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Wisconsin man repeats same feat of winning multiple lottery jackpots

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RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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Posted: February 5, 2015, 3:38 pm - IP Logged

Adamson's attorney said in a statement that a mathematical equation was used to pick the numbers, and they are exploring patent protection for the trade secret.

A lot of good that's going to do, once it's patented do he really think he will be the only one allowed to play the game that way?  Or that the state won't change or eliminate the game? 

If this is another situation like Massachusetts had with its Windfall game then he would be better off doing like the Michigan couple who took advantage of the situation before it ended.

Even when everyone playing the Massachusetts Windfall game knew of its flaws most couldn't afford to gamble the amount needed to take advantage of them.  I suspect the same may be true in this case.  Nothing was mentioned about the amount of money Adamson spent on tickets.  In spite of winning multiple jackpots he might be doing good to just break even.

 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
   
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    Posted: February 5, 2015, 5:35 pm - IP Logged

    Clever trick on his part buying three separate tickets. That must be one awesome equation.

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      Even when everyone playing the Massachusetts Windfall game knew of its flaws most couldn't afford to gamble the amount needed to take advantage of them.  I suspect the same may be true in this case.  Nothing was mentioned about the amount of money Adamson spent on tickets.  In spite of winning multiple jackpots he might be doing good to just break even.

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        Posted: February 5, 2015, 6:35 pm - IP Logged

        I agree with others that if I had a formula/algorithm, I would make certain some family and friends also won as well. The lottery will make some odd change now. 

        There are two winners on the VA website who won VA cash 5 ($ 100,000) and then played the same numbers again for a year or two and the same numbers won again and so did they. I wonder how unusual this is statistics wise????

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          Posted: February 5, 2015, 6:36 pm - IP Logged

          Clever trick on his part buying three separate tickets. That must be one awesome equation.

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          Why did he play the same numbers in 3 locations vs 3 tickets at one location?

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            Why did he play the same numbers in 3 locations vs 3 tickets at one location?

            He probably was playing more than just a few combinations.  If you were playing a hundred combinations or more, would you play them three times at the same place?  Beside if you have no personal interest in a particular retail store why not spread the wealth around when you win.

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              Posted: February 5, 2015, 8:07 pm - IP Logged

              This just reaffirms for me that these games cannot be completely random. You've got a mathematician in Tx

              that breaks the games and wins several jackpots in just 5 years. Another man in Canada that breaks the

              jackpot several times in 5 years again (all drawing games).

               

              Especially with computerized games, it simply cannot be 100% random. So now it's just a matter of cracking

              it like this guy did. I'm happy for the guy personally, just wish I could do the same. lol

              I agree. 

              I just wish that his lawyer(and he) didn't have to broadcast that it was a mathematical algorithm. They could have quietly gone about the business of getting their patent. This way you don't give lottery officials even the slightest incentive to change the matrix of the game. Then again, maybe it's okay to broadcast it, especially because officials may not believe such formulas truly exist.

              Our 2nd class in Pick 3 Lore was Space-Timing The Next Draw and we found the Lottery LoreKeeper, Tatiana, staring through her telescope, while we covertly giggled about what does Planet X have to do with what my next draw is? The sleuthy sage quietly intoned, "It is known that when the light(information) from such a distant object reaches our eyes, we are seeing the object as it was in the past & not as it appears Now in the present. Isn't this true for all things, especially numbers, that were drawn years, months, weeks or even just a day in the past? To accurately find the next draw, use the Law of Now(Tatiana's Pillar)". We never giggled again.

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                I agree. 

                I just wish that his lawyer(and he) didn't have to broadcast that it was a mathematical algorithm. They could have quietly gone about the business of getting their patent. This way you don't give lottery officials even the slightest incentive to change the matrix of the game. Then again, maybe it's okay to broadcast it, especially because officials may not believe such formulas truly exist.

                Even if this guy had a patent on his algorithm, it wouldn't be worth the paper it was written on.  No one can keep others from playing a set of combinations with a patent. 

                Companies like G-tech and others have studied lotteries for a long time and know that certain patterns repeat but short of playing every possible combination no one can guarantee the out come of a random drawing and trying to do so is a gamble that is more likely to be lost with payouts calculated to do just that.  It's seldom that a player can make a profit even playing all the possible combinations.

                 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                   
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                  Posted: February 5, 2015, 9:32 pm - IP Logged

                  I look upon the announcement there is something patentable about this guy winning the lottery as some kind of prelude to him selling a how to get rich playing the lottery book or some kind of playing package/kit that will be advertised on late night paid programming TV until the end of time.

                  Kind of like someone claims to have discovered the way to make a fortune in say flipping houses (buying penny stocks, etc.) and offers to sell you the secret even provide financing all I'm sure at a hefty profit and not from the goodness in his heart.

                  If I truly had a secret (but legal) way to win the lottery I'd probably keep it to myself and use it sparingly. But I'd probably never work again.

