Mega Millions multi-state lottery to get harder to win in Oct.

May 20, 2013, 6:14 am (311 comments)

Mega Millions

Come this fall, winning the multi-state Mega Millions lottery jackpot will become even more difficult in the 45 states and jurisdictions that offer the lotto game.

The consortium that operates Mega Millions is upping the odds to 1 in about 258.9 million that someone picks all six numbers right.

The current odds are 1 in about 175.7 million that a person correctly chooses five of 56 numbered white balls and one of 46 gold balls.

The odds will change under a new format for the Oct. 22 drawing. Players will choose five of 75 white balls and one of 15 gold balls.

For comparison, the odds of winning either Powerball or Mega Millions are about the same right now. Powerball is 1 in about 175.2 million.

The goal is to increase sales. Making winning more difficult might seem counter-intuitive to selling more tickets, but big jackpots drive sales.

"The idea is not to keep more money but to raise more money," South Dakota Lottery Commission lottery director Norm Lingle told commissioners. "Unfortunately, the way to make jackpots grow bigger is to make it more difficult to win," he said.

South Dakota and several other states were back-doored into selling Mega Millions in 2010. A national deal reached between Powerball states and Mega Millions states resulted in all of them selling both games. South Dakota was a Powerball state.

The changes coming for Mega Millions will keep the overall odds of winning some prize at 1 in 40, according to Joe Willingham, who oversees sales of lotto and instant ticket games for the South Dakota Lottery.

He said smaller prizes will become easier to win.

The proof of a big jackpot's attraction came in late November 2012 as the Mega Millions top prize surpassed $660 million.

South Dakota sales spiked to $2.4 million and plunged back to the $500,000 neighborhood after the jackpot was won.

"We got an extra million in sales just out of that one draw," Willingham said.

Fifty cents from each dollar spent by Mega Millions players in South Dakota goes to the Mega Millions organization for prizes and administration.

The South Dakota Lottery keeps the other 50 cents to pay retailer commissions and expenses, with profits used for specific purposes of state government.

South Dakota already offered four lotto games — Powerball, Hot Lotto, Wild Card 2 and Dakota Cash — when Mega Millions was added.

As to some commission members wondering whether South Dakota has to accept the change in Mega Millions odds, Willingham said, "We're part of this, or we can't have the game."

Profits from sales of all five lotto games totaled $9.4 million for the 2012 fiscal year that ended June 30, 2012.

Lotto sales through 44 weeks of the 2013 fiscal year stood at $26.17 million. They were at $24.02 million at the 44-week mark a year ago.

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Comments

BuyLow's avatarBuyLow

Oh great.... now it's going to be more difficult than getting struck by lightning while getting eaten by a shark.

The new changes will make it so hard you will have to get struck by lightning while getting eaten by a shark while downhill skiing naked.

 

At least we can buy tickets now in FL Crazy

Jill34786's avatarJill34786

Not only will it be more difficult to win the grand prize but the odds on the 2nd tier prize will go up over 400%. Curious to see what they bump the payout for 2nd place.
There are many states that offer in-state lottery games with much better odds and higher jackpots than 2nd place in MM.

jackpotismine's avatarjackpotismine

I think that these changes are going to attract the average players when the jackpot gets really high. People that study lotteries or track them will probably play less until the jackpot shoots up really high. Just my two-cents.

Jill34786's avatarJill34786

I Agree! I rarely play as it is so it will take an enormous jackpot for people like myself to donate.

GiveFive's avatarGiveFive

Given that we're seeing more frequent PB jackpots since January of 2012 when PB raised it's price per line to two dollars,  I'm guessing that MM has learned from PB's experience.

There's no doubt that large JP's drive increased sales.  MM has seen what happened with PB.  They too want more large JP's, but probably dont want to raise the price of a line to two bucks.  Could this be their way of getting more frequent large JP's without raising the cost per line?

jackpotismine's avatarjackpotismine

Quote: Originally posted by GiveFive on May 20, 2013

Given that we're seeing more frequent PB jackpots since January of 2012 when PB raised it's price per line to two dollars,  I'm guessing that MM has learned from PB's experience.

There's no doubt that large JP's drive increased sales.  MM has seen what happened with PB.  They too want more large JP's, but probably dont want to raise the price of a line to two bucks.  Could this be their way of getting more frequent large JP's without raising the cost per line?

I agree. That's the ONLY way.

