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Ultimate Poker to become first legal, real-money online poker site in US

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Posted: May 1, 2013, 10:48 am - IP Logged

I like whiteballz.......  A little over  reactive but that's to be expected at times......

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    all I wrote was, "I can imagine a bunch of VPNs will be set up in the state of Nevada."

    That is all I wrote and nothing more. Do not read more into what I wrote.

    I never wrote that using a VPN and only a VPN alone was some kind of magic bullet that would circumvent all the security measures that would be designed to prevent out of state poker players from playing online poker.

    Read what I wrote again and show me where I said that using a VPN and a VPN alone would get you around all the security measures. You won't find anything like that in what I wrote.

    Perhaps the use of a VPN in conjunction with some other method, for example but not limited to, buying a cheap pre-paid cell phone from Wal-mart and storing it in a Nevada location, etc, etc, etc....may allow someone outside of Nevada to play online poker or then again, there may be no way to get around the security measures but that doesn't mean people will not set up VPNs in Nevada in an attempt to try. All this is beside the point because all I wrote was:

    "I can imagine a bunch of VPNs will be set up in the state of Nevada."

    If you came to the conclusion that I was saying using a VPN alone was going to get you passed all the security measures then that is your own fault because I never wrote that.

    I Agree! You picked it apart bro.


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      Posted: May 1, 2013, 10:51 am - IP Logged

                                    See Ya!

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        Posted: May 1, 2013, 10:56 am - IP Logged

        I like whiteballz.......  A little over  reactive but that's to be expected at times......

        Jammy is the leader by light years///   Rocket Man burns up the fuse alone.

        I would never imply helpmewin would be into any improper services that is why I used the wink emoticon because it was a joke.

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          Posted: May 1, 2013, 11:01 am - IP Logged

          I would never imply helpmewin would be into any improper services that is why I used the wink emoticon because it was a joke.

          Copy that. I tend to be supportive of improper services..... And in Nevada I think its just "services" Green laugh

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            Posted: May 1, 2013, 11:55 am - IP Logged

            I agree with the cash cow part, but not on the length of time. Maybe, one year at the most, if Nv publishes the amout of money they collected. You know, politicians are one greedy bunch, including Replublicans. Let me take a stab at the next state, IL.

            What we really need is interstate online poker and eventually international just like it was before the Unlawful Gambling Act was passed. In KY it was illegal to play online poker years before Black Monday, but it's still legal to bet on horse racing online. We see the same hypocrisy in many of the lottery states.

            Illinois, Georgia, New Jersey, and D.C. should be the next jurisdictions offering online poker and probably before the end of the year. MUSL is the obvious choice to start interstate online poker and the participating states could just sit back and collect their share of the profits.

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              Posted: May 1, 2013, 7:06 pm - IP Logged

              What we really need is interstate online poker and eventually international just like it was before the Unlawful Gambling Act was passed. In KY it was illegal to play online poker years before Black Monday, but it's still legal to bet on horse racing online. We see the same hypocrisy in many of the lottery states.

              Illinois, Georgia, New Jersey, and D.C. should be the next jurisdictions offering online poker and probably before the end of the year. MUSL is the obvious choice to start interstate online poker and the participating states could just sit back and collect their share of the profits.

              I agree that we really need interstate online poker, that'd be great!

               

              But I don't want the MUSL and the state lotteries all involved....  It's better off being private industry.

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                Posted: May 1, 2013, 7:08 pm - IP Logged

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                WTF is your problem?  None of us had even posted here.

                 

                Seriously dude what is wrong with you?  Seriously dude, get some help.  If you seriously can't stop thinking about a couple people disagreeing with your non-math based assumptions about lottery play that badly.... you really need to talk to someone about your life or something.

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                  Posted: May 1, 2013, 10:37 pm - IP Logged

                  I am curious how they will keep people who are not Nevada residents out. I wonder if using a dialup internet account in Nevada would get around the IP address thing. As for an address, a mail drop in Nevada might solve that and as for a Nevada phone number, that's easy to get too. It will be interesting.

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                    Posted: May 2, 2013, 6:20 pm - IP Logged

                    I agree that we really need interstate online poker, that'd be great!

                     

                    But I don't want the MUSL and the state lotteries all involved....  It's better off being private industry.

                    The reason Nevada is restricting online poker to state residence is because there are no Federal regulations. Until that happens each state will have the same restriction. It's possible after more states go online, Congress will do something.

                    I suggested MUSL as a starter because of the number of lotteries, but Ultimate Poker will probably hook up one or more of the other states and Poker Stars will probably get a shot at a site because they helped the Feds with the Full Tilt problem.

