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No $50K bonus for Washington retailer who sold winning lottery ticket

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Posted: March 10, 2016, 3:48 pm - IP Logged

If you're Nirbhai Singh, 36, who started out delivering for Pizza Hut and now owns a couple of 7-Elevens, what else can you do but be philosophical about losing out on $50,000?

It was his West Seattle store at 9200 35th Ave. S.W. that sold the winning $157 million ticket in Tuesday's Mega Millions jackpot.

The winner has yet to come forward.

As for Singh, whom everybody calls "Sonny," until last year his store would have gotten a $50,000 bonus for selling a winning Powerball or Mega Millions ticket.

Lots of states have such bonuses as a way to entice stores to participate.

But last year, in wrangling out a budget, the Washington Legislature decided that, hey, we can increase revenue by reducing commissions to stores selling lottery tickets.

The state got rid of all bonuses, including 1 percent for jackpots in the state Lotto and Hit 5. In Fiscal 2015 that had amounted to $468,000, spread among 57 retailers.

So. Time to be philosophical.

"That's OK. What can I do?" says Sonny. "It's the law. It's not just something done to me."

Still.

"It'd have been nice to wake up and get $50,000," he says.

His family is from India, and he's worked hard to own those two 7-Elevens. The pizza delivery, then driving for a limo service, getting help from his parents to buy his first franchise, putting in the hours at the store.

Sonny says he had to explain to his employees that he really wasn't getting a bonus that could possibly be shared with them.

"They were wondering," says Sonny.

An association that represents independent grocers in this state says its 385 members "are pretty angry" about the end of bonuses.

"This happened right at the tail end of the last session. There was never a bill or any discussion," says Jan Gee, head of the Washington Food Industry Association. "It was one of those things they did behind closed doors."

The amorphous legislative staff decided it needed $12 million more from the lottery.

So gone were the big bonuses to stores, gone were commissions for selling jackpot tickets in the state Lotto and in Hit 5.

And decreased from 6 percent to 5 percent were commissions for selling tickets to individual state games, and decreased from 7 percent to 5 percent were commissions for selling tickets for multi-state games.

"It's discouraging when this happens," says Gee.

There weren't many big bonuses such as the $50,000 that would have been given to Sonny.

But when it happened, says Gee, "A small, family-owned type store could buy a new refrigeration unit, or a new oven for the bakery."

The Washington Lottery says it is planning to celebrate Sonny's 7-Eleven selling the winning $157 million ticket with a media event and some big signs for his store.

See, Sonny?

Win-win.

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I agree, why should retailers get bonuses? Retailers should get commission on sales, but not anything for just selling a winning ticket. I only play by subscription, which raises more revenue, which is the reason for lotteries.

We all get a lot out of lotteries!

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    Posted: March 10, 2016, 4:53 pm - IP Logged

    Oh, the horror.

    Why does a retailer deserve anything extra for not doing anything extra?


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      Posted: March 10, 2016, 5:33 pm - IP Logged

      Oh, the horror.

      Why does a retailer deserve anything extra for not doing anything extra?

      their bonus should only be that by selling tickets they get more customers into their stores to buy their products.

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        I know one thing, here in the state of California, If Nirbhai Singh had a 7-Eleven store here, he would have received a bonus check for $1,000,000.  California doesn't squeak when some store sells a big winning Powerball or Mega Millions lottery ticket. I know that there are states that when someone wins big in a state lottery, the selling store only gets a bonus check of $10,000.00. What a shame.

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          Simpsonville
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          I know one thing, here in the state of California, If Nirbhai Singh had a 7-Eleven store here, he would have received a bonus check for $1,000,000.  California doesn't squeak when some store sells a big winning Powerball or Mega Millions lottery ticket. I know that there are states that when someone wins big in a state lottery, the selling store only gets a bonus check of $10,000.00. What a shame.

          That is nice to hear.  Wish your Legislature would approve Powerplay/Megaplier.  Most instances the 'poor' winner with five #'s gets nowhere near $1 million, just once in a blue moon.

          How convenient of the WA state Leg. branch they change the rules when they felt like it.

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            I know one thing, here in the state of California, If Nirbhai Singh had a 7-Eleven store here, he would have received a bonus check for $1,000,000.  California doesn't squeak when some store sells a big winning Powerball or Mega Millions lottery ticket. I know that there are states that when someone wins big in a state lottery, the selling store only gets a bonus check of $10,000.00. What a shame.

            Also, the whole lotto system, may change its matrix. Don't forget about that. We all may have to change our play slips, again.

            WHAT A HORRIBLE BUNCH OF GARBAGE.

            • Don't chase the numbers you play.
            • Play only numbers you've already played, plus however many random picks.
            • But, ALWAYS the regular numbers you play.  This will make you a winner, not a chaser.
                      (so far, though, I've yet to win any significant lotto prize)
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              Posted: March 10, 2016, 10:13 pm - IP Logged

              Oh, the horror.

              Why does a retailer deserve anything extra for not doing anything extra?

              Something about your post does NOT read right, OR you're saying Mr. Singh doesn't deserve the bonus that Washington State just 86ed.

              Any convenience store that sells Lotto IS working, selling lotto tickets. Yes, that deserves some pay from the state.

