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No matter how you slice it ttech (dooring or not) bicyclist are adrenaline junkies who treat traffic as a playground and obstacle course. They don't have regard for anyone's safety including their own. Witness:

bike accident mountain biking biking

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    "How can anyone prove the driver didn't "make sure" before opening the door?"

    The fact that he opened the door in front of the cyclist is obvious proof that it wasn't safe to open the door. It's possible that he looked, but he obviously didn't do a good enough job of making sure it was a safe. Opening your door into traffic is the same kind of violation as speeding. You're guilty simply because you did it, even if you didn't mean to do it.

    "But the case we're talking about is in New Jersey."

    I'm pretty sure that Brooklyn is still in New York.

    "The fact that he opened the door in front of the cyclist is obvious proof that it wasn't safe to open the door."

    The real fact is most cars have four doors, two doors have no mirrors and the mirror on the front passenger door is for the driver. Who is at fault when the passenger puts their head out of the window to look back and is hit by a bicyclist?

    "It's possible that he looked, but he obviously didn't do a good enough job of making sure it was a safe."

    What he saw depends on how fast the bike was going and if it was darting in and out of traffic. How many feet can a bike travel in the time it takes to look in the mirror and open the car door?

    "Opening your door into traffic is the same kind of violation as speeding."

    Are car drivers going 100 mph in a school zone fined the same in Brooklyn as a passenger in a parked car opening the door?

    "You're guilty simply because you did it, even if you didn't mean to do it."

    I get it, to avoid "dooring" bicyclists, NY drivers are required to climb out of their sun roofs, and crawl over the hood. I mistakenly thought the New Jersey jackpot winner was in NJ, but I wasn't trying to con the readers into believing it's illegal to exit a vehicle when parked near a bike land in NY.

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      BAN BIKE LANES

      Smash

      It would be better to just ban bicycles, to save these bicyclists from themselves.  The bicycle coalition has it where bicyclists aren't responsible for their actions,  but it is always the drivers fault when they get hit or injured for their reckless bicycle riding. 

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        The second one was taken in Chicago, on a street that has a bike lane. But even if it didn't have a marked bike lane, in Chicago, like most cities, cyclists have the right to ride where the bike lane would be. The only roads they aren't allowed to do that on are places like highways, that are also closed off to pedestrians. In Chicago, at least 20% of all cycling crashes are caused by dooring.

        Any time you are exiting a vehicle, you are required to check to make sure you're not going to hit or block anything coming. In both of those cities (Chicago and NYC), the people in the vehicle are regularly decided to be at fault in dooring incidents, even if no formal bike lane exists. Though there have been one or two cases in Chicago where the wording of the law has meant both the cyclist and the person in the vehicle both receive tickets. But the fact is, the person in the vehicle doing the dooring is regularly found to be at fault in these cases.

        "The second one was taken in Chicago, on a street that has a bike lane. But even if it didn't have a marked bike lane, in Chicago, like most cities, cyclists have the right to ride where the bike lane would be"

        There was barely enough room to open the driver side door of the parked car because there was a car in the next lane. IMO, Having a bike lane on a two lane street with a third lane for parking is an accident waiting to happen. I watched the video "Getting doored by taxi Union Square" and it was rear left passenger door that opened hitting the bicyclist. That guy was swerving all over the place trying to avoid pedestrians and the traffic made it almost impossible to see the cab door opening.

        Watching that video, who is at fault when a bicyclist hits a pedestrian?

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          "The second one was taken in Chicago, on a street that has a bike lane. But even if it didn't have a marked bike lane, in Chicago, like most cities, cyclists have the right to ride where the bike lane would be"

          There was barely enough room to open the driver side door of the parked car because there was a car in the next lane. IMO, Having a bike lane on a two lane street with a third lane for parking is an accident waiting to happen. I watched the video "Getting doored by taxi Union Square" and it was rear left passenger door that opened hitting the bicyclist. That guy was swerving all over the place trying to avoid pedestrians and the traffic made it almost impossible to see the cab door opening.