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                      Posted: May 2, 2013, 6:25 pm - IP Logged

                      I am curious how they will keep people who are not Nevada residents out. I wonder if using a dialup internet account in Nevada would get around the IP address thing. As for an address, a mail drop in Nevada might solve that and as for a Nevada phone number, that's easy to get too. It will be interesting.

                      The players will need to open an account with real names, addresses, bank routing and account numbers, and SS numbers. Once that is set up, I'm assuming any Nevada resident can play from anywhere online.

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                        Posted: May 2, 2013, 8:53 pm - IP Logged

                        all I wrote was, "I can imagine a bunch of VPNs will be set up in the state of Nevada."

                        That is all I wrote and nothing more. Do not read more into what I wrote.

                        I never wrote that using a VPN and only a VPN alone was some kind of magic bullet that would circumvent all the security measures that would be designed to prevent out of state poker players from playing online poker.

                        Read what I wrote again and show me where I said that using a VPN and a VPN alone would get you around all the security measures. You won't find anything like that in what I wrote.

                        Perhaps the use of a VPN in conjunction with some other method, for example but not limited to, buying a cheap pre-paid cell phone from Wal-mart and storing it in a Nevada location, etc, etc, etc....may allow someone outside of Nevada to play online poker or then again, there may be no way to get around the security measures but that doesn't mean people will not set up VPNs in Nevada in an attempt to try. All this is beside the point because all I wrote was:

                        "I can imagine a bunch of VPNs will be set up in the state of Nevada."

                        If you came to the conclusion that I was saying using a VPN alone was going to get you passed all the security measures then that is your own fault because I never wrote that.

                        Now, now anyone who has even a little knowledge of the net knows that VPN's are solely used as a tool to get around/circumvent your own ISP's or coutries ability to block you out from some sites and other things. Just like the music companies that don't allow you to download some songs that the artist haven't gave permisson for d/l in the US (we know the reason behind that.... it's called Royalites). So some here will use VPN's in some other countires to "circumvent" their ISP's blocking of their activities to d/l those songs in the country where that VPN is located!!!  SO GET REAL DUDE and do your crying elsewhere about what I read into your "STATEMENT". Remember I didn't make the comment about a bunch of VPN's being setup in the state of Nevada, YOU DID!!!! Sorry I know what most people use VPN's for and SO DO YOU, otherwise you wouldn't have made the comment in the context that you did in the first place!!!!!

                        Keep dreaming the impossible dream, it just may come true! Thumbs Up

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                          Posted: May 2, 2013, 10:41 pm - IP Logged

                          The reason Nevada is restricting online poker to state residence is because there are no Federal regulations. Until that happens each state will have the same restriction. It's possible after more states go online, Congress will do something.

                          I suggested MUSL as a starter because of the number of lotteries, but Ultimate Poker will probably hook up one or more of the other states and Poker Stars will probably get a shot at a site because they helped the Feds with the Full Tilt problem.

                          I've been following it pretty closely, because I am a poker enthusiast, I can say that you're mostly right here, but I think you're mixing a couple things up.

                           

                          Nevada is restricting it to in state because the DOJ released a statement saying that it's interpretation of the Wire Act only deals with interstate communications/wagers.  Prior to that, the assumption was the DOJ would interpret interstate as "within the US."  Therefore, online gambling WITHIN a state is fine.  The Nevada law (IIRC, I know this is true of the NJ law I'm just pretty sure about Nevada) the thing you are referring to is about the clause that states that interstate can be an option IF the Federal Government changes it's regulations on online gambling.

                           

                          As for PokerStars, I certainly hope so.  They're having to jump through ridiculous hoops in NJ, and the papers are being completely unfair to them.  Sensationalism in the media, I guess.

                           

                          But heck no, I don't want the MUSL in this.  Honestly I'd hate that.  It's ruin competition, and I want plenty of competition to keep fees and rake low.

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                            Posted: May 2, 2013, 10:43 pm - IP Logged

                            The players will need to open an account with real names, addresses, bank routing and account numbers, and SS numbers. Once that is set up, I'm assuming any Nevada resident can play from anywhere online.

                            You don't have to be a Nevada resident, but you do have to be located in the State to play.

                             

                            So if I was on a trip to Nevada, I could play, despite being a NJ resident.  I couldn't, however, play from NJ on the Nevada sites.

                             

                            As for how they're gonna know you're in the state?  I know there are a few technologies that can do that, and I know they considered a few.  I'm not sure what they ended up using, though.

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                              Posted: May 2, 2013, 11:04 pm - IP Logged

                              Yep your right! i have bank accounts & addresss in 3 states Next stop Reno Dance