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ILLINOIS LOTTERY MOVES TO COMPUTERIZED DRAWINGS

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Posted: September 25, 2015, 3:52 pm - IP Logged

Might start giving Indiana and Wisconsin a shot.

Might start giving Indiana and Wisconsin a shot.

wisCONsin, Pffff... CGN (Computer Generated Nonsense) a.k.a. RNG (Ridiculous Numbers Generator).

We know, when we lived there, we remember the CGN test game Badger 5 when they were going to RNG.

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    Posted: September 25, 2015, 4:07 pm - IP Logged

    My take is for players who select diverse numbers (ie. 524, 100, 034, 7140, 2192, 9155, etc) on traditional numbers games (ie. Pick 3, Pick 4, etc) with no rolling jackpot, there will likely be little real change. While a RND is potentially less random than balls, the number distribution over long periods of time will near certain be similar - lotteries test for this, and so do many players; that's how various RND configuration problems have been discovered.

    In my view, the most likely abuses of computer RND are:

    • Suppressing highly popular numbers (ie. 777, 123, etc) at times to prevent excessive payouts.
    • Suppressing numbers with extremely high wagers (ie. 1,000 tickets played straight on 7140).
    • Choosing a particular combination played heavily by insider(s) (ie. Hot Lotto comes to mind).
    • Forcing jackpot rollovers by excluding any number combination that matches any sold ticket exactly.

    On the flip-side, use of computer RND come with potential risks for the lotteries too:

    • Selecting same numbers multiple times in close succession (ie. 2325 Monday, then two days later, then again the following week, etc).
    • Relating to the above, bursts of draws with patterns, some of which may be highly played numbers, such as triples, quads, etc.
    • Difficult to verify whether a draw is legitimate or not, since much of the operation of an RND can't be physically viewed nor scrutinized in the way physical balls and air machines can. While this can work against players, it can work the other way too.

    Another abuse is redoing the draw / suppressing the results afterwards. However, this type of abuse can be done with regular balls too. How many lotteries perform truly live drawings all the time in front of an audience... Some are good about it, though not 100% consistent. Among the worse offenders, in my view, are the big jackpot (Powerball / Mega Millions) drawings. No studio audience, and often are delayed due to a "technical problem" - maybe it was, or maybe the lottery didn't like the results, and figured on a redo. It's another reason I rarely play MM / PB - I don't fully trust their process despite them using physical balls (except for the multiplier part).

    Ultimately, it comes down to trust regardless of the draw method. Computer RND adds another way to abuse it, and is extremely difficult to scrutinize. Use of computer RND, even if implemented correctly and functioning properly, still reduces the faith many have in the draw process being fair.

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      Posted: September 25, 2015, 4:12 pm - IP Logged

      Illinois lottery players are about to be hosed, for real.

      MPM:       I Agree!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>but,........ WHAT CAN WE DO?  Bat A Pumpkin A BITCH

      Maby, we can ask Lottery Post News to try and get information as to what type of RNG software they will

      use and the suppliers name and company? It may take a year or two 2 get this data or they could provide

      it upon a simple request to the Illinois Lottery Commissioners Office.  Did the Illinois Lottery give a reason

      for this BIG CHANGE?   Do they need more wine, more women, more money or more paid corruption?????

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        Posted: September 25, 2015, 4:57 pm - IP Logged

        Might start giving Indiana and Wisconsin a shot.

        Don't bother with Indiana we already use the R.N.G. drawings.

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          Posted: September 25, 2015, 6:01 pm - IP Logged

          Don't bother with Indiana we already use the R.N.G. drawings.

          Indiana actually switched to real ball drawings for Daily 3 and Daily 4!

           

          Check the State Lottery Report Card
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          Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
          Help eliminate computerized drawings!

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            Posted: September 25, 2015, 7:11 pm - IP Logged

            Illinois Senate consists of the following;
            39 DEMOCRATS  ---- 19 REPUBLICANS 

            Illinois House consists of the following;
            70 DEMOCRATS ----- 47 Republicans

            Wonder who could be the majority part of the problem with recent lottery concerns and changes ? 

            What? 

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              Posted: September 25, 2015, 7:27 pm - IP Logged

              Yuck

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                Posted: September 25, 2015, 7:39 pm - IP Logged

                Well, it just keeps getting better and better in Illinois.

                First they don't pay, now they screw people with RNG draws.

                I feel for you folks up there, and for you Coin Toss.

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                  Posted: September 25, 2015, 7:51 pm - IP Logged

                  Haha I love how the title of this article is in all caps

                  If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
                  If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

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                    Posted: September 25, 2015, 7:52 pm - IP Logged

                    You have a point as far as the risk for the lotteries.  Do you remember for the PA Lottery day draws (which of course has always used a RNG) when 4444 was selected on October 25, 2004 and then the very next day on October 26, 2004 5555 was selected.

                    Can you imagine if we had RNG's back in the day when Nick Perry was involved with the lottery?

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                      Posted: September 25, 2015, 7:52 pm - IP Logged

                      Read this.

                      https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/294241/4289044

                      "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

                      The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

                      Don't just think outside the box, crush it.

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                        Posted: September 25, 2015, 8:04 pm - IP Logged

                        Those of us south of 183rd St in Chicago (actually I think it's south of Decatur) haven't seen a Chicago newscast, which included the lottery drawings, a Cubs or a White Sox game since WGN's new ownership decided not to be a super station anymore.

                        With the RNG drawings added to the non payments to winners of $25K or more it's like the Illinois lottery is trying to self-destruct.

                        So for Illinois the only ball drawings will b PB and MM but if you win between $25,000 and 5 + 0 you won't get paid......there's a Catch Yossarian!

                        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                        Lep

                        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                          Posted: September 25, 2015, 8:49 pm - IP Logged

                          Does it really make a difference to players who buy QPs and let a computer choose their numbers?

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                            Posted: September 25, 2015, 8:52 pm - IP Logged

                            Does it really make a difference to players who buy QPs and let a computer choose their numbers?

                            Yes, because if the drawing is rigged (as happened in Hot Lotto), then your Quick Picks don't even stand a chance of winning.

                            It matters.

                             

                            Check the State Lottery Report Card
                            What grade did your lottery earn?

                             

                            Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
                            Help eliminate computerized drawings!

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                              Posted: September 25, 2015, 9:03 pm - IP Logged

                              Here's some additional reading on this subject that should be interesting.  Compare these two different articles:

                               

                              Check the State Lottery Report Card
                              What grade did your lottery earn?

                               

                              Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
                              Help eliminate computerized drawings!