          Watching that video, who is at fault when a bicyclist hits a pedestrian?

          In that video, the person in the cab is clearly at fault. Opens her door into a bike lane without making sure it was safe to do so.

           

          That person is hardly swerving all over the place, especially when he comes upon the cab. He had to avoid two pedestrians that were in the wrong for crossing the bike path without looking. That's the same as crossing the street at a non-designated area, I don't think they can get a ticket for crossing a bike lane that way, but they are still responsible for yielding to the oncoming traffic. Later there is a car stopped in the bike lane (against the law, btw) and he has to leave the bike path (legal) to pass it. He clearly is watching traffic to make sure he safely enters the roadway (again, legal).

           

          If a cyclist hits a pedestrian, it's basically the same as a motor vehicle hitting one. Was the pedestrian on the cross walk and was that person responsibly crossing said crosswalk? Cyclists have the duty to yield to pedestrians just as motor vehicles do, but you can't blame a cyclist (or a motor-vehiclist) if the pedestrian moves into the crosswalk unsafely. In fact, the pedestrian could be found at fault in those cases. I've also seen cases where both the cyclist and the pedestrian are at fault, this typically happens when the pedestrian isn't using a crosswalk (illegal) and the cyclist is riding the wrong way (also illegal) and so the person looking to cross the street isn't looking for opposite direction traffic, thus thinking it's safe to illegally cross.

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            No matter how you slice it ttech (dooring or not) bicyclist are adrenaline junkies who treat traffic as a playground and obstacle course. They don't have regard for anyone's safety including their own. Witness:

            bike accident mountain biking biking

            deer on bike  biking while texting weaving thru traffic cyclist hittin a bus bike accident bike accident

            Congrats, you win ignoramus of the year award.

            I'm not going to play your childish game of finding images to try and prove a point, but you could find images showing that pedestrians and motor-vehiclists doing the same. Of course, any normal person with a working brain understands that it doesn't mean every person is the same.

             

            What's funny is that your very first image is during a cycling race and the car is one of those media cars, and was at fault for that crash. That isn't even the first time a safety/media vehicle covering a cycling race has crashed into a cyclist. But you know, it's fun to be ignorant, so go on living in your fantasy land if it helps you feel better. I do love how ignorant you are of things like street races with vehicles, those who do stunt jumps in vehicles, the event from a few days ago where a motor vehiclist plowed through a group of pedestrians, and those drunk drivers who drive the wrong way on highways. But again, sorry to interrupt your ignorance.

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              Yes ttech it's true that I'm ignorant of the cyclist protocols, laws and modus operandi that you are aware of. You must be a cyclist attorney or an annoying cyclist.

              No matter how intelligent your argument is, a cyclist is at such a disadvantage when it comes in contact with an automobile or concrete. Almost all accidents are met with death or serious injury.  Still you continue to repeat it's the car drivers fault all the time but the car driver isn't dead, the cyclist is. A cyclist has no steel or airbags to save his life.

              It's for their safety that they shouldn't be allow to cycle in traffic.

              If that's what you guys are into, have at it. I'm sure another accident will be on the news tomorrow.

              Life is too short for cyber fighting.

              Sorry about the photos. My ex-wife complained that I was too visual too.

              It's ok for you to interrupt my ignorance. You have entered my fantasy and are welcome in my fantasy.

              Have a brew and a great weekend ttech.

              beer toast

               

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                It would be better to just ban bicycles, to save these bicyclists from themselves.  The bicycle coalition has it where bicyclists aren't responsible for their actions,  but it is always the drivers fault when they get hit or injured for their reckless bicycle riding. 

                I agree with you pickone4me! Save the bicyclist from harming themselves and innocent people who don't even see them coming!

