ILLINOIS LOTTERY MOVES TO COMPUTERIZED DRAWINGS

Sep 25, 2015, 2:15 pm (71 comments)

Illinois Lottery

By Todd Northrop

If the Illinois Lottery issued stocks, now would be the time to sell. 

Despite widespread player sentiment that is strongly against computerized drawings, the Illinois Lottery stated Friday that it is dropping real lottery ball drawings, and moving to the despised computerized draws.

Computerized drawings are conducted by having a computer system that picks the winning numbers using a Random Number Generator, or "RNG".  Players generally dislike the fact that it is impossible for a human to witness the drawing taking place, since it just consists of software running inside a computer.

Worse, computerized drawings have been at the heart of several instances of drawing errors that have gone unchecked sometimes for months at a time.  They were also used to rig a Hot Lotto drawing.  (See MUSL security worker who rigged drawing gets 10 years, Lottery Post, Sept. 9, 2015.)

Illinois lottery players should buy their tickets now, because real drawings won't last much longer.  The dreaded new drawings will begin on Oct. 1.  Computerized drawings will be used across the board, for Pick 3, Pick 4, Lotto with Extra Shot, and Lucky Day Lotto.

Illinois Lottery officials call the move to computerized drawings "exciting".

"For over 25 years, WGN-TV has been the television home of the Illinois Lottery," said B.R. Lane, Acting Director of the Illinois Lottery, in a statement. "While we have been proud to partner with WGN over the years, the new digital draw system will allow us to open an exciting new chapter in Illinois Lottery history, on behalf of our players."

For their part, WGN officials were gracious about the Illinois Lottery move.

"The Illinois Lottery has been a great partner with us over the years," said Greg Easterly, President and General Manager, WGN-TV. "They have decided to take their live lottery drawings in a different direction and we understand their changing business needs. We value and appreciate the long term relationship we have enjoyed with the Illinois Lottery."

The new "digital draw system" will utilize a Random Number Generator, or RNG, to select winning numbers. RNG systems are currently used by the Illinois Lottery for "quick picks" at retail locations, as well as to select winning numbers for raffle games. 

Lottery Post has long railed against computerized drawings, and has warned about the possible dangers of computerized drawings since 2004. The rigging of the $16 million Hot Lotto drawing in 2011 occurred in the exact manner that Lottery Post described in its prescient warning.

More information regarding the digital draw system can be found at www.illinoislottery.com/dailydrawings.

Players who wish to voice their opinions to the Illinois Lottery can do so by sending them an e-mail at: LotteryInfo@NorthstarLottery.net.

Lottery Post Staff

Comments

JADELottery's avatarJADELottery

In Case of R.N.G.

Press, HARD.

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

RNG? Seriously?. More like one step forward, 1000 steps backwards. Oh, I almost forgot, this is Illinois politics we are talking about. Shame!!!.

JADELottery's avatarJADELottery
mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Illinois lottery players are about to be hosed, for real.

temptustoo's avatartemptustoo

Great reason to just stop playing.  They have finally put the nail in the coffin.  Leave it to these states that have went to computer to mess up a great lottery..  that is typical of politics and government getting involved long enough to screw things up...  Good bye lottery.........

JADELottery's avatarJADELottery

Essentially they turned every Lottery Retailer into a Toll Booth... WAY TO GO!!!

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Lottery officials call the move "exciting"

Ever notice how these "officials" are "excited" by things that don't effect them on a retail level ?

I wonder how "excited" they'll be when they realize that many people that live near the border

are buying in other states !

Some already are B/C of the non-payment on prizes over $25G

JordanT1021's avatarJordanT1021

R.I.P.

WWWBUKTN

Quote: Originally posted by temptustoo on Sep 25, 2015

Great reason to just stop playing.  They have finally put the nail in the coffin.  Leave it to these states that have went to computer to mess up a great lottery..  that is typical of politics and government getting involved long enough to screw things up...  Good bye lottery.........