HiFi's avatarHiFi

how greedy can they get?  i guess there is no limit to greed.  everybody should boycott this because that is terrible odds.

CLETU$

Quote: Originally posted by HiFi on May 20, 2013

how greedy can they get?  i guess there is no limit to greed.  everybody should boycott this because that is terrible odds.

I,for one,will NOT fall into line like a nice little sheep and go along with being fleeced out of my money by a greedy lottery commission!I will boycot this decision and refuse to buy MM tickets.I have one ticket left for tomorrow nights jackpot and then that's it for me.

Tatototman65's avatarTatototman65

Boycott time...

Smile

jackpotismine's avatarjackpotismine

Quote: Originally posted by CLETU$ on May 20, 2013

I,for one,will NOT fall into line like a nice little sheep and go along with being fleeced out of my money by a greedy lottery commission!I will boycot this decision and refuse to buy MM tickets.I have one ticket left for tomorrow nights jackpot and then that's it for me.

It's not really greed as much as it is common sense. The masses will throw down a buck or two for a chance at a HUGH jackpot and that's what they are counting on. This was evident buy the $590 million jackpot. People go crazy and impulsive when the Jackpots are high. So who is the greedy one, the players or the government? I say both. Ha..ha. I'll be quite happy with winning a million or two.

Tatototman65's avatarTatototman65

^^^

I believe people go crazy and impulsive when jackpots are high because it rarely happens. With a game that's ALWAYS high with even worse odds, I don't think people will go lotto crazy that much, if at all.

Smile

smooth11484's avatarsmooth11484

Quote: Originally posted by jackpotismine on May 20, 2013

It's not really greed as much as it is common sense. The masses will throw down a buck or two for a chance at a HUGH jackpot and that's what they are counting on. This was evident buy the $590 million jackpot. People go crazy and impulsive when the Jackpots are high. So who is the greedy one, the players or the government? I say both. Ha..ha. I'll be quite happy with winning a million or two.

its greedy because instead of letting the megamill hit 1 every two weeks or so, so people like you and me know its possible to hit. they wanna make it harder to raise jackpot thinking that more people will play tricking us thinking ahh its a big jack pot let me throw a extra dollar on. the aticle clearly states that its made like that to raise more money. (not for us) well no one can not deny that they would not play mega millions more if somebody hits jackpot atleast 2 times a month rather than a large jackpot 1 every 2 months

jackpotismine's avatarjackpotismine

Quote: Originally posted by smooth11484 on May 20, 2013

its greedy because instead of letting the megamill hit 1 every two weeks or so, so people like you and me know its possible to hit. they wanna make it harder to raise jackpot thinking that more people will play tricking us thinking ahh its a big jack pot let me throw a extra dollar on. the aticle clearly states that its made like that to raise more money. (not for us) well no one can not deny that they would not play mega millions more if somebody hits jackpot atleast 2 times a month rather than a large jackpot 1 every 2 months

Remember that Lotteries in general are there to benefit the government (black projects,bribes,pet projects, high salaries,etc.) first and foremost. Why do you think they stop online gambling for the most part. They are the 'mafia's' of the world. They and only they can profit from gambling. Everyone else gets shut down. Anyway, I wonder how high will it go once this is in place, $1 billion? $2 billion? Wow! That would be something.

ashabug725's avatarashabug725

Quote: Originally posted by Tatototman65 on May 20, 2013

^^^

I believe people go crazy and impulsive when jackpots are high because it rarely happens. With a game that's ALWAYS high with even worse odds, I don't think people will go lotto crazy that much, if at all.

Smile

I Agree!

Win$500Quick's avatarWin$500Quick

Wow! Florida players finally get Mega Millions and then they decide to make the game harder. It may be time for all players to return to playing their state lotteries only. A Dollar and A Dream.

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

oK Smiley

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on May 20, 2013

oK Smiley

Probably thinking" We can make these odds as high as we want too, you folk will follow"

rcbbuckeye's avatarrcbbuckeye

Quote: Originally posted by Win$500Quick on May 20, 2013

Wow! Florida players finally get Mega Millions and then they decide to make the game harder. It may be time for all players to return to playing their state lotteries only. A Dollar and A Dream.

Just thinking that myself this morning. I can retire on Texas Lotto if I'm ever lucky enough to hit that. Odds are 26 million to 1.

Piaceri

Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on May 20, 2013

Just thinking that myself this morning. I can retire on Texas Lotto if I'm ever lucky enough to hit that. Odds are 26 million to 1.