                As that cyclist activist ttech said repeatedly "it's not the cyclist fault, it's the motor vehicle drivers fault".

                No responsibility for their actions! Amen!

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                  Congrats, you win ignoramus of the year award.

                  I'm not going to play your childish game of finding images to try and prove a point, but you could find images showing that pedestrians and motor-vehiclists doing the same. Of course, any normal person with a working brain understands that it doesn't mean every person is the same.

                   

                  What's funny is that your very first image is during a cycling race and the car is one of those media cars, and was at fault for that crash. That isn't even the first time a safety/media vehicle covering a cycling race has crashed into a cyclist. But you know, it's fun to be ignorant, so go on living in your fantasy land if it helps you feel better. I do love how ignorant you are of things like street races with vehicles, those who do stunt jumps in vehicles, the event from a few days ago where a motor vehiclist plowed through a group of pedestrians, and those drunk drivers who drive the wrong way on highways. But again, sorry to interrupt your ignorance.

                  you win 

                  Congrats, you win ignoramus of the year award.

                  "Thank you ttech, thank you!"

                  I wasn't the only one to disagree with ttech but he chose me as the most ignorant person on this blog. I feel very honored and special.

                  Do I get a check? Trophy? Anything?

                  Anyway, thanks again ttech!

                  you win

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                    In that video, the person in the cab is clearly at fault. Opens her door into a bike lane without making sure it was safe to do so.

                     

                    That person is hardly swerving all over the place, especially when he comes upon the cab. He had to avoid two pedestrians that were in the wrong for crossing the bike path without looking. That's the same as crossing the street at a non-designated area, I don't think they can get a ticket for crossing a bike lane that way, but they are still responsible for yielding to the oncoming traffic. Later there is a car stopped in the bike lane (against the law, btw) and he has to leave the bike path (legal) to pass it. He clearly is watching traffic to make sure he safely enters the roadway (again, legal).

                     

                    If a cyclist hits a pedestrian, it's basically the same as a motor vehicle hitting one. Was the pedestrian on the cross walk and was that person responsibly crossing said crosswalk? Cyclists have the duty to yield to pedestrians just as motor vehicles do, but you can't blame a cyclist (or a motor-vehiclist) if the pedestrian moves into the crosswalk unsafely. In fact, the pedestrian could be found at fault in those cases. I've also seen cases where both the cyclist and the pedestrian are at fault, this typically happens when the pedestrian isn't using a crosswalk (illegal) and the cyclist is riding the wrong way (also illegal) and so the person looking to cross the street isn't looking for opposite direction traffic, thus thinking it's safe to illegally cross.

                    "He clearly is watching traffic "

                    The bicyclist (and you too) obviously missed the cab was stopped and had its blinker lights on. I didn't expect the bicyclist to see the cab behind pulling into the right lane to go around the parked cab, but I'm betting you were hoping I didn't see it either. I have no idea if the person in the cab knew NY's bike lane laws or not, but I saw a reckless bicyclist who put himself in danger.

                    "In that video, the person in the cab is clearly at fault. Opens her door into a bike lane without making sure it was safe to do so."

                    It's obvious you're very passionate about biking in busy large city traffic, but you could have at least watched the entire video. The cab was clearly parked outside the bike lane with the blinkers on and the cab driver said he told the passenger to watch out for the bike. The passenger said she didn't understand what the driver meant and the bicyclist did not want anybody to call the police.

                    According this story, Kieran Del Pasqua lost use of "both arms, required surgery and now has screws in his elbow". With all those injuries, why didn't Del Pasqua immediately call the police or have the ambulance driver contact them to meet him at the hospital?

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                      Yes ttech it's true that I'm ignorant of the cyclist protocols, laws and modus operandi that you are aware of. You must be a cyclist attorney or an annoying cyclist.

