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Calif. man knew he won $1M but lost the lottery ticket

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RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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Posted: March 16, 2015, 2:49 pm - IP Logged

I agree with you. The person should sue. I hope he does. The California lottery released the video/picture and that is something a lawyer can use to get his client that money.  It's an admission that the man is the rightful winner. I mean they already use camera evidence to convict criminals, no? Why not use it to give the guy his money?

Since he never made any attempt to cash it within the time allowed he not only doesn't have the ticket but he also ran out of time.  I doubt if he would have a winnable case now even if he proved he was the one who brought the ticket.

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    Posted: March 16, 2015, 5:24 pm - IP Logged

    Since he never made any attempt to cash it within the time allowed he not only doesn't have the ticket but he also ran out of time.  I doubt if he would have a winnable case now even if he proved he was the one who brought the ticket.

    "We believe the man who came forward yesterday was the actual guy in the surveillance footage," Traverso said," but unfortunately, in Powerball rules, you have to have a physical ticket to win.

    He actually made an attempt to collect but was denied. 

    That money's gone fo ever

      RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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      "We believe the man who came forward yesterday was the actual guy in the surveillance footage," Traverso said," but unfortunately, in Powerball rules, you have to have a physical ticket to win.

      He actually made an attempt to collect but was denied. 

      Rules are rules, he should have read them and acted accordingly.  He's not the first to lose out and he won't be the last.  Others should learn from his experience.

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        Posted: March 17, 2015, 5:41 am - IP Logged

        Rules are rules, he should have read them and acted accordingly.  He's not the first to lose out and he won't be the last.  Others should learn from his experience.

        I Agree!

        My ticket/s never leave my wallet nore the picture frame in my bedroom and get checked first thing in the morning

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          Posted: March 17, 2015, 8:31 am - IP Logged

          I agree with you. The person should sue. I hope he does. The California lottery released the video/picture and that is something a lawyer can use to get his client that money.  It's an admission that the man is the rightful winner. I mean they already use camera evidence to convict criminals, no? Why not use it to give the guy his money?

          Because he doesn't have a ticket, and he waited too long to try to claim. Double whammy. Better luck (common sense) next time.

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            Posted: March 17, 2015, 9:56 am - IP Logged

            "We believe the man who came forward yesterday was the actual guy in the surveillance footage," Traverso said," but unfortunately, in Powerball rules, you have to have a physical ticket to win.

            He actually made an attempt to collect but was denied. 

            l take it by this remark from the Lottery Official that if one was part of a pool or solo player  and " copies" were made of all the tickets purchased- However the Original ticket was LOST, the Pool / self  are " up a creek" so to speak. 

            People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it- George Bernard Shaw.

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              Rules are rules, he should have read them and acted accordingly.  He's not the first to lose out and he won't be the last.  Others should learn from his experience.

              Rules are rules but the court decides which rules are valid. McDonalds got successfully sued for not printing the word "caution, hot liquid inside" when everybody assumed it's common sense. I hope the man sues. It might bring some changes that might benefit the rest of us Thumbs Up

              That money's gone fo ever

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                Posted: March 17, 2015, 11:22 am - IP Logged

                Because he doesn't have a ticket, and he waited too long to try to claim. Double whammy. Better luck (common sense) next time.

                From the article it says he tried to claim before the deadline but was turned back because "rules are rules." He can try to challenge these rules in court. He might get a sympathetic judge and get paid.

                That money's gone fo ever

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                  l take it by this remark from the Lottery Official that if one was part of a pool or solo player  and " copies" were made of all the tickets purchased- However the Original ticket was LOST, the Pool / self  are " up a creek" so to speak. 

                  They use video evidence to convict criminals. Maybe a court can use this video evidence to get the guy paid

                  That money's gone fo ever

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                    From the article it says he tried to claim before the deadline but was turned back because "rules are rules." He can try to challenge these rules in court. He might get a sympathetic judge and get paid.

                    If it were a private lottery, I'd prefer if a judge not get invloved with the interpretation of the rules in this particular case, but being that this is a multi-state run lottery, I'd support the man's court challenge to "rules are rules". Essentially, the state lotteries will fight for the judge to interpret the rule in accordance with the Letter of the Law and the man will fight for the Spirit of the Law.  As we know, the Letter of the Law refers to the "literal interpretation" of the lottery rule and the Spirit of the Law refers to the "intent" of the lottery rule. 