Yeah, but they screwed that one up, too.

However, not as bad as they are screwing up MM.

bigguy5's avatarbigguy5

Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on May 20, 2013

Just thinking that myself this morning. I can retire on Texas Lotto if I'm ever lucky enough to hit that. Odds are 26 million to 1.

  thanks,   you are  right,   they  target   people  that  are  not  gamblers,    i  don,t  play  the  PB.  more,

  now  i want  be  playing  the MM.  IT  RIP  OFF,

rock_nc's avatarrock_nc

Can't win MM now as it is, After OCT, won't be playing anyways. Odds are going to be against us!

schmuckatelly's avatarschmuckatelly

Quote: Originally posted by Win$500Quick on May 20, 2013

Wow! Florida players finally get Mega Millions and then they decide to make the game harder. It may be time for all players to return to playing their state lotteries only. A Dollar and A Dream.

I remember when the starting jackpot in Florida was 7 million and that was with 1 drawing per week. Now it takes 2 weeks to get to 7 million. Still better odds then PB or MM. I'll just stick to my MegaMoney.

peppy007

I have a feeling this decision was just recently made. I truly believe mm was threatened by pb coming close to taking down their record jackpot.  I really believe they wanna become the world's first lottery to hold a one billion jackpot and enjoy the publicity that comes with it. Look folks if not for that one ticket in Florida,  pb would have become the holder of the worlds first billion dollar jackpot. And we would all be emptying out our bank accounts for a chance at it. Lol.

Ronnie316

"The idea is not to keep more money but to raise more money,"

This statement sounds deceptive considering, the more they "raise" the more they keep.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on May 20, 2013

Probably thinking" We can make these odds as high as we want too, you folk will follow"

You say "jump" I say "how high"?

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by on Jun 5, 2024

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Stack47

"Players will choose five of 75 white balls and one of 15 gold balls. " and "The changes coming for Mega Millions will keep the overall odds of winning some prize at 1 in 40,"

The odds of matching one of the bonus numbers is 14 to 1 and to keep the overall odds at 40 to 1 means there will be no payoff for matching the bonus number. The odds of matching 5 + 0 will be 17,259,390 which is higher than a 6/49 lotto game.

The only thing that might make it worthwhile playing this game is when the jackpot reaches the buying frenzy point, but who knows how long that will take. I guess the idea is for a small group of players to contribute every week until the jackpot reaches the "must win" level and then the majority of the players will start buying tickets.

Do the players really want to have one $590 million winner or 12 $50million winners because with these odds, there won't be many split jackpots?

surimaribo24's avatarsurimaribo24

Quote: Originally posted by BuyLow on May 20, 2013

Oh great.... now it's going to be more difficult than getting struck by lightning while getting eaten by a shark.

The new changes will make it so hard you will have to get struck by lightning while getting eaten by a shark while downhill skiing naked.

 

At least we can buy tickets now in FL Crazy

ROFL

u980044

This is a terrible, terrible idea and is likely to backfire.  How are you going to get to bigger jackpots when players now know that their chances of winning the jackpot (which was already much too improbable) has now unbelievably gotten even more improbable.  You are going from an outrageous 1 in 175.7 mil to an even more outrageous 1 in 258.9 mil.  Where I used to play twice per week, I am now likely to play once per week.  Where I used to buy two tickets, I am now likely to buy just one ticket.  With the new even more impossible odds, all you have done is finally convinced me that I should now play less or not play at all.  You are undoubtedly going to turn people away from the game.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on May 20, 2013

"Players will choose five of 75 white balls and one of 15 gold balls. " and "The changes coming for Mega Millions will keep the overall odds of winning some prize at 1 in 40,"

The odds of matching one of the bonus numbers is 14 to 1 and to keep the overall odds at 40 to 1 means there will be no payoff for matching the bonus number. The odds of matching 5 + 0 will be 17,259,390 which is higher than a 6/49 lotto game.

The only thing that might make it worthwhile playing this game is when the jackpot reaches the buying frenzy point, but who knows how long that will take. I guess the idea is for a small group of players to contribute every week until the jackpot reaches the "must win" level and then the majority of the players will start buying tickets.

Do the players really want to have one $590 million winner or 12 $50million winners because with these odds, there won't be many split jackpots?

I seriously doubt that a core group will want to contribute draw after draw so that someone (like boney) can come along and spend $10. and win a huge jackpot once or twice a year.