                      No matter how intelligent your argument is, a cyclist is at such a disadvantage when it comes in contact with an automobile or concrete. Almost all accidents are met with death or serious injury.  Still you continue to repeat it's the car drivers fault all the time but the car driver isn't dead, the cyclist is. A cyclist has no steel or airbags to save his life.

                      It's for their safety that they shouldn't be allow to cycle in traffic.

                      If that's what you guys are into, have at it. I'm sure another accident will be on the news tomorrow.

                      Life is too short for cyber fighting.

                      Sorry about the photos. My ex-wife complained that I was too visual too.

                      It's ok for you to interrupt my ignorance. You have entered my fantasy and are welcome in my fantasy.

                      Have a brew and a great weekend ttech.

                      beer toast

                       

                      This is how I roll when I want exercise.

                      exercise bike

                      My wife said "So you want a riding lawn mower"?. It's My birthday present.

                      bike lawn mower

                      Not an attorney and mostly drive a motor-vehicle. Though I do possess a brain and rationality, and realize that cyclists doing something wrong do not represent cyclists as a whole, just as motorists doing something wrong do not represent motorists as a whole.

                      And no, most accidents on bikes do not end with death or serious injury (also, not sure why you think that because the cyclist is the one that gets injured in dooring incidents that it must be their fault... that's some of the dumbest logic I've ever heard). Plenty only result in bumps and bruises, maybe some road rash. Same with accidents between multiple motor-vehicles. But I don't hear you whining about them, despite the numerous recalls of the entire vehicle or the safety measures in them.

                      But I get it, you don't want to admit that cycling is pretty safe until a driver, distracted by their phone, GPS, fixing their make-up in the mirror, or any of the other things that regularly distract drivers, causes an accident involving a bicycle. It doesn't fit your view of them, so naturally you want live in a world without that fact and instead blame every single accident involving a bicycle on the cyclist.

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                        "He clearly is watching traffic "

                        The bicyclist (and you too) obviously missed the cab was stopped and had its blinker lights on. I didn't expect the bicyclist to see the cab behind pulling into the right lane to go around the parked cab, but I'm betting you were hoping I didn't see it either. I have no idea if the person in the cab knew NY's bike lane laws or not, but I saw a reckless bicyclist who put himself in danger.

                        "In that video, the person in the cab is clearly at fault. Opens her door into a bike lane without making sure it was safe to do so."

                        It's obvious you're very passionate about biking in busy large city traffic, but you could have at least watched the entire video. The cab was clearly parked outside the bike lane with the blinkers on and the cab driver said he told the passenger to watch out for the bike. The passenger said she didn't understand what the driver meant and the bicyclist did not want anybody to call the police.

                        According this story, Kieran Del Pasqua lost use of "both arms, required surgery and now has screws in his elbow". With all those injuries, why didn't Del Pasqua immediately call the police or have the ambulance driver contact them to meet him at the hospital?

                        He (like every other cyclist) likely just expected the person in the cab to follow the law and not unsafely open the door. Cyclists have to deal with almost the exact scenario every single day, it's just that usually the person in the vehicle is following the law and paying attention to their surroundings. It's like saying you should slow down at every single green light you drive through just in case someone breaks the law and runs a red light. You're essentially victim blaming here, as the cyclist was following the law and was only doored because someone wasn't paying attention as the law requires them to.

                        Not sure what your second comment is supposed to be saying. The cab driver followed the law by not parking in the bike lane, told the people to watch out for the bike, they didn't hear and didn't safely open the door, doored the guy, and the guy on the bike didn't feel like calling the cops (he says because the cops are corrupt). What happens after the video isn't relevant to what the first few seconds of the video shows, which is someone opening the door in an unsafe manner, resulting in the dooring of a cyclist lawfully using the bike lane.