                    I agree with following the Letter of the Law when it comes to most of the Powerball rules, but in this individual's particular case, I wish the Spirit of the Law had been applied. The lottery rule is that you need to present the ticket before the deadline in order to receive payment, because seemingly the intent of this rule is to show proof of purchase and ownership to merit a payment. In has been stated that he came before the deadline, and that Proof of Ownership had been established through video, so the "intent" of the rule has been fulfilled. So yes maringoman, he may get a sympathetic judge whose lottery ruling will mirror the constitutional trend over the past 200 years to rule in favor of the "spirit of the law" as opposed to the "letter of the law".

                    Legend says that The Craggy One was once asked about the Lottery Circle and the aged Lottery LoreKeeper whispered in his gravelly eloquence,"It is known among our kind that 2 successive draws are in reality the 2 center-points of 2 intersecting circles that share a common radius - a Root Center. This Vesica Piscis is the creative womb for all numbers, the Still Point from which two draws will unite & a new one is born. This "perfect" space is a wormhole through Time(Change). Master its proportions & your numerical predictions will not falter". 

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                      Posted: March 17, 2015, 5:54 pm - IP Logged

                      If it were a private lottery, I'd prefer if a judge not get invloved with the interpretation of the rules in this particular case, but being that this is a multi-state run lottery, I'd support the man's court challenge to "rules are rules". Essentially, the state lotteries will fight for the judge to interpret the rule in accordance with the Letter of the Law and the man will fight for the Spirit of the Law.  As we know, the Letter of the Law refers to the "literal interpretation" of the lottery rule and the Spirit of the Law refers to the "intent" of the lottery rule. 

                      I agree with following the Letter of the Law when it comes to most of the Powerball rules, but in this individual's particular case, I wish the Spirit of the Law had been applied. The lottery rule is that you need to present the ticket before the deadline in order to receive payment, because seemingly the intent of this rule is to show proof of purchase and ownership to merit a payment. In has been stated that he came before the deadline, and that Proof of Ownership had been established through video, so the "intent" of the rule has been fulfilled. So yes maringoman, he may get a sympathetic judge whose lottery ruling will mirror the constitutional trend over the past 200 years to rule in favor of the "spirit of the law" as opposed to the "letter of the law".

                      To be honest, I had no idea of the concept of "spirit of the law" and now I do. I just think that this guy should give it a try in the courts of law because the lottery already released an image of him believing him to be the winner.

                      That money's gone fo ever

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                        What if the guy actually had the ticket and sold the ticket to another person for $500,000 ..and then sees his picture on television and comes forward by your own scenario the lotto actually pays the guy that means he would have had 1million plus the $500,000 ..I understand to a certain point where you are coming from but they have this law for a reason.

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                          When I purchase my lottery tickets I'll sometimes ask my landlord if he wants me to pick some up for him, he's 80 and doesn't get out much and plays when the jackpot is in the triple digits.  I always buy his at the local convenient store, with his money, and I never buy my tickets at this same location to avoid conflicts if there's a win.  What if one day I buy his tickets at this store, hand them over to him before the drawing, and he wins but doesn't know or checks his tickets (remember he's up there in age).  Times goes by and still he doesn't check his tickets.  The video will show me buying the tickets (if there is a camera system in place).  Does that mean I am the winner?  I think not.  No matter how greedy I may be tempted to become, my landlord is a good guy.  If the ticket cannot be presented, everyone loses....except the lottery. Coffee

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                            When I purchase my lottery tickets I'll sometimes ask my landlord if he wants me to pick some up for him, he's 80 and doesn't get out much and plays when the jackpot is in the triple digits.  I always buy his at the local convenient store, with his money, and I never buy my tickets at this same location to avoid conflicts if there's a win.  What if one day I buy his tickets at this store, hand them over to him before the drawing, and he wins but doesn't know or checks his tickets (remember he's up there in age).  Times goes by and still he doesn't check his tickets.  The video will show me buying the tickets (if there is a camera system in place).  Does that mean I am the winner?  I think not.  No matter how greedy I may be tempted to become, my landlord is a good guy.  If the ticket cannot be presented, everyone loses....except the lottery. Coffee

                            The points you and the poster majestic1070 bring up are well taken. Thanks!

                            Legend says that The Craggy One was once asked about the Lottery Circle and the aged Lottery LoreKeeper whispered in his gravelly eloquence,"It is known among our kind that 2 successive draws are in reality the 2 center-points of 2 intersecting circles that share a common radius - a Root Center. This Vesica Piscis is the creative womb for all numbers, the Still Point from which two draws will unite & a new one is born. This "perfect" space is a wormhole through Time(Change). Master its proportions & your numerical predictions will not falter". 

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                              Some people buy tickets and if they don't hear in the news someone local won a big prize they figure what they won if anything isn't worth the trouble of checking.  I've seen people come in stores with a sack of old tickets from previous drawings trying to get clerks to check them because they don't have the time.

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