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ILLINOIS LOTTERY MOVES TO COMPUTERIZED DRAWINGS

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Posted: September 26, 2015, 8:32 pm - IP Logged

Based on some of the comments, lots of members believe a QP is more likely to win a jackpot than a self pick regardless of the fact about 4 times as many QPs are sold. But nobody questions the RNG that creates QPs.

It doesn't matter what RNG creates Quick Picks.  No matter what numbers you have — no matter how they were created, and by what RNG, they should always have the same probability of winning as any other set of numbers.  So putting discussion of the Quick Picks RNG in the same discussion as the drawing RNG is a red herring — it is a side-show that distracts from the point.

The problem is that, as we saw in the Hot Lotto case, it is possible to rig a computerized drawing and hide the fact you did it.

The prosecutors in the case — despite the fact that they won the case — still never were able to SHOW the program the security guy used to hack the drawing.  If the guy was a better thief he would have gotten away with it.

What I wrote way back in 2004 was proved to be true: if you have computerized drawings, your lottery has the possibility of being rigged.  I never said it happens all the time or that it is common, but I said (and I was right) that IT CAN HAPPEN.  Who on Earth would want to play a lottery that could be rigged?

 

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    Posted: September 26, 2015, 8:47 pm - IP Logged

    To me, my thought process as to why they plan on doing this is GREED.  When you take the Public opinion and throw it out the window

    just to lower your cost verses the public  trust, you put your hands in the cookie jar once to often so to speak and could care less what

    John Q. Public thinks. I think it's time for replacement of the commission officers. And, if they can't be replaced it's time to replace the

    one who put them there...

                                                 

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      Posted: September 26, 2015, 8:51 pm - IP Logged

      I play both Missouri and Illinois.

      Wow, both are computerized now.Rant

      The Struggle is real!

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        Posted: September 26, 2015, 9:04 pm - IP Logged

        True enough, RNG used for QP; however the point is that not having lotto balls and using RNG you are really @ their mercy.  Like others have posted, the computer knows what combinations have been sold and lotto balls do not.  The day MM and PB go to RNG will be the last day I play them.

        The Tennessee Lottery didn't have any repeat digits in their pick-3 and pick-4 games for weeks and they are still using the same RNG. The Iowa Lottery proved in court somebody rigged the Hot Lotto drawing, but they still use the same RNG. The point should be "why are people still playing those games?".

        "the computer knows what combinations have been sold and lotto balls do not."

        An RNG could be programmed and connected to the terminals, but even the Iowa and TN Lotteries will say they are not. IMO, just the fact they can be should be enough reason to have live ball drawings. The KY Lottery uses Livestream to show their daily drawings and that can't cost much more than the cartoon RNG drawings.

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          Posted: September 26, 2015, 9:39 pm - IP Logged

          Good Evening

          I contact Illinois Lottery and spoke with a rep there, express my unhappiness will the change, she told me, They will go back to the Ping Pong Ball if they lose million of dollars or received a petition of 100,000 signatures and over 50 to 200 calls a day. I told the rep, I will tell everyone to get a petition going and to call the Illinois Lottery office everyday.

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            Posted: September 26, 2015, 9:51 pm - IP Logged

            It doesn't matter what RNG creates Quick Picks.  No matter what numbers you have — no matter how they were created, and by what RNG, they should always have the same probability of winning as any other set of numbers.  So putting discussion of the Quick Picks RNG in the same discussion as the drawing RNG is a red herring — it is a side-show that distracts from the point.

            The problem is that, as we saw in the Hot Lotto case, it is possible to rig a computerized drawing and hide the fact you did it.

            The prosecutors in the case — despite the fact that they won the case — still never were able to SHOW the program the security guy used to hack the drawing.  If the guy was a better thief he would have gotten away with it.

            What I wrote way back in 2004 was proved to be true: if you have computerized drawings, your lottery has the possibility of being rigged.  I never said it happens all the time or that it is common, but I said (and I was right) that IT CAN HAPPEN.  Who on Earth would want to play a lottery that could be rigged?

            How can lottery games drawn using mechanical drawing machines have a 100% true lottery drawing, despite the fact that they do a pre-test drawing, thereof eliminating possible winning combinations from the post-test drawing?