You hit the nail on the head.  As a disgusted Illinois player well before I caught wind of this today you can be assured that I'm finished playing the Illinois Lottery.  If there's not balls bouncing around they there's nothing "random" about it in my book.    I'm honestly done and I already dropped my play about 60% over the last year anyhow when they started screwing around with the frequency, matrix's and payouts of Lucky Day.   Illinois Lottery is no more than an open till for politicians.   I can't believe they are stupid enough to shoot the golden goose, I'm mean that's straight insanity but good for them as I've hated them for years and even more now after sending Northstar packing but not changing back all the nonsense game changes.   Goodnight Illinois Lottery and thanks for the extra money that will be lining my pockets starting day one when you stop pulling balls.

spartan1707's avatarspartan1707

Another SAD DAY for us players....Those computers pick the less picked number to ensure the House wins and keeps high picked one out. Those are facts. Every state which uses it have doubled or even tripled their earnings and given high bonuses to the company which run them. Hate it!

Get paid's avatarGet paid

Sounds like typical american politics to me.

luteman

Might start giving Indiana and Wisconsin a shot.

noise-gate

Don't these outfits ever learn? They keep circling the bowl until the suction takes them down.The sad part is that the hard earned money of the players goes down with their ridiculous ideas.Why did they not put this " exciting " idea to a vote by the playing public or better yet-"Read LP'S succinct thought on the matter? This is called ramming an idea down the throats of the players and telling them  "  Don't worry,like most medications it only tastes bad at first, but you'll get used to it."

pdevans

Hey, Spartan, I'm in Georgia, and I can't prove it, but I have always suspected that the computer picked the least played numbers....our All or Nothing game is computerized by the way, and has been around for about 1 1/2 years and no one hardly wins....kinda suspicious to me.

Anyway, do you know where I can go to get facts or information on this. 

 

 

 

Thanks

JADELottery's avatarJADELottery

Quote: Originally posted by luteman on Sep 25, 2015

Might start giving Indiana and Wisconsin a shot.

Might start giving Indiana and Wisconsin a shot.

wisCONsin, Pffff... CGN (Computer Generated Nonsense) a.k.a. RNG (Ridiculous Numbers Generator).

We know, when we lived there, we remember the CGN test game Badger 5 when they were going to RNG.

Ron5995

My take is for players who select diverse numbers (ie. 524, 100, 034, 7140, 2192, 9155, etc) on traditional numbers games (ie. Pick 3, Pick 4, etc) with no rolling jackpot, there will likely be little real change. While a RND is potentially less random than balls, the number distribution over long periods of time will near certain be similar - lotteries test for this, and so do many players; that's how various RND configuration problems have been discovered.

In my view, the most likely abuses of computer RND are:

  • Suppressing highly popular numbers (ie. 777, 123, etc) at times to prevent excessive payouts.
  • Suppressing numbers with extremely high wagers (ie. 1,000 tickets played straight on 7140).
  • Choosing a particular combination played heavily by insider(s) (ie. Hot Lotto comes to mind).
  • Forcing jackpot rollovers by excluding any number combination that matches any sold ticket exactly.

On the flip-side, use of computer RND come with potential risks for the lotteries too:

  • Selecting same numbers multiple times in close succession (ie. 2325 Monday, then two days later, then again the following week, etc).
  • Relating to the above, bursts of draws with patterns, some of which may be highly played numbers, such as triples, quads, etc.
  • Difficult to verify whether a draw is legitimate or not, since much of the operation of an RND can't be physically viewed nor scrutinized in the way physical balls and air machines can. While this can work against players, it can work the other way too.

Another abuse is redoing the draw / suppressing the results afterwards. However, this type of abuse can be done with regular balls too. How many lotteries perform truly live drawings all the time in front of an audience... Some are good about it, though not 100% consistent. Among the worse offenders, in my view, are the big jackpot (Powerball / Mega Millions) drawings. No studio audience, and often are delayed due to a "technical problem" - maybe it was, or maybe the lottery didn't like the results, and figured on a redo. It's another reason I rarely play MM / PB - I don't fully trust their process despite them using physical balls (except for the multiplier part).

Ultimately, it comes down to trust regardless of the draw method. Computer RND adds another way to abuse it, and is extremely difficult to scrutinize. Use of computer RND, even if implemented correctly and functioning properly, still reduces the faith many have in the draw process being fair.

psykomo's avatarpsykomo

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Sep 25, 2015

Illinois lottery players are about to be hosed, for real.

MPM:       I Agree!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>but,........ WHAT CAN WE DO?  Bat A Pumpkin A BITCH

Maby, we can ask Lottery Post News to try and get information as to what type of RNG software they will

use and the suppliers name and company? It may take a year or two 2 get this data or they could provide

it upon a simple request to the Illinois Lottery Commissioners Office.  Did the Illinois Lottery give a reason

for this BIG CHANGE?   Do they need more wine, more women, more money or more paid corruption?????

