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800+ Michigan Lottery winners kicked off public assistance in 2013

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Posted: October 26, 2014, 8:55 am - IP Logged

When you work full time and cannot buy some of the things people on public assistance buy with your money then it leaves a sour taste in your mouth. When you start feeling sorry for those lottery winners kicked out of public assistance then think of the national debt which stood at $17,899,001,165,158 in September 2014. And it's still growing. 

You know that whole scare you with the amount of the national debt thing is just a psychological scam. Does anyone believe really deep down inside that it will ever be zero?? Or heck even something payable?? Cmon we've outsourced just about everything there is in this country that is made. I saw a little US flag on display at the checkout line of a dollar general it even had a made in China tag on it LOL, so the national debt can quadruple from what it is now, it will never be anything more than just numbers on a billboard to me, they are not going to scare me with some numbers on a page period


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    Posted: October 26, 2014, 9:36 am - IP Logged

    Why isn't the lottery also busting cheats in Michigan?  There's no way that many people could possibly win.

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      Posted: October 26, 2014, 10:17 am - IP Logged

      "...it will never be anything more than just numbers on a billboard to me..."


      That's because you're not very bright.

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        Posted: October 26, 2014, 11:39 am - IP Logged

        Funny how this saved $2 million dollars. They should go after tax loopholes and tax avoiders along with spending cuts instead of going after lottery winners getting public aid. They are less than a percent of the issue the state is facing and these lawmakers are wasting their time right now. Unhappy

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          Posted: October 26, 2014, 1:54 pm - IP Logged

          You know that whole scare you with the amount of the national debt thing is just a psychological scam. Does anyone believe really deep down inside that it will ever be zero?? Or heck even something payable?? Cmon we've outsourced just about everything there is in this country that is made. I saw a little US flag on display at the checkout line of a dollar general it even had a made in China tag on it LOL, so the national debt can quadruple from what it is now, it will never be anything more than just numbers on a billboard to me, they are not going to scare me with some numbers on a page period

          Do you not think that one day the lenders will want their money back? Unless we bomb them all to oblivion, that day will come. The first thing Hillary Clinton did as the Sec'y of State was to go to China and plead with them to not stop buying US treasury securities.

          That money's gone fo ever

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            You know that whole scare you with the amount of the national debt thing is just a psychological scam. Does anyone believe really deep down inside that it will ever be zero?? Or heck even something payable?? Cmon we've outsourced just about everything there is in this country that is made. I saw a little US flag on display at the checkout line of a dollar general it even had a made in China tag on it LOL, so the national debt can quadruple from what it is now, it will never be anything more than just numbers on a billboard to me, they are not going to scare me with some numbers on a page period

            If the national debt quadruplet thereby exceeding $70 trillion, you don't have to worry about being scared because most of us will be dead due to the chaos resulting from a global financial meltdown.

            Financial or economics 101 might be a wise choice for you to consider.

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              Posted: October 26, 2014, 5:59 pm - IP Logged

              Do you not think that one day the lenders will want their money back? Unless we bomb them all to oblivion, that day will come. The first thing Hillary Clinton did as the Sec'y of State was to go to China and plead with them to not stop buying US treasury securities.

              Don't waste your time as some people will never understand.

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                Posted: October 26, 2014, 6:07 pm - IP Logged

                Won a million dollar JP and ended up with less than a grand,  I think I would have taken a

                few others out first.

                RL

                She netted more than $400k from the lottery. I was referring to the food stamps she received after she collected her lottery winnings which amounted to less than a thousand dollars.

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                  How I figure, very simple. I see it all the time here in Baltimore in which people who have independence cards sell their benefits to a grocery shopper (discounting benefit) for CASH! The person on welfare then takes the cash and buy drugs, alcohol and gamble with it.

                  Following the trends and patterns means following the money!Banana

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                    Do you not think that one day the lenders will want their money back? Unless we bomb them all to oblivion, that day will come. The first thing Hillary Clinton did as the Sec'y of State was to go to China and plead with them to not stop buying US treasury securities.

                    Most of it is banker debt.  Look up what financial derivatives are

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                      How I figure, very simple. I see it all the time here in Baltimore in which people who have independence cards sell their benefits to a grocery shopper (discounting benefit) for CASH! The person on welfare then takes the cash and buy drugs, alcohol and gamble with it.

                      Very common where I live.

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                        Posted: October 27, 2014, 9:17 pm - IP Logged

                        The state doesn't care when they spend  and lose the money, they're greedy, they only care when when they win!

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                          Posted: October 28, 2014, 5:18 am - IP Logged

                          Most of it is banker debt.  Look up what financial derivatives are

                          yeah,  they just had a crack down this summer central  Florida way on some small grocers and independent stores that were playing the food stamp monopoly game.   And the first thing they did was pull out their lottery equipment.  Some of them had had been in business for years.

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                            Posted: October 29, 2014, 3:20 pm - IP Logged

                            Interesting topic for a bunch of interesting reasons. Everyone has their own preconceived notions of what someone on public assistance or welfare looks like. I can also see how politicians would want to be a part of this.

                            This almost has to be looked at case-by-case, though. I can see where the egregious and obvious violators are an issue, but it is a slippery slope.

                            Imagine someone in their 30s who in all honesty cannot work wins a $1m prize and takes home $600 k after taxes. She buys a modest home and invests a couple hundred thousand for long term retirement. Is that responsible spending? Should she be kicked of public assistance? She bettered her life and long-term prospects, but may still need some help month-to-month. Should there have been some intervention or outreach to help her structure how she spends the winnings?

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                              Posted: October 31, 2014, 6:45 pm - IP Logged

                              It's very simple, in two ways.

                               

                              One of which has already been discussed here, and that is by selling their benefits. The most common method is either by buy the food and selling it at a discount or by simply selling the food stamps themselves. Either or... a popular thing around here is to go and buy a bunch of premium packages of steak and sell it at half price.

                               

                               

                              Then the other scenarios. And before I explain I'm going to preface this by saying that not EVERY person who receives these kinds of benefits does these illegal things. I am not profiling or stereotyping them.

                               

                              A lot of people on benefits sell them, or sell prescription drugs (paid for by their benefits) and non prescription drugs. So they have this illegal source of income, with little to no initial expense to them. Then most of them are in housing that is very cheap, because of their financial status and along with that many are on utility assistance programs. Unless they go hog wild and sell ALL of their food stamps, then they also get free food and access to the local food pantry. I know of people who do these kinds of things, and wind up eating peanut butter and jelly all the time because of how cheap it is. $20 worth of the stuff can feed you for a week. Most times those items are included in food pantry offerings as well.

                               

                              So since they don't have to pay for their own housing, utilities or food they can use whatever cash they do get as they choose. One can argue that "this is their own free cash" but they wouldn't have it to spend if they were paying their own bills or not paying significantly reduced bills because of their assistance.

                               

                               

                              On the topic of cutting off lottery winners that receive benefits:

                               

                              Someone that wins $1,000 is a far cry different then those winning $10,000, $50,000, $100,000 or even $1,000,000+

                              Should a person that wins a few hundred dollars be thrown out of these programs? No. 

                              Do people who win tens upon tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars deserve to stay on these programs? No.

                               

                              Each case I'm sure is different. I feel that the family who won the $4,000,000.00 should most certainly be on their own.

                              On the flip side, how long does $1,000 last these days... or even $10,000. Not very long. . These benefits are for those who need them.

                              When you become a millionaire you no longer need food stamps or housing assistance.