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              Posted: September 26, 2015, 9:55 pm - IP Logged

              The state knows that people won't stop playing , that is a sad fact...  If everyone would stop playing they would have no choice but to give in and do it correctly...  WE the PEOPLE are FOOLS

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                Posted: September 26, 2015, 10:58 pm - IP Logged

                Hope that Illinois lottery loses all kinds of money with this snubbing of their players.  RNG are also used in slot machines, I know it and still like them slot machines.  I will not, however, play any RNG lottery.  I believe that Five Card Cash here in KY is RNG but not sure.  Everything else is done with the good old bouncing balls.

                RGN used in slots are different because casinos are required to pay back a certain percentage. Also the matrix is much smaller.

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                  Posted: September 26, 2015, 11:38 pm - IP Logged

                  It doesn't matter what RNG creates Quick Picks.  No matter what numbers you have — no matter how they were created, and by what RNG, they should always have the same probability of winning as any other set of numbers.  So putting discussion of the Quick Picks RNG in the same discussion as the drawing RNG is a red herring — it is a side-show that distracts from the point.

                  The problem is that, as we saw in the Hot Lotto case, it is possible to rig a computerized drawing and hide the fact you did it.

                  The prosecutors in the case — despite the fact that they won the case — still never were able to SHOW the program the security guy used to hack the drawing.  If the guy was a better thief he would have gotten away with it.

                  What I wrote way back in 2004 was proved to be true: if you have computerized drawings, your lottery has the possibility of being rigged.  I never said it happens all the time or that it is common, but I said (and I was right) that IT CAN HAPPEN.  Who on Earth would want to play a lottery that could be rigged?

                  "So putting discussion of the Quick Picks RNG in the same discussion as the drawing RNG is a red herring — it is a side-show that distracts from the point. "

                  I thought the discussion was about the possibility of rigging an RNG in general with the intent of getting a desired outcome or preventing multiple winners that could cost a state lottery millions. There was no other tickets, QPs or self picks matching the jackpot winning numbers the drawing the prosecution convinced a jury Tipton rigged. 

                  "Who on Earth would want to play a lottery that could be rigged?"

                  The people who are still playing Hot Lotto?.

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                    Posted: September 27, 2015, 12:48 am - IP Logged

                    RNG or no RNG, there will always be people who swear up and down the lottery is rigged yet, amusingly, they still keep playing. Same with casinos, stock market, tax schemes, welfare programs, and life in general. You really can't win because people will always come up with reasons to whine about things purposefully designed to extract money from their pockets.

                    If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
                    If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

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                      Posted: September 27, 2015, 1:12 am - IP Logged

                      Essentially they turned every Lottery Retailer into a Toll Booth... WAY TO GO!!!

                      I Agree!

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                        Posted: September 27, 2015, 2:45 am - IP Logged

                        I know I will NOT win so no I dont run down to the local market to play,The rest of Tn players can throw it away if they want to.

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                          I know I will NOT win so no I dont run down to the local market to play,The rest of Tn players can throw it away if they want to.

                          this is an outrage. totaly bs.

                          i guess i won't be playing the pick 3 &4 anymore.Rant

                          i want to be a millionaire a second time!

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                            Posted: September 27, 2015, 12:17 pm - IP Logged

                            How can lottery games drawn using mechanical drawing machines have a 100% true lottery drawing, despite the fact that they do a pre-test drawing, thereof eliminating possible winning combinations from the post-test drawing?

                            How could you think that a pre-test has anything to do with it being a real drawing?

                             

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                              Posted: September 27, 2015, 12:22 pm - IP Logged

                              RNG or no RNG, there will always be people who swear up and down the lottery is rigged yet, amusingly, they still keep playing. Same with casinos, stock market, tax schemes, welfare programs, and life in general. You really can't win because people will always come up with reasons to whine about things purposefully designed to extract money from their pockets.

                               I Agree!     ^^^THIS^^^

                               

                              This answers your question, Stack47.  It has nothing to do with "nobody" playing a game that could be rigged.  It has to do with the lotteries being extremely short-sighted:  They are saving a few dollars by switching to computerized drawings, but they are losing revenue because many people either won't play or won't play as much.

                              The lottery loses the confidence of its players when they make the dumb decision to drop real drawings.

                              There are many ways to cut back on the expense of a live drawing, rather than just eliminating it.  Texas is a wonderful model for other states to follow.

                               

                              Check the State Lottery Report Card
                              What grade did your lottery earn?

                               

                              Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
                              Help eliminate computerized drawings!