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$136M Powerball winner sued for 'dooring' cyclist

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Posted: June 24, 2015, 1:12 am - IP Logged

If you win the lottery , I highly suggest you do what few smart Russians  do. Get a dashcam recorder.

There are lowlifes in every walk of life, you got to protect your self if become a target for them.

Great video Joshua. I'm gonna get a dashcam too.

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    Bike lanes are about 5 feet wide and most car doors are about 3 feet wide. This type of accidents must happen thousands of times everyday in US cities. I can't take a side on this lawsuit until more information comes out or maybe video evidence is obtained and shared with us.

    The article has all the information that's necessary, assuming it's true. If you open your door into traffic you're the one at fault.

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      Several cities here have bike lanes, but I don't see how a bike running into an open car door is any different than another car hitting an open door. The person on the bike should have known of the possibility of a car door opening. My guess is the biker found out the car owner won the lottery and is hoping for a large settlement.

      I get the feeling most of you guys on here don't understand what 'dooring' is. It's not something you can just avoid, and in fact it has caused the death of at least one cyclist in NYC. The fault of being doored is totally on the person in the vehicle. Too many people open their door without checking to see what is coming, and most of them should be thankful that there is a bike lane there or else instead of just injuring someone else, they'd be often losing their doors from vehicle traffic.

       

      What's the worst about dooring a cyclist, is the person opening the door rarely cares about the harm they cause to the cyclist or damage done to the bike. Hate cyclists or not, you're ignorant if you believe they are constantly at fault in these events. Hundreds of tickets are written for them in New York and Chicago recently enacted a law that even causing a cyclist to swerve out of the way of your door opening will get you a $300 ticket (dooring them gives you a $1000 ticket).

       

      This video below is a perfect example for you people to understand. Zero time to react by the cyclist.

      And perhaps another, from the view of a cab that thankfully didn't kill the cyclist thrown off his bike after being doored.

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        I get the feeling most of you guys on here don't understand what 'dooring' is. It's not something you can just avoid, and in fact it has caused the death of at least one cyclist in NYC. The fault of being doored is totally on the person in the vehicle. Too many people open their door without checking to see what is coming, and most of them should be thankful that there is a bike lane there or else instead of just injuring someone else, they'd be often losing their doors from vehicle traffic.

         

        What's the worst about dooring a cyclist, is the person opening the door rarely cares about the harm they cause to the cyclist or damage done to the bike. Hate cyclists or not, you're ignorant if you believe they are constantly at fault in these events. Hundreds of tickets are written for them in New York and Chicago recently enacted a law that even causing a cyclist to swerve out of the way of your door opening will get you a $300 ticket (dooring them gives you a $1000 ticket).

         

        This video below is a perfect example for you people to understand. Zero time to react by the cyclist.

        And perhaps another, from the view of a cab that thankfully didn't kill the cyclist thrown off his bike after being doored.

        ttech, your videos prove that these bicyclist are dangerous on the road especially in the city. They weave thru traffic and don't obey the same laws as cars do and that's why they cause these accidents.

        I say ban cyclist in the city streets!!!

        ban bicycles

        Pain in the butts!

        bike in the city

        This is where they should ride their bikes. In the country for Gods sake!

        bike in the country

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          Posted: June 24, 2015, 12:38 pm - IP Logged

          Well Mr. Perosi,looks like u may have to pay something.An if u do look at it this way,after court,if it goes that far,u can take a nice vacation anywhere on the planet.Good Luck.

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            He'll end up having to pay something. The cyclist got injured while riding in the bike lane where he has the right to be and Perosi was careless in opening his door without checking first.  He won't do that again as it'll be an expensive lesson to learn.  I'm sure lawyers look into how much someone is worth before they sue them on behalf of their client, or before they even take the case.  I would imagine lottery winners are special prey as they're viewed as only having won their money so they don't deserve to have all of it.

            Yeah, a Dashcam would be a worthwhile thing to install, as well all the video surveillance he can muster.  I'm sure someone will "trip" on his property one day.

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              Posted: June 24, 2015, 3:47 pm - IP Logged

              Great video Joshua. I'm gonna get a dashcam too.

              I subscribe to a website feed "English Russia".  They post all sorts of videos and photos, clandestine visits to Chernobyl, the war in the Ukraine, several from that huge meteor a yr. or two ago,  things like that, but they also have a lot of Russian dashcam compilation videos.  I've spent hours watching them and the "road rage" abounds.   They have the cams b/c of all the bogus "accidents".