They would be BETTER served by lowering the odds (5/50 + 1/45) and charging $4. per line.

That would be $20. for a 5 line card and even more people would start playing.

dr65's avatardr65

Isn't raising more money the same as keeping more money?
Their bottom line is making money.
What makes me sick is the frenzy that goes along with jp's that rise to
impossible amounts. Everyone wants a piece which is natural but not
everyone can afford what they spend to chase a dream. 1/258M odds?
I'll bet most people won't even know what that means for the 5, 10 or
100 block of plays they purchase.
This change was made to create record selling days leading up to a huge
jp draw night. Honestly they should be ashamed of themselves but the
reason shame is not an issue is there is a big payout to be won and
someone will win it...eventually. That erases all responsibility and guilt
and makes the reality of what they're doing easy to ignore.
Their goal is big profits, they don't care whose dollar is funding the pot.
This move makes them predators...not beneficiaries.

tymack

Quote: Originally posted by schmuckatelly on May 20, 2013

I remember when the starting jackpot in Florida was 7 million and that was with 1 drawing per week. Now it takes 2 weeks to get to 7 million. Still better odds then PB or MM. I'll just stick to my MegaMoney.

I Agree!

Ronnie316

Raising the odds without raising the price is just plain stupid. If they want to increase revenue they should offer shared jackpots. For a price.

Prob988

This should finish off the killing of this game.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by Prob988 on May 20, 2013

This should finish off the killing of this game.

I Agree! The idea of creating a "frenzy" wont work if it takes a year to get there.

dallascowboyfan's avatardallascowboyfan

Bang Head

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Dear Mega Millions,

Enclosed is $2 that I was going to play on MM but I decided why not skip the formality of playing and just send the money in.

I do want to thank you though for giving me Pick 3 and 4 numbers,

258

2589

7515.

See Ya!

__________________________________________________

LP members,

Remember the threads about at what point would you stop playing a game, what size matrix, what price?

Some people said, "Never, I'll play no matter what".

Think this board isn't monitored by lottery officials?

dallascowboyfan's avatardallascowboyfan

Quote: Originally posted by rock_nc on May 20, 2013

Can't win MM now as it is, After OCT, won't be playing anyways. Odds are going to be against us!

Thumbs Up

CowboysFan's avatarCowboysFan

Well it looks like I will be sticking with the Super Lotto Plus and its 1 in 42,000,000 odds.

rooster8786

It will only work to make jackpots larger if people keep playing. When average amount players realize they CANNOT really win, they will sit on the siedlines and wait.  So yes the jackpot will grow, however it will take longer to get there because fewer people will be playing early in the game...

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by rooster8786 on May 20, 2013

It will only work to make jackpots larger if people keep playing. When average amount players realize they CANNOT really win, they will sit on the siedlines and wait.  So yes the jackpot will grow, however it will take longer to get there because fewer people will be playing early in the game...

Right, and after waiting a year for the jackpot to grow it will be a yawner.

u980044

Agreed.  People are now likely to play less frequently and likely to purchase less tickets so it would definitely take a long, long time for the jackpot to grow to a "huge" amount.  Most people would prefer having the more frequent opportunity to win "smaller" jackpots, albeit with crazy odds, than waiting around for a very, very long time for "huge" jackpots with far, far more impossible odds at winning.  What a terrible, terrible idea!

Editgap

Okay, so kill the dream and take the money.

I was never a fan of huge jackpot frenzies, but it gets none players to try their hand because the saw it on the news.

It wouldn't be any fun trying to track numbers to play. But I am a sucker too, I'll wait for the impossible huge jackpots.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by u980044 on May 20, 2013

Agreed.  People are now likely to play less frequently and likely to purchase less tickets so it would definitely take a long, long time for the jackpot to grow to a "huge" amount.  Most people would prefer having the more frequent opportunity to win "smaller" jackpots, albeit with crazy odds, than waiting around for a very, very long time for "huge" jackpots with far, far more impossible odds at winning.  What a terrible, terrible idea!

Huge jackpots are the big draw. No doubt about that. But higher odds only ensures that NO ONE will win for a very long time. Have players pay more AND offering a shared jackpot (for a price) would solve both issues.

Saylorgirl's avatarSaylorgirl

Didn't it just take 19 rolls for the mega millions to get to 190 million?  It will take forever at those odds to get it in the realm of playing for a higher jackpot.  I play every draw now but I will sit back and wait for it to get huge before I will waste money on those odds.