              They are working, to sell the tickets. So, why the hell NOT?

              So, if you're saying Mr. Singh does NOT deserve anything, I say he needs to sue for it.

              What is his incentive, if he sells tickets the public and is not re-imbursed?

              • Don't chase the numbers you play.
              • Play only numbers you've already played, plus however many random picks.
              • But, ALWAYS the regular numbers you play.  This will make you a winner, not a chaser.
                        (so far, though, I've yet to win any significant lotto prize)
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                Posted: March 11, 2016, 3:31 am - IP Logged

                the bonus is just for a  winner, their bread and butter is the  sales commission. cutting it form 6-5% and %7-5%. is acctually reducuced pay, for the same job.

                 

                its a %16.6 pay cut for the retailers. on all sales, not just the jackpot winner.

                lets see all state pollies take a %16 paycut. id suggest a boycott on 16% of lottery tickets sales, ie for next 2 months no sales.  see of the state wants to continue.

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                  Posted: March 11, 2016, 6:07 am - IP Logged

                  Wow,  that's sad-

                  I suppose the next thing would be a 5% handling charge of all wins over $500, on top of the taxes they already take out....

                  "Everybody has to believe in something...I believe I'll have another beer!"   = W.C.Fields                      

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                    Greed States never have Enough $$$ They Must not teach How to Budget Money in School any more

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                      It would be nice to see All store's selling any kind of lottery tickets, stop selling for 1 week. But i don't think that would happen. Then it would be nice for people to stop buying in that state for a week but again doubt that would happen. Next election vote those people out that made this happen, again doubt this will happen, so we are left with State getting away with this and other States will follow, until all states steal this money for themselves. And I thought in the USA the people voted on how things work or run, Oh yeah thats how it is supposed to be, but not in real life. SAD just plain SAD

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                        Posted: March 11, 2016, 10:49 am - IP Logged

                        Thinking more on this topic.. taking this from the stores, which have to not only stock all these tickets/machines/tv's /paper/ trash in barrels/ and personel to sell them. What happens to all the Profits that each State makes after selling lottery tickets after payouts. I have yet to see any state not making huge money of selling lottery tickets. yes store did nothing different selling tickets that are winners but neither did the state, yet did not reduce what the state takes out of each game or winnings. plain GREED..

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                          This doesn't surprise me and causes me upset with all these changes that the states lay claim to nowadays.

                          So the legislature decides to get rid of bonuses in Washington and just keep taking from the lottery playing public and people like Singh who owns the

                          store that won the ticket, even when they are clearly wrong for doing so. No wonder people are angrier with government.

                          I had played  the lottery in the past when it seemed less contrived and rigged.

                          I hope lottery players are angry enough not to play to slump Powerball and Mega Millions sales. The truth is there to see. The MUSL changed the Powerball

                          odds to 1 in 259 million; the odds weren't better before (1 in 175 million) but are extremely bad now with even more states cooking up more participation

                          and higher numbers and ticket prices.  Remember when the ticket was $1?! Where did that go?!! I know they changed that some time ago and it's high

                          time they changed it back.

                          And the lottery commission headed by Gary Grief (please feel free to besiege

                          him with your complaints), decided to give people the impression that we want to win smaller prizes. I've heard people complaining that they want smaller

                          prizes. Well wish granted. Now we might be lucky to get that $4 we all hoped for!! Not the million or PowerPlay that you want of course.

                          Guess what folks? It has been thru some obscure allocations and crazy math that this isn't even possible. So now the lottery playing public is funneling more

                          money to these greedy commissioners and states who seem to steal money from people's pockets these days more than ever before.

                          Please let them lower the odds, numbers and ticket prices. They are too much even for Mega Millions and Powerball. Boycott these games please!

                          Only when these games fail will they realize what a horrific mistake they have made. People need to be enlightened. I'm here to help with that.

                          And the larger jackpot is but a mirage they want the public to buy into; such was the case with the 1.3 billion jackpot in January 2016.

                          That is the lottery commission's claim to win it all. The win is purely for them and not for the lottery playing public.

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                            i remember one particular convenience store when the billion dollar lottery was selling tickets, I was talking to the owner/clerk on how the sales were going.  She said all her store was selling was lottery tickets and nothing else. Which meant no money was being made off the tickets.  I could be wrong but I dont think so.

                            The greedhead politicians have infiltrated the lottery, whats next.  I agree we need to find out the individuals who made these decisions and vote them out.  It will continue into every facet of life if it is not stopped.

                            And it does surprise me, with all the disgust by Americans for the actions of ALL government officials that these jerks have the nerve to pull this off albeit on the q.t.  How stinking lousy are their actions.

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                              I realize that some of you expect the state to hand out something for nothing (despite bitching about your taxes and the other ways the government spends money), but why do you think a retailer should get something extra for selling a big winner? What did retailers do when they sold somebody a big winner that's any different than what they did when they sold people all of the small winners and all of the losing tickets?

                              I know that a lot of you could be the poster child for the "lottery players are bad at math" campaign, but what percentage of lottery retailers do you suppose this will affect? If you're not bad at math and have a bit of common sense it should be incredibly easy to get an answer that's within 2 to 3%.  Why should those retailers be awarded differently than all of the other retailers?