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                I get the feeling most of you guys on here don't understand what 'dooring' is. It's not something you can just avoid, and in fact it has caused the death of at least one cyclist in NYC. The fault of being doored is totally on the person in the vehicle. Too many people open their door without checking to see what is coming, and most of them should be thankful that there is a bike lane there or else instead of just injuring someone else, they'd be often losing their doors from vehicle traffic.

                 

                What's the worst about dooring a cyclist, is the person opening the door rarely cares about the harm they cause to the cyclist or damage done to the bike. Hate cyclists or not, you're ignorant if you believe they are constantly at fault in these events. Hundreds of tickets are written for them in New York and Chicago recently enacted a law that even causing a cyclist to swerve out of the way of your door opening will get you a $300 ticket (dooring them gives you a $1000 ticket).

                 

                This video below is a perfect example for you people to understand. Zero time to react by the cyclist.

                And perhaps another, from the view of a cab that thankfully didn't kill the cyclist thrown off his bike after being doored.

                I agree 100% the cyclist in the first example had no time to stop because he took a huge chance going between the stopped and parked cars. In the second it looks like the cyclist tried to create his own lane too but neither example showed a bike lane. Laws vary in states, but I believe the two wheel vehicles laws apply to cyclist where there is no bike lane. 

                I can't comment on the New York and Chicago laws because you didn't say how they apply to a cyclist trying to create his own three foot lane.

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                  ttech, your videos prove that these bicyclist are dangerous on the road especially in the city. They weave thru traffic and don't obey the same laws as cars do and that's why they cause these accidents.

                  I say ban cyclist in the city streets!!!

                  ban bicycles

                  Pain in the butts!

                  bike in the city

                  This is where they should ride their bikes. In the country for Gods sake!

                  bike in the country

                  The cyclists in the videos posted were obeying 100% of the traffic laws. You have a hatred for cyclists, I get it, but they were at 0% fault in those videos. The people in the vehicles were the ones doing something wrong (in both cases they would be given a citation if police witnessed it), so stop acting all high and mighty like people in vehicles aren't dangerous and that every cyclist is pure evil. Those videos only prove that you don't know what you're talking about.

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                    I agree 100% the cyclist in the first example had no time to stop because he took a huge chance going between the stopped and parked cars. In the second it looks like the cyclist tried to create his own lane too but neither example showed a bike lane. Laws vary in states, but I believe the two wheel vehicles laws apply to cyclist where there is no bike lane. 

                    I can't comment on the New York and Chicago laws because you didn't say how they apply to a cyclist trying to create his own three foot lane.

                    The second one was taken in Chicago, on a street that has a bike lane. But even if it didn't have a marked bike lane, in Chicago, like most cities, cyclists have the right to ride where the bike lane would be. The only roads they aren't allowed to do that on are places like highways, that are also closed off to pedestrians. In Chicago, at least 20% of all cycling crashes are caused by dooring.

                    Any time you are exiting a vehicle, you are required to check to make sure you're not going to hit or block anything coming. In both of those cities (Chicago and NYC), the people in the vehicle are regularly decided to be at fault in dooring incidents, even if no formal bike lane exists. Though there have been one or two cases in Chicago where the wording of the law has meant both the cyclist and the person in the vehicle both receive tickets. But the fact is, the person in the vehicle doing the dooring is regularly found to be at fault in these cases.

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                      The second one was taken in Chicago, on a street that has a bike lane. But even if it didn't have a marked bike lane, in Chicago, like most cities, cyclists have the right to ride where the bike lane would be. The only roads they aren't allowed to do that on are places like highways, that are also closed off to pedestrians. In Chicago, at least 20% of all cycling crashes are caused by dooring.

                      Any time you are exiting a vehicle, you are required to check to make sure you're not going to hit or block anything coming. In both of those cities (Chicago and NYC), the people in the vehicle are regularly decided to be at fault in dooring incidents, even if no formal bike lane exists. Though there have been one or two cases in Chicago where the wording of the law has meant both the cyclist and the person in the vehicle both receive tickets. But the fact is, the person in the vehicle doing the dooring is regularly found to be at fault in these cases.

                      "The second one was taken in Chicago, on a street that has a bike lane. But even if it didn't have a marked bike lane, in Chicago, like most cities, cyclists have the right to ride where the bike lane would be."

                      The car was parked and the bike came up as the driver was opening the door.

                      "Any time you are exiting a vehicle, you are required to check to make sure you're not going to hit or block anything coming."

                      How can anyone prove the driver didn't "make sure" before opening the door?

                      "But the fact is, the person in the vehicle doing the dooring is regularly found to be at fault in these cases."

                      But the case we're talking about is in New Jersey.

