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No $50K bonus for Washington retailer who sold winning lottery ticket

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Posted: March 11, 2016, 1:03 pm - IP Logged

I realize that some of you expect the state to hand out something for nothing (despite bitching about your taxes and the other ways the government spends money), but why do you think a retailer should get something extra for selling a big winner? What did retailers do when they sold somebody a big winner that's any different than what they did when they sold people all of the small winners and all of the losing tickets?

I know that a lot of you could be the poster child for the "lottery players are bad at math" campaign, but what percentage of lottery retailers do you suppose this will affect? If you're not bad at math and have a bit of common sense it should be incredibly easy to get an answer that's within 2 to 3%.  Why should those retailers be awarded differently than all of the other retailers?

It's all chance OK?  For you, me and everyone that plays.
Also for the many convenience stores that sell the tickets.

It's all a chance game, hosted by the states.

If one person wins, and the other doesn't, too doggone bad.

  • Don't chase the numbers you play.
  • Play only numbers you've already played, plus however many random picks.
  • But, ALWAYS the regular numbers you play.  This will make you a winner, not a chaser.
            (so far, though, I've yet to win any significant lotto prize)
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    Posted: March 11, 2016, 1:13 pm - IP Logged

    This doesn't surprise me and causes me upset with all these changes that the states lay claim to nowadays.

    So the legislature decides to get rid of bonuses in Washington and just keep taking from the lottery playing public and people like Singh who owns the

    store that won the ticket, even when they are clearly wrong for doing so. No wonder people are angrier with government.

    I had played  the lottery in the past when it seemed less contrived and rigged.

    I hope lottery players are angry enough not to play to slump Powerball and Mega Millions sales. The truth is there to see. The MUSL changed the Powerball

    odds to 1 in 259 million; the odds weren't better before (1 in 175 million) but are extremely bad now with even more states cooking up more participation

    and higher numbers and ticket prices.  Remember when the ticket was $1?! Where did that go?!! I know they changed that some time ago and it's high

    time they changed it back.

    And the lottery commission headed by Gary Grief (please feel free to besiege

    him with your complaints), decided to give people the impression that we want to win smaller prizes. I've heard people complaining that they want smaller

    prizes. Well wish granted. Now we might be lucky to get that $4 we all hoped for!! Not the million or PowerPlay that you want of course.

    Guess what folks? It has been thru some obscure allocations and crazy math that this isn't even possible. So now the lottery playing public is funneling more

    money to these greedy commissioners and states who seem to steal money from people's pockets these days more than ever before.

    Please let them lower the odds, numbers and ticket prices. They are too much even for Mega Millions and Powerball. Boycott these games please!

    Only when these games fail will they realize what a horrific mistake they have made. People need to be enlightened. I'm here to help with that.

    And the larger jackpot is but a mirage they want the public to buy into; such was the case with the 1.3 billion jackpot in January 2016.

    That is the lottery commission's claim to win it all. The win is purely for them and not for the lottery playing public.

    Welcome aboard, new member.

    I agree with a lot of what you're saying. But please, no boycott of either game.

    And yes, we had discussions here, recently regarding how they gouge the top prizes. I'm not happy with that at all.

    Billion dollar jackpot?  Really?  Where?  When?   
    How much did each winner of that prize actually take home? 

    What a laugh! ! !

    But, I for one will still play, because I know I can play with my head on my shoulders.  I just want to win 1.2 million dollars.
    I don't need any more.

    And, I feel sorry for Mr. Singh.  With his 2 7/11 stores, having brought his family over from India, which started with Mr. Singh delivering pizzas.

    • Don't chase the numbers you play.
    • Play only numbers you've already played, plus however many random picks.
    • But, ALWAYS the regular numbers you play.  This will make you a winner, not a chaser.
              (so far, though, I've yet to win any significant lotto prize)
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      Posted: March 11, 2016, 1:23 pm - IP Logged

      There are millions of laws made at local,state and federal levels that we will never

      know what they are till they start enforcing them. This one poped-up and BIT this

      7-11 retailer before he had a chance to "KNOW ABOUT IT" What Difference does it make

      ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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        Posted: March 12, 2016, 12:18 am - IP Logged

        That's so wrong!These people who work at these stores print out 1000s and 1000s of tixs a day!They deserve something....wow!if i were them I would just get rid of the lottery machine in the store.that is a shame...that is so fowl to reduce these commissions to the stores...if it were not for these stores and the employee's who work in them the lottery would be out of business!

        I'M A WINNER!!!!!!!!Drum

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          Posted: March 12, 2016, 12:32 am - IP Logged

          This new law of not paying the store owners for selling their tickets goes along with the same B/S laws that came down when the state decided to stop using the numbered balls and went to the random number generator. And all of that is the same B/S of a story of the Eddie Tipton Story. He was the guy who was the head securities director for the Multistate Lottery Commission and was arrested for fraud after putting a virus into the computer that calls the lottery numbers. This virus allowed him to figure out which numbers would be called and although he wasn't suppose to be playing, being part of the lottery commission, he now has 10 years for a felony conviction. There are 37 other states looking to file other chargers. Now, one can only wonder the real reason why the state stopped picking the numbers with the balls and went to the random number generator! They claim that not enough people was watching to pay for T.V. time and that the number machine and balls were to expensive. No one wants to talk about the fact that once the sales of tickets are stopped at 7:45 and the game is called at 8:00pm there is a 15 minute time laps for them to compare numbers that the people bought as oppose to the numbers that they call. I wrote to the governor and the state congresswoman and did not get any reply!!! I wonder if one can file a Class Action on this matter!!!

