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UK Lotto players furious over 5-number payout

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Bondi Junction
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Posted: March 24, 2016, 7:53 pm - IP Logged

'Teachable moment' for people who play multiples or patterns

Imagine beating the odds of 1 in 144,415 only to find out that your prize payout was just £15 (US$21). That's what thousands of UK Lotto players experienced Wednesday night.

National Lottery winners were left in anger last night after those who matched five numbers ended up with less money than people that matched only three.

Players with five winning numbers in Wednesday's Lotto draw ended up with just £15. This compared to £25 for people who matched three balls, and £51 for people who matched four.

The winning numbers were 7, 14, 21, 35, 41, 42, and the bonus ball was 43.

In UK Lotto, players choose 6 numbers from a pool of 59, making the odds of a 5-number match 1 in 144,415. The expected payout for matching five numbers is around £1,000 (US$1,413). In the previous Lotto drawing last Saturday night, the 5-number payout was £1,896 (US$2,679).

Lotto operator Camelot said it was an "extremely rare" set of winning numbers, five of which were multiples of seven. This set of numbers is a popular choice for players and pushed up the number of winners.

Lottery experts for years have been saying that playing patterns or multiples of numbers is a bad idea. Thousands of UK Lotto players learned that lesson the hard way last night.

Some 4,082 players matched five balls, sharing a winning pot that totalled just over £60,000.  Meanwhile 7,879 people who matched four numbers shared £401,829.

There were 114,232 winners with three numbers, who had access to a pot of £2,855,800.

Others questioned whether the National Lottery's prize fund structure needed reviewing, while some threatened to stop playing altogether.

Camelot said the number of people with five winning numbers was "around 80 times higher" than the usual 50 winners that would normally match five balls.

"It is a lottery at the end of the day, and the prizes people win are determined by the balls drawn and the number of people who match those numbers. As a result, extremely rare events like this do happen," said a spokesman.

No one took the jackpot, which means a top prize on Saturday of £28.2 million (US$40 million).

How the prizes work

  • On Lotto, the prizes for Match 2 and Match 3 are a fixed amount — a free Lucky Dip for Match 2 and £25 for Match 3. They are the only prizes on Lotto that are fixed.
  • Once the Match 2 and Match 3 prizes are paid out, the other prize tiers are allocated a certain percentage of the remaining prize pot.
  • The amount of money must be shared equally by the number of winners in each prize tier.
  • In the case of last night's draw, there was £61,230 available to be paid out to Match 5 winners. However, because there were an unprecedented 4,000-plus Match 5 winners — so around 80 times higher than the usual 50 or so winners that we would normally expect to see for the Match 5 prize tier — they had to share this amount of money.

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It is better to play by subscription. Megabucks Doubler is a Massachusetts state lottery which has a starting jackpot of about $500,000 which keeps on increasing until a winner emerges.

In this game, you have to choose 6 winning numbers from a set of 1 to 49. The cost for the one play is $1 and the results for it are held every Wednesday and Saturday.


Drawings Aired On: Wednesday 11:20 p.m. | Saturday 11:20 p.m.


Season Tickets for Megabucks Doubler game are available by calling 1 (800) 222-8587. You can subscribe from anywhere in the United States.

1 Year Season Ticket = $100
(104 drawings)

There is a $4 shipping charge. To avoid any fees or charges for card issuers, payment by debit card is recommended.

We all get a lot out of lotteries!

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    Jacksonville
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    Posted: March 24, 2016, 8:21 pm - IP Logged

    This happened in Florida on 8/28/2012 with Fantasy 5.  The normal payout for a single winner is about $200,000.  Odds of getting all 5 are 1 in 377,000.

    However, the winning numbers were:  1 3 5 7 9

    The prize for each of the 98 winners was $1,995

    If you pick common numbers, this is a risk you take.

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      Kentucky
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      Posted: March 24, 2016, 8:28 pm - IP Logged

      Others questioned whether the National Lottery's prize fund structure needed reviewing, while some threatened to stop playing altogether.

      If they want to question why that happened, they should check how many match 5 winning tickets were QPs. If a higher percentage than average were QPs, there should be some reviewing.


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        Posted: March 24, 2016, 10:28 pm - IP Logged

        Others questioned whether the National Lottery's prize fund structure needed reviewing, while some threatened to stop playing altogether.