Saylorgirl's avatarSaylorgirl

Quote: Originally posted by luteman on Sep 25, 2015

Might start giving Indiana and Wisconsin a shot.

Don't bother with Indiana we already use the R.N.G. drawings.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Saylorgirl on Sep 25, 2015

Don't bother with Indiana we already use the R.N.G. drawings.

Indiana actually switched to real ball drawings for Daily 3 and Daily 4!

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

Illinois Senate consists of the following;
39 DEMOCRATS  ---- 19 REPUBLICANS 

Illinois House consists of the following;
70 DEMOCRATS ----- 47 Republicans

Wonder who could be the majority part of the problem with recent lottery concerns and changes ? 

What? 

Romancandle's avatarRomancandle

Yuck

rcbbuckeye's avatarrcbbuckeye

Well, it just keeps getting better and better in Illinois.

First they don't pay, now they screw people with RNG draws.

I feel for you folks up there, and for you Coin Toss.

LottoMetro's avatarLottoMetro

Haha I love how the title of this article is in all caps

david1691

You have a point as far as the risk for the lotteries.  Do you remember for the PA Lottery day draws (which of course has always used a RNG) when 4444 was selected on October 25, 2004 and then the very next day on October 26, 2004 5555 was selected.

Can you imagine if we had RNG's back in the day when Nick Perry was involved with the lottery?

grwurston's avatargrwurston

Read this.

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/294241/4289044

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Those of us south of 183rd St in Chicago (actually I think it's south of Decatur) haven't seen a Chicago newscast, which included the lottery drawings, a Cubs or a White Sox game since WGN's new ownership decided not to be a super station anymore.

With the RNG drawings added to the non payments to winners of $25K or more it's like the Illinois lottery is trying to self-destruct.

So for Illinois the only ball drawings will b PB and MM but if you win between $25,000 and 5 + 0 you won't get paid......there's a Catch Yossarian!

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by JADELottery on Sep 25, 2015

Gee, what're the odds.

ALERT Illinois: You're about to be Computerized.

Does it really make a difference to players who buy QPs and let a computer choose their numbers?

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Sep 25, 2015

Does it really make a difference to players who buy QPs and let a computer choose their numbers?

Yes, because if the drawing is rigged (as happened in Hot Lotto), then your Quick Picks don't even stand a chance of winning.

It matters.

Todd's avatarTodd

Here's some additional reading on this subject that should be interesting.  Compare these two different articles:

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Sep 25, 2015

Does it really make a difference to players who buy QPs and let a computer choose their numbers?

Whoa, Check your shoes Stack- looks like you stepped in it...

ekem6078's avatarekem6078

Once the computer skans your ticket, it knows what you are playing &  how many people are playing that same number. and that number will not drop out, if it did they would go broke. Now what's randon about that.  Js.

Bleudog101

Quote: Originally posted by ekem6078 on Sep 26, 2015

Once the computer skans your ticket, it knows what you are playing &  how many people are playing that same number. and that number will not drop out, if it did they would go broke. Now what's randon about that.  Js.

Hope that Illinois lottery loses all kinds of money with this snubbing of their players.  RNG are also used in slot machines, I know it and still like them slot machines.  I will not, however, play any RNG lottery.  I believe that Five Card Cash here in KY is RNG but not sure.  Everything else is done with the good old bouncing balls.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

How soon people forget.

From 9-16-2010

CHICAGO: Illinois' governor has awarded a lucrative, first-of-its-kind contract to manage the Illinois Lottery to a private company with strong ties to the lotto.

The move on Wednesday hands over daily control to of the $2 billion games for 10 years to some of the most powerful players in the business.

Illinois will be the first state to entirely privatize the management and marketing of its lottery, a move mandated by legislators as a way to help boost revenue and attract new players. The state will retain ownership and regulatory oversight.

Gov. Pat Quinn says that hiring a private manager to run the lottery is a creative way to increase revenue.

Northstar beat out one other finalist, Camelot Group, which runs the United Kingdom Lottery.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/16/quinn-privatizes-illinois_n_719330.html

Gee, guess what party Quinn belongs to.

butch2030's avatarbutch2030

Need I say any more?  All you have to do is go to the Capital in Springfield, IL.  I am sure it is a big misunderstanding in Springfield.  When they were passing out Brains when the legislators were born, they thought they said "Trains", and they all asked for SLOW ones.   The people in IL already don't trust the government, and now, they go are going to a RNG.  Look up the word Trustworthy. You are heading & have been headed in the wrong direction.  You're just adding another LOG onto the FIRE..................