                        And in the video, I'm unsure exactly who would take the blame, the taxi driver or the girl opening the door. It's possible they would share the blame. The law says a taxi driver shouldn't pick up or drop off fares in the bike lane. The wording doesn't clarify if it simply means they shouldn't be stopped in the bike lane (which is illegal for any vehicle to do, resulting in a $115 fine) or that they shouldn't stop in a manner that puts the open door in the path of a cyclist in the bike lane (which other laws referring to bike lanes say is legal for commercial vehicles, which as NYC taxis pay CMVT, I would assume they would be regarded as a commercial vehicle). At the same time, the law does say that nobody should open their door in an unsafe manner, which is what the girl did. Many states/cities could do some good and clear up certain laws regarding bicycles/bike lanes.

                        Of course, even in places where the wording is clear as can be, there have been instances where the cyclist is blamed for being doored (in particular, this instance in San Francisco where GEICO tried to blame the cyclist for being doored, despite the law being extremely clear that the person in the vehicle was completely at fault, and even more so as the driver parked illegally in the bike lane). Basically, it's annoying to see cyclists get treated as second class citizens and be blamed for following the law. I keep mentioning Chicago, they seem to understand biking more than other cities, with the harsher penalty for dooring and taking the initiative to build bike lanes that are much safer than the current ones in most cities where it's just a painted section of road. Instead of it going 'sidewalk/parked car/bike lane/road' it's 'sidewalk/bike lane/parked car/road', along with a buffer between the parked car and the bike lane.

                        Until more cities build similar lanes, we're going to constantly have these issues of dooring and blaming one person or the other. At the very least, cities should go the route of "buffered" bike lanes. Santa Monica has these, where I used to ride daily, and it was nice having that extra room as there were certainly people that didn't look and opened their door as I was riding up to/by them.

                        As for why Del Pasqua didn't immediately call police, maybe he didn't think the damage done to him was significant and didn't want to involve police (as we see in that video, and many others on YouTube, a lot of dooring accidents don't get police involved). He could easily have not realized the damage due to adrenaline, it's not uncommon to have a serious injury but don't feel the affects or realize how serious the injury is until later. People have gotten shot or had broken ribs and not realized it due to adrenaline. 

                        Myself, if I was ever doored and required an ambulance, calling the cops is what I would do almost immediately, but everyone is different. For stuff like people unsafely opening their door into a bike lane, the most I've done is yelled at them to pay attention, usually by simply yelling 'watchout!'.

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                          And to clarify, as I'm sure it could be confusing with the way I wrote it, I realize NY has bike lanes like the ones mentioned, but the section where the dooring incident happened didn't have a buffer zone between traffic and the bike lane (which a buffered zone wouldn't have caused the dooring incident, as since the name suggests, it gives a buffer between the cyclist and doors being flung open).

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                            Not an attorney and mostly drive a motor-vehicle. Though I do possess a brain and rationality, and realize that cyclists doing something wrong do not represent cyclists as a whole, just as motorists doing something wrong do not represent motorists as a whole.

                            And no, most accidents on bikes do not end with death or serious injury (also, not sure why you think that because the cyclist is the one that gets injured in dooring incidents that it must be their fault... that's some of the dumbest logic I've ever heard). Plenty only result in bumps and bruises, maybe some road rash. Same with accidents between multiple motor-vehicles. But I don't hear you whining about them, despite the numerous recalls of the entire vehicle or the safety measures in them.

                            But I get it, you don't want to admit that cycling is pretty safe until a driver, distracted by their phone, GPS, fixing their make-up in the mirror, or any of the other things that regularly distract drivers, causes an accident involving a bicycle. It doesn't fit your view of them, so naturally you want live in a world without that fact and instead blame every single accident involving a bicycle on the cyclist.

                            ttech, so you admit you're "not an attorney" but you won't admit that you're a cyclist. Hmm?

                            Opps, I was mistaken. You corrected me. You said "most accidents on bikes do not end with death or serious injury". If this is so then why should we care if someone doors you cyclist or runs you guys down?

