance again.

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            Tough debate. What if they win 2 mill and blow it in 6 months. Do they deserve to get Gov assistance again.

            i think that's how it works, i know a boy who is disabled and on disability and when he works they cut his check down if he makes over a certain amount of money but when he don't work he signs back up and get his disability check again Patriot

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              i think that's how it works, i know a boy who is disabled and on disability and when he works they cut his check down if he makes over a certain amount of money but when he don't work he signs back up and get his disability check again Patriot

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                anyone 65+ on Social Security checks don't worry they can't take you moneyNo Nod

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                    anyone 65+ on Social Security checks don't worry they can't take you moneyNo Nod

                    you can make as much as you want Smiley

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                        Ok...here's my take.  Why not exclude past criminals as well?  Why not exclude those making over a certain amount or who have a certain amount of assets? Why don't we add provisions similar to those being proposed (and in some places, already in place) for gun control, i.e. mental health evaluations, etc.?  Money can be used as a weapon, like so much else.  The one thing I've held to (especially difficult to do when a well heeled person wins) is that if you buy a ticket, you have a right to win.  The lottery is not or is at least not supposed to be an extension of the state welfare program. 

                        I absolutely agree that if someone wins a significant enough amount of money that would disqualify them from government aid programs, they should be removed from the program, obviously.  But if someone wins a decent; but not exactly life changing amount, their case should be REVIEWED to see what levels of aid they still qualify for.  If someone wins $ 500, I don't really think that qualifies as an amount worthy of removing them from the a state aid program that they need to survive.  I'd like to see them have the latitude to invest that sum in moving them toward gainful employment.

                        Determining whether or not someone should be on government assistance should be based on assets and income; no matter what their source.  If the state wants to track lottery winners on state aid, fine.  But their evaluation should not be prejudicial.  There should be a consistent evaluation of ANYONE on the welfare rolls.  But lottery winners are an easy target.  Now if someone wins a pretty large amount...and is still on the rolls, I would be in favor of not only removing them; but pressing criminal charges.  These people aren't doing bad because they won the lottery; it's because they haven't declared a change in their status or increase in assets or income.

                        I Agree!

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                          Yeah, that's nice, you need assistance to pay your bills and/or you don't work, but have money to spend on lotto tickets. Just like the homeless here in Vegas going from car to car at the intersections...they have no money for food, but have money for cigarettes. Confused

                          sounds like connecticut....trendy clothes...medicre cars...plenty of gas to keep driving around the block..and plentyof newport cigs  to go around yet no job ,they're on section8..foods stamps..fuel assistance.

                           

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                            anyone 65+ on Social Security checks don't worry they can't take you moneyNo Nod

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                              I didn't think you were that old!  Eek

                              your funny LOL

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