RedStang's avatarRedStang

Now that almost every State has both, they would be better off combining mm & pb and playing them the same 4 days. The jackpots could start high enough to attract more players and rise faster to spark a frenzy. It's the only way i could see justifying 75 numbers.  LOL, Maddogs challenge will be impossible now.

NoShame's avatarNoShame

I agree that it makes no sense in the long run.  People know that there's a huge difference in odds between 175million and 258 million and sales will show this if the recent 600 million Powerball has shown us.

Arrowhead's avatarArrowhead

Screw MM and PB. Sure, when jackpots get over $100 mil I'll buy a ticket or two.

Other than that, it's Ohio and Mich. Lottos. Live close enough to state line I can do both.

Either jackpot, even at minimum, gets me to retirement.

No Hawaii beach-front property, no fleet of new cars, no jet-set lifestyle. Just comfortable. And I can live with comfortable.

Carl8080

A better idea would had been two dollars per ticket 60 white balls and 40 red balls with jackpots starting at 50 millions then you would steal powerball thunder but your greed blinds you Mr.mega millions.

Ronnie316

I vote $4. per ticket.

Ronnie316

Todd's avatarTodd

Many people were extremely vocal when Powerball went to $2 per ticket, but it is undeniable at this point what a stroke of genius it was — and how gutsy the Powerball organizers were in putting it through.

The brilliance is not just that there would be more money coming in for jackpots (at $2 per ticket), but that by raising the ticket price without making the game any easier to win it almost guaranteed huge jackpots — and thereby bring in even more sales!

Think about it:  in order for the game to perform exactly the way it was before the price increase, they would only have to sell half as many tickets as before (because the price doubled).  And by selling fewer tickets, the jackpot would be much more likely to roll each time.  And then when the jackpot gets to record levels (like it did last week), everyone and their uncle would still buy tickets, because the $2 price is not a "barrier to entry" at that jackpot level.  And even with all those tickets sold and money rolling in, the jackpot still had a 1-in-5 chance of rolling.

So those calling for a price increase of Mega Millions, rather than making the game harder to win, may be on to something.  But I think ultimately the lotteries want the two games to be different, and to still offer a big multi-state game at a $1 ticket price.

It will be interesting to watch and compare to Powerball!

KSI30

Quote: Originally posted by schmuckatelly on May 20, 2013

I remember when the starting jackpot in Florida was 7 million and that was with 1 drawing per week. Now it takes 2 weeks to get to 7 million. Still better odds then PB or MM. I'll just stick to my MegaMoney.

I agree with you on that. Mega Money & Florida lotto

Jill34786's avatarJill34786

Quote: Originally posted by Saylorgirl on May 20, 2013

Didn't it just take 19 rolls for the mega millions to get to 190 million?  It will take forever at those odds to get it in the realm of playing for a higher jackpot.  I play every draw now but I will sit back and wait for it to get huge before I will waste money on those odds.

It sure did! The record MM jackpot of $656 million took 19 rolls as well. What a difference a year makes!

ressuccess's avatarressuccess

Good luck to the people in this game.

New York's avatarNew York

OMG. This is new. Hopefully it works. With an implementation like this, we could finally see an $1 Billion Jackpot. Anythings possible. :)

Here's Tuesdays MM winning numbers:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jY9gnohBM7Y

ShowMeTheMoney$'s avatarShowMeTheMoney$

If it's not broke, don't fix it.  I thought Mega Millions is fine the way it is.  This does seem like a very greedy move.  It really puts the shaft to the lottery players and has a huge chance of backfiring. 

Who wants more difficult odds???  Not ME!!! Banana

Piaceri

It sounds like this may be a boon to the state lotto games. I guess that explains why Texas Lotto stopped the $1m minimum jackpot increase per draw and added the "plus" factor. I buy fewer of those tickets, as I'm sure others do, too. I'll be buying fewer MM also as I'm in it to win the JP, not the lower winnings.

Any word on increased payouts for non jackpot wins? Or higher starting point?

ShowMeTheMoney$'s avatarShowMeTheMoney$

This reminds me of when New Coke was introduced.  People hated it.  I think people missed the old stuff.  So they brought back Old Coke.  This was a HUGE mistake!  I bet people got fired over that mess.  Maybe this will happen to Mega Millions too.  If it doesn't work out, they might bring back old Mega Millions. 

Maybe or maybe not???  Banana

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