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                        Oh come on, Dude.. how fast was this cyclist going? That guy was speeding. Cyclists should have to obey speed limits just like drivers, it's so obvious he was at risk going at that speed, and he failed to observe the vehicles brakelights being on..why should cyclists get awarded in lawsuits for cycling like mindless retards,, it's his fault he got hurt. How is a passenger in the back seat of a vehicle supposed to see a bicyclist bulleting past him

                        they need to Amend these cycling laws so it doesn't turn into a bunch of frauds zipping near cars trying to get a lawsuit, maybe they should make Bicycling licenses just like Drivers licenses..and forve cyclists to take a drivers Ed course regarding bike and traffic safety  if they want to integrate so badly.  Most drivers are not aware of the newly imposed bike laws 

                        another Bloomberg follie  the blue collar working man has to deal with..yuppies can sue you for falling off their bikes And tearing they're polo shorts now

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                          "The second one was taken in Chicago, on a street that has a bike lane. But even if it didn't have a marked bike lane, in Chicago, like most cities, cyclists have the right to ride where the bike lane would be."

                          The car was parked and the bike came up as the driver was opening the door.

                          "Any time you are exiting a vehicle, you are required to check to make sure you're not going to hit or block anything coming."

                          How can anyone prove the driver didn't "make sure" before opening the door?

                          "But the fact is, the person in the vehicle doing the dooring is regularly found to be at fault in these cases."

                          But the case we're talking about is in New Jersey.

                          "How can anyone prove the driver didn't "make sure" before opening the door?"

                          The fact that he opened the door in front of the cyclist is obvious proof that it wasn't safe to open the door. It's possible that he looked, but he obviously didn't do a good enough job of making sure it was a safe. Opening your door into traffic is the same kind of violation as speeding. You're guilty simply because you did it, even if you didn't mean to do it.

                          "But the case we're talking about is in New Jersey."

                          I'm pretty sure that Brooklyn is still in New York.

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                            "The second one was taken in Chicago, on a street that has a bike lane. But even if it didn't have a marked bike lane, in Chicago, like most cities, cyclists have the right to ride where the bike lane would be."

                            The car was parked and the bike came up as the driver was opening the door.

                            "Any time you are exiting a vehicle, you are required to check to make sure you're not going to hit or block anything coming."

                            How can anyone prove the driver didn't "make sure" before opening the door?

                            "But the fact is, the person in the vehicle doing the dooring is regularly found to be at fault in these cases."

                            But the case we're talking about is in New Jersey.

                            Yes, the car was stopped. What does that matter? Every dooring incident happens when the car is stopped/parked. And every single one of those dooring incidents found the person opening the door at fault. The cyclist in that video wasn't in the wrong. What you saw in that video is what motor-vehiclists get ticketed for across the country. Blame the cyclist if you want for "coming up as the driver was opening the door", but the law sees it as the driver opening up the door into the cyclists' path.

                             

                            And well, most would assume that since he opened the door and hit someone, causing them to fly off their bike, that they didn't look to make sure it was safe to do so. Unless you're saying that along with any fine for dooring someone, he should also have a higher fine (and possibly a serious charge) for purposely injuring someone.

                             

                            The case we're talking about is actually in Brooklyn, which is in New York, which has this law:

                            Section 1214. Opening and closing vehicle doors. No person shall open the door of a motor vehicle on the side available to moving traffic unless and until it is reasonable safe to do so, and can be done without interfering with the movement of other traffic, nor shall any person leave a door open on the side of the vehicle available to moving traffic for a period of time longer than necessary to load or unload passengers. [Source]

                            Thankfully for motor-vehiclists of NYS, that fine is only $150, but as I mentioned before, lawsuits and the resulting settlements have gone into the six figure area. I'd love if they increased that to the level that Chicago has, as people clearly don't take the current law - and resulting fine - seriously enough.

                             

                            And back to the other video, where the person passes on the right of the stopped cab, I looked up the exact law for DC, and under D.C. Municipal Regulations Section 1201.3 it states a cyclist may pass a vehicle on either the left or right side.

                            I love how many people on here just blindly throw rationality and the law out the window because they have a deep seeded hatred for cyclists.

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                              The cyclists in the videos posted were obeying 100% of the traffic laws. You have a hatred for cyclists, I get it, but they were at 0% fault in those videos. The people in the vehicles were the ones doing something wrong (in both cases they would be given a citation if police witnessed it), so stop acting all high and mighty like people in vehicles aren't dangerous and that every cyclist is pure evil. Those videos only prove that you don't know what you're talking about.

                              I obviously hit a raw nerve on you ttech. You seem so defensive and abrasive. How many times have you been "doored"?