        If they want to question why that happened, they should check how many match 5 winning tickets were QPs. If a higher percentage than average were QPs, there should be some reviewing.

        review what? probably no QP's. those were played by people who play lucky number patterns and multiples of them. people do it consciously and even subconsciously. they seldom come in of course but when they do this is what happens. most play QP's but these were card filler out pattern players no doubt. i'm sure some of them who won also played such combinations as 6 12 18 24 30 36 and 8 16 24 32 40 48 and of course the two big ones 1 2 3 4 5 6 and 5 10 15 20 25 30 which would pay less than this one did.

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          Posted: March 24, 2016, 11:25 pm - IP Logged

          myturn....

          I gotta believe MA lottery commission pays you every time you post their subscription info.

          Because that's all you ever seem to post.

          CAN'T WIN IF YOU'RE NOT IN

          A DOLLAR AND A DREAM (OR $2)


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            Posted: March 25, 2016, 12:04 am - IP Logged

            myturn....

            I gotta believe MA lottery commission pays you every time you post their subscription info.

            Because that's all you ever seem to post.

            he's half right. it's a good game to play when the jackpot reaches around 2m or higher. but by subscribing to a season ticket with slight fees you're stuck playing it too many times before it reaches an acceptable level. it takes forever to get up there and most savvy ma players just wait a few weeks before diving into this one.

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              Posted: March 25, 2016, 1:50 am - IP Logged

              "Others questioned whether the National Lottery's prize fund structure needed reviewing, while some threatened to stop playing altogether."

              Well, I think we already knew from the numbers they chose that a fair percentage of them aren't very bright. If they still felt that way after finding out that over 4000 other people also won calling them morons is an insult to regular morons.

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                Simpsonville
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                Posted: March 25, 2016, 8:25 am - IP Logged

                They use to deliver the season tickets via UPS and you had to pay for it.  Last couple of years @ least they used the USPS and no delivery charge.  Maybe because you live in Australia?   That would make sense.

                 

                American Express cards can no longer be used.

                 

                Now, back to the story...wonder how many LP members will play those numbers in MM or PB...am contemplating it.

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                  Posted: March 25, 2016, 9:05 am - IP Logged

                  At least in the UK, winners have the right to remain anonymous and prize money is tax-free.

                  We all get a lot out of lotteries!

                    Bondi Junction
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                    Posted: March 25, 2016, 9:14 am - IP Logged

                    myturn....

                    I gotta believe MA lottery commission pays you every time you post their subscription info.

                    Because that's all you ever seem to post.

                    No, I'm just a satisfied subscriber. I haven't won a jackpot yet, but I have won several small prizes. Also, I like how the lottery revenue is distributed across Massachusetts.

                    We all get a lot out of lotteries!

                      Bondi Junction
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                      Posted: March 25, 2016, 9:31 am - IP Logged

                      They use to deliver the season tickets via UPS and you had to pay for it.  Last couple of years @ least they used the USPS and no delivery charge.  Maybe because you live in Australia?   That would make sense.

                       

                      American Express cards can no longer be used.

                       

                      Now, back to the story...wonder how many LP members will play those numbers in MM or PB...am contemplating it.

                      It is better not to use credit card to purchase subscriptions, credit card issuers may impose additional charges. With debit cards, there would be no such charges.

                      We all get a lot out of lotteries!

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                        Simpsonville
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                        Posted: March 25, 2016, 10:23 am - IP Logged

                        That was a hit below the belt so to speak.  I too don't get kickbacks from my home state lottery (MA), but we can't help a good thing when we see it and take advantage of it.

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                          Posted: March 25, 2016, 12:06 pm - IP Logged

                          Exactly!  All the many thousands of winners can pose with pics of their checks for $8.27!!! LOL

                          They'll look like this guy . . . 

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                            Posted: March 25, 2016, 1:16 pm - IP Logged

                            Thud

                            ROTFLOL

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                              Posted: March 25, 2016, 11:29 pm - IP Logged

                              Similar thing with California's Fantasy Five a while back, Usually there's only one daily winner unless it rolls over. Five consecutive numbers were drawn ( I think it was 14, 15, 16, 17, 18). There were 29 winners...They got less than $2k each after taxes instead of the $70k+ full prize.