                  OTOH, while I do not know how the game in question works if it is based on a computer generated random number generator he may have hit upon the  pattern. Random number generators are for the most part pseudo-random. There are some, not many, but some individuals who have a real ability to recognize these patterns or develop a feel for the algorithm that produces the random number sequence. (There was just the last couple of days a story about a retired man, a gas station attendant/janitor in Vermont, who was very good at picking stocks and when he recently died left $6M. Kind of the same thing.)

                  There is also the issue of like say the game of Blackjack if one can count cards he can know that some cards are "due" to come up. (This ignores the changes to the game that have made counting cards even less successful even if one can find a place to play that would allow this -- none due that I know of -- or is willing to risk being found out by the casino security staff.) If the game relies upon a fixed set of numbers one might recognize some numbers are due, so to speak. There is of course the issue of these numbers still representing a huge number of possible combinations, but the odds are better. If one has the financial resources to play a significant number of plays. 'course there is the saying which is about the stock market but applies here: The market can stay irrational a lot longer than you can stay solvent.

                  The lottery game can stay (pseudo-) random a lot longer than you can stay solvent.

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                    Even if this guy had a patent on his algorithm, it wouldn't be worth the paper it was written on.  No one can keep others from playing a set of combinations with a patent. 

                    Companies like G-tech and others have studied lotteries for a long time and know that certain patterns repeat but short of playing every possible combination no one can guarantee the out come of a random drawing and trying to do so is a gamble that is more likely to be lost with payouts calculated to do just that.  It's seldom that a player can make a profit even playing all the possible combinations.

                    The guy said he was going to patent his algorithm when he and his wife both had two winning tickets in the same drawing in 2008. The thing is, his wife said then, she had played the same set of numbers for years. With 1,631,312 possible combinations, 6 1/2 years in between wins, and no idea how much he spent on each drawing, I'm betting he got very lucky.

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                      I look upon the announcement there is something patentable about this guy winning the lottery as some kind of prelude to him selling a how to get rich playing the lottery book or some kind of playing package/kit that will be advertised on late night paid programming TV until the end of time.

                      Kind of like someone claims to have discovered the way to make a fortune in say flipping houses (buying penny stocks, etc.) and offers to sell you the secret even provide financing all I'm sure at a hefty profit and not from the goodness in his heart.

                      If I truly had a secret (but legal) way to win the lottery I'd probably keep it to myself and use it sparingly. But I'd probably never work again.

                      OTOH, while I do not know how the game in question works if it is based on a computer generated random number generator he may have hit upon the  pattern. Random number generators are for the most part pseudo-random. There are some, not many, but some individuals who have a real ability to recognize these patterns or develop a feel for the algorithm that produces the random number sequence. (There was just the last couple of days a story about a retired man, a gas station attendant/janitor in Vermont, who was very good at picking stocks and when he recently died left $6M. Kind of the same thing.)

                      There is also the issue of like say the game of Blackjack if one can count cards he can know that some cards are "due" to come up. (This ignores the changes to the game that have made counting cards even less successful even if one can find a place to play that would allow this -- none due that I know of -- or is willing to risk being found out by the casino security staff.) If the game relies upon a fixed set of numbers one might recognize some numbers are due, so to speak. There is of course the issue of these numbers still representing a huge number of possible combinations, but the odds are better. If one has the financial resources to play a significant number of plays. 'course there is the saying which is about the stock market but applies here: The market can stay irrational a lot longer than you can stay solvent.

                      The lottery game can stay (pseudo-) random a lot longer than you can stay solvent.

                      If his wife hadn't said she played the same set of number for years when they won on four tickets in 2008, I might believe there was a system, but while winning twice in 6 1/2 years is extraordinary, I don't see any "change the matrix" system.

                      Have no idea of how many players overall do it, but I do know some that play the same numbers multiple times in small and large jackpot games. Winning the jackpots is another story.

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                        SuperCash! is rigged for southern Wisconsin. Southern Wisconsin always wins!

                        The Wisconsin lottery uses computerized lottery terminals, if no winning ticket is sold in southern Wisconsin, they let the jackpot roll again. Banana

                        Excellent!

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                        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

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                          SuperCash! is rigged for southern Wisconsin. Southern Wisconsin always wins!

                          The Wisconsin lottery uses computerized lottery terminals, if no winning ticket is sold in southern Wisconsin, they let the jackpot roll again. Banana

                          LOL!

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                            Sorry, something smells here; the odds of him winning twice are quadrillions to one.  If he's playing a wheeling system, he can slightly improve his odds... but there's no algorithm that can improve his odds as much as he's intimating.  Time for an investigation...

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                              Sorry, something smells here; the odds of him winning twice are quadrillions to one.  If he's playing a wheeling system, he can slightly improve his odds... but there's no algorithm that can improve his odds as much as he's intimating.  Time for an investigation...

                              Agreed!  Or possibly he's one of those strange folks who figured they will win for sure but wants certain stores to gain from the win as well just in case.  This may sound funny, but I choose certain favorite groceries stores to purchase my tickets when I'm at a winning hunch.   But, Wow wow... second time Wi SuperCash won by some formulas?!  Punching in my numbers now!

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