                            Even if cycling is safe as you say, when an accident happens, the cyclist is going to lose because he's only made of flesh and bones. The cyclist has no protection no matter who's "fault" the accident is. The person in a car has the vehicle as his first line of protection.

                            If your only line of defense is to blame the motor vehicle driver, then a lot of cyclist are going to get hurt.

                            Also, you didn't mention my lawnmower bicycle. You don't like it?

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                              He (like every other cyclist) likely just expected the person in the cab to follow the law and not unsafely open the door. Cyclists have to deal with almost the exact scenario every single day, it's just that usually the person in the vehicle is following the law and paying attention to their surroundings. It's like saying you should slow down at every single green light you drive through just in case someone breaks the law and runs a red light. You're essentially victim blaming here, as the cyclist was following the law and was only doored because someone wasn't paying attention as the law requires them to.

                              Not sure what your second comment is supposed to be saying. The cab driver followed the law by not parking in the bike lane, told the people to watch out for the bike, they didn't hear and didn't safely open the door, doored the guy, and the guy on the bike didn't feel like calling the cops (he says because the cops are corrupt). What happens after the video isn't relevant to what the first few seconds of the video shows, which is someone opening the door in an unsafe manner, resulting in the dooring of a cyclist lawfully using the bike lane.

                              And in the video, I'm unsure exactly who would take the blame, the taxi driver or the girl opening the door. It's possible they would share the blame. The law says a taxi driver shouldn't pick up or drop off fares in the bike lane. The wording doesn't clarify if it simply means they shouldn't be stopped in the bike lane (which is illegal for any vehicle to do, resulting in a $115 fine) or that they shouldn't stop in a manner that puts the open door in the path of a cyclist in the bike lane (which other laws referring to bike lanes say is legal for commercial vehicles, which as NYC taxis pay CMVT, I would assume they would be regarded as a commercial vehicle). At the same time, the law does say that nobody should open their door in an unsafe manner, which is what the girl did. Many states/cities could do some good and clear up certain laws regarding bicycles/bike lanes.

                              Of course, even in places where the wording is clear as can be, there have been instances where the cyclist is blamed for being doored (in particular, this instance in San Francisco where GEICO tried to blame the cyclist for being doored, despite the law being extremely clear that the person in the vehicle was completely at fault, and even more so as the driver parked illegally in the bike lane). Basically, it's annoying to see cyclists get treated as second class citizens and be blamed for following the law. I keep mentioning Chicago, they seem to understand biking more than other cities, with the harsher penalty for dooring and taking the initiative to build bike lanes that are much safer than the current ones in most cities where it's just a painted section of road. Instead of it going 'sidewalk/parked car/bike lane/road' it's 'sidewalk/bike lane/parked car/road', along with a buffer between the parked car and the bike lane.

                              Until more cities build similar lanes, we're going to constantly have these issues of dooring and blaming one person or the other. At the very least, cities should go the route of "buffered" bike lanes. Santa Monica has these, where I used to ride daily, and it was nice having that extra room as there were certainly people that didn't look and opened their door as I was riding up to/by them.

                              As for why Del Pasqua didn't immediately call police, maybe he didn't think the damage done to him was significant and didn't want to involve police (as we see in that video, and many others on YouTube, a lot of dooring accidents don't get police involved). He could easily have not realized the damage due to adrenaline, it's not uncommon to have a serious injury but don't feel the affects or realize how serious the injury is until later. People have gotten shot or had broken ribs and not realized it due to adrenaline. 

                              Myself, if I was ever doored and required an ambulance, calling the cops is what I would do almost immediately, but everyone is different. For stuff like people unsafely opening their door into a bike lane, the most I've done is yelled at them to pay attention, usually by simply yelling 'watchout!'.

                              ttech, nice pictures! I see what you're saying now. Good job.

                              I support your idea of "sidewalk/bike lane/parked car/road". That is much safer for cyclist and motorist.

                              You didn't mention if you like my riding mower?