Forrest Gump

I still wear my tee shirt - " I am from ILLINOIS, where our Governors make our License Plates! "

Bleudog101

Quote: Originally posted by butch2030 on Sep 26, 2015

Need I say any more?  All you have to do is go to the Capital in Springfield, IL.  I am sure it is a big misunderstanding in Springfield.  When they were passing out Brains when the legislators were born, they thought they said "Trains", and they all asked for SLOW ones.   The people in IL already don't trust the government, and now, they go are going to a RNG.  Look up the word Trustworthy. You are heading & have been headed in the wrong direction.  You're just adding another LOG onto the FIRE..................

Forrest Gump

I still wear my tee shirt - " I am from ILLINOIS, where our Governors make our License Plates! "

Saying I heard was when God if they wanted Brains they said 'No thanks, I already have a set of trains'.

Gleno's avatarGleno

They are really going to lose credibility with these computerized drawings.

As if they really had any since they are not paying out on prized over $25K.

Group Hug

Raven62's avatarRaven62

Quote: Originally posted by psykomo on Sep 25, 2015

MPM:       I Agree!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>but,........ WHAT CAN WE DO?  Bat A Pumpkin A BITCH

Maby, we can ask Lottery Post News to try and get information as to what type of RNG software they will

use and the suppliers name and company? It may take a year or two 2 get this data or they could provide

it upon a simple request to the Illinois Lottery Commissioners Office.  Did the Illinois Lottery give a reason

for this BIG CHANGE?   Do they need more wine, more women, more money or more paid corruption?????

The Lottery Post Petition Against Computerized Drawing?

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

Quote: Originally posted by on May 15, 2024

As usual there will always be one or two that like to deflect when a question is asked. Assumption is the mother of all screw-ups. Trickle down economy is constantly failure. Tying the lottery to the budget(being agreed upon) is completely gormless.
The bottom line is that state's elected leaders are the problem. Stemming from past to current decisions. No body said the Democrats were the cause of the problem or the Republicans were the answer. The question was asked who is the responsible group for the problem.

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

And here you go again..deflecting the issue from the state with the problem to another state..New Jersey was not mentioned,please stay on topic.

Romancandle's avatarRomancandle

Maybe it's coincidence, but timing this news with the current situation of not paying out prizes makes IL look like a bunch of clowns...

TnTicketlosers's avatarTnTicketlosers

I wish they would just close all the Lottery ,across the USA,Shut the crooks down for good.Then they would act right.Most of the states are crooked anyway and they get by with it.Tennessee is the biggest one.Proven fact.Players that support it dont win nothing.The RNG sees what you play and fix it accordingly...we are not stuipid.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by TnTicketlosers on Sep 26, 2015

I wish they would just close all the Lottery ,across the USA,Shut the crooks down for good.Then they would act right.Most of the states are crooked anyway and they get by with it.Tennessee is the biggest one.Proven fact.Players that support it dont win nothing.The RNG sees what you play and fix it accordingly...we are not stuipid.

I don't think we need to go as far as shutting down all, just need folks to vote with their wallet

RNG = do not play.

Problem is... some occasional players don't even know about it.

Some may not think about it each time.

I plead guilty to the last item, earlier this year I bought some HOTLOTTO on a trip to Delaware,

didn't know it was an RNG game cause we don't have it in Jersey.

Later looked at LP's lotto report card and will not repeat that mistake.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Sep 25, 2015

Whoa, Check your shoes Stack- looks like you stepped in it...

Based on some of the comments, lots of members believe a QP is more likely to win a jackpot than a self pick regardless of the fact about 4 times as many QPs are sold. But nobody questions the RNG that creates QPs.

Bleudog101

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Sep 26, 2015

Based on some of the comments, lots of members believe a QP is more likely to win a jackpot than a self pick regardless of the fact about 4 times as many QPs are sold. But nobody questions the RNG that creates QPs.

True enough, RNG used for QP; however the point is that not having lotto balls and using RNG you are really @ their mercy.  Like others have posted, the computer knows what combinations have been sold and lotto balls do not.  The day MM and PB go to RNG will be the last day I play them.

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