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            Posted: March 12, 2016, 2:17 am - IP Logged

            Unbelievable. This has to be the first time in the history of Lotto that a Patel was ripped off.

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              Unbelievable. This has to be the first time in the history of Lotto that a Patel was ripped off.

              good one red.

               

              just think if the states went to online sales, they could keep all the sales commissions for themselves

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                Posted: March 12, 2016, 11:47 am - IP Logged

                There are millions of laws made at local,state and federal levels that we will never

                know what they are till they start enforcing them. This one poped-up and BIT this

                7-11 retailer before he had a chance to "KNOW ABOUT IT" What Difference does it make

                ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

                Google the simple question, "how many laws are there".........this popped up>>>>>>>about 468,000,000 results, therefore bet they

                have thousands of laws governing the lottery, playing the lottery or claiming lottery prises and jackpots. More are passed each

                and everyday and that 7-11 retailer stated he never had a chance to "know about it" ......but it cost him.......DIDN'T IT???????

                so WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?????? cause "I" or "ME" don't kare cause it didn't cost me nothing, did IT??????

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                  Politicans  are dam SLIMMEY  and GREEDY!!!Mad 

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                    Posted: March 14, 2016, 12:42 pm - IP Logged

                    Wow that sucks, especially since Washington wins more MM and PB jackpots than New York, Florida, and California combined.  Perhaps it's time to ban Washington from multi state games?

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                      Posted: March 14, 2016, 1:25 pm - IP Logged

                      If you're Nirbhai Singh, 36, who started out delivering for Pizza Hut and now owns a couple of 7-Elevens, what else can you do but be philosophical about losing out on $50,000?

                      It was his West Seattle store at 9200 35th Ave. S.W. that sold the winning $157 million ticket in Tuesday's Mega Millions jackpot.

                      The winner has yet to come forward.

                      As for Singh, whom everybody calls "Sonny," until last year his store would have gotten a $50,000 bonus for selling a winning Powerball or Mega Millions ticket.

                      Lots of states have such bonuses as a way to entice stores to participate.

                      But last year, in wrangling out a budget, the Washington Legislature decided that, hey, we can increase revenue by reducing commissions to stores selling lottery tickets.

                      The state got rid of all bonuses, including 1 percent for jackpots in the state Lotto and Hit 5. In Fiscal 2015 that had amounted to $468,000, spread among 57 retailers.

                      So. Time to be philosophical.

                      "That's OK. What can I do?" says Sonny. "It's the law. It's not just something done to me."

                      Still.

                      "It'd have been nice to wake up and get $50,000," he says.

                      His family is from India, and he's worked hard to own those two 7-Elevens. The pizza delivery, then driving for a limo service, getting help from his parents to buy his first franchise, putting in the hours at the store.

                      Sonny says he had to explain to his employees that he really wasn't getting a bonus that could possibly be shared with them.

                      "They were wondering," says Sonny.

                      An association that represents independent grocers in this state says its 385 members "are pretty angry" about the end of bonuses.

                      "This happened right at the tail end of the last session. There was never a bill or any discussion," says Jan Gee, head of the Washington Food Industry Association. "It was one of those things they did behind closed doors."

                      The amorphous legislative staff decided it needed $12 million more from the lottery.

                      So gone were the big bonuses to stores, gone were commissions for selling jackpot tickets in the state Lotto and in Hit 5.

                      And decreased from 6 percent to 5 percent were commissions for selling tickets to individual state games, and decreased from 7 percent to 5 percent were commissions for selling tickets for multi-state games.

                      "It's discouraging when this happens," says Gee.

                      There weren't many big bonuses such as the $50,000 that would have been given to Sonny.

                      But when it happened, says Gee, "A small, family-owned type store could buy a new refrigeration unit, or a new oven for the bakery."

                      The Washington Lottery says it is planning to celebrate Sonny's 7-Eleven selling the winning $157 million ticket with a media event and some big signs for his store.

                      See, Sonny?

                      Win-win.

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                      It a shame the Washington Legislature decided to get rid of the bonuses , and reduce the money it give the retailers
                      for major win in the lottery for sale their ticket. All budget meeting are behind close doors. I don't care how much 
                      fat they cut from it . Now that it really watered down for the public. Everyone sitting there cut the budget up , are 
                      go to continue to receive a increase in salary. There will be no reducing their pay.
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                        Posted: April 8, 2016, 3:05 pm - IP Logged

                        I can tell you in texas they earn 5 cents for every dollar in commission and up to 1% with a cap of 1 million on the national and state jackpots.  No commissions on instant jackpots unless they are $1 million or more.  Pretty sure if that changes they can kiss it good bye.

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                          Posted: April 8, 2016, 3:29 pm - IP Logged

                          I agree, why should retailers get bonuses? Retailers should get commission on sales, but not anything for just selling a winning ticket. I only play by subscription, which raises more revenue, which is the reason for lotteries.

                          I also don't see why they should get a bonus. They get a comission on sales and traffic to their stores. Why should they be rewarded for somebody else spending money?

                          I play by subscription because I ran into one too many store clerks who act like printing a single lotto line is beneath them.

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                            Posted: April 12, 2016, 9:56 am - IP Logged

                            Why should they get a bonus?  It's incentive to sell/partake/push the games.  It's  a promise of a big jackpot for retailers too.  They have costs involved in selling lottery tickets also, and 5 cents of every dollar isn't exactly great, but it's a commission plus the promise of a payoff.  I don't mind, it doesn't come out of the winner's share.   I agree on the clerks - too many out there act like it's a bother to do the lottery.  If I saw that as store owner I'd not be a happy camper.  That's possible lost revenue.  Had a clerk tell me once - You know you can